a tax return question

[uzbekcfa2]

hi guys,

didnt know where to open this thread.
i had a question regarding the tax return. A wife and a husband want to file jointly. The husband has w2, which he can put on the tax return. But the wife has been working part time for cash. she has worked as nanny, in cleaning services etc. In general, she has 5000 USD and wants to pay taxes on this amount. She has no papers from her jobs. But she wants to include her income in their jointly filed tax return.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!

[rosefire]

hi guys,

didnt know where to open this thread.
i had a question regarding the tax return. A wife and a husband want to file jointly. The husband has w2, which he can put on the tax return. But the wife has been working part time for cash. she has worked as nanny, in cleaning services etc. In general, she has 5000 USD and wants to pay taxes on this amount. She has no papers from her jobs. But she wants to include her income in their jointly filed tax return.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!
better not to include;) why she wants to pay tax on the cash she made? interesting?:rolleyes: anyways, she doesn't have docs from employer anyway to attach to tax return.

most people try to avoid paying tax, didn't know there are actually people who want to pay tax even on the cash they make
btw, I beleive she worked with SSN number right? maybe that's why?

sorry I am not help at all. 'll post here if I can find out smth

[uzbekcfa2]

she wants to pay taxes because she wants to get her green card.;)

[melo]

The IRS will not question if you put more income than you have documetnation for. Legally you are supposed to list all incomes on your tax return. What exactly was the question? I never saw one.

[lilbit]

she wants to pay taxes because she wants to get her green card.;)
she has to have a prove that she got the wage from her employer (check or anything that certifies it) and then in tax return form include this as an income and then tax will be deducted. If she is illegal in US, then first she has to contact with her immigration law representative.

Googler might help, but it's also a question of in what state she lives.

[UzLand]

She shouldn't do anything. This way they will get more tax return because the wife didn't work.

[lilbit]

She shouldn't anything. This way they will get more tax return because the wife didn't work.
Some people in US pay taxes! This girl wants to pay in order to get her documents and etc. $5000 will not make big difference in tax return. So let her pay :D)))).

S takimi grajdanami, zlostnimi nalogoNEplatel'shikami nas jdyot deistvitel'no velikoe budushee :D)))

[SmIlIk]

she has to have a prove that she got the wage from her employer (check or anything that certifies it) and then in tax return form include this as an income and then tax will be deducted. If she is illegal in US, then first she has to contact with her immigration law representative.

Googler might help, but it's also a question of in what state she lives.

Ask them to go to H&R block :) I don't think googler would know. One of the best people to know anything about taxes would be melo :)

If she goes to h&r block, they charge but they will do everything for them. Basically, she will have to pay more taxes because it is just an income from nowhere and not from known employer. But if this is being done for immigration purposes, it is worth it. She doesn't have to prove anything. Like melo said they will just put more income on their joint tax return.

SMLK

[Royal]

hi guys,

didnt know where to open this thread.
i had a question regarding the tax return. A wife and a husband want to file jointly. The husband has w2, which he can put on the tax return. But the wife has been working part time for cash. she has worked as nanny, in cleaning services etc. In general, she has 5000 USD and wants to pay taxes on this amount. She has no papers from her jobs. But she wants to include her income in their jointly filed tax return.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!

Do You have any dependencies ? like a child or parents here or papers shows that You send any money to UZB ???

[Frida]

Do You have any dependencies ? like a child or parents here or papers shows that You send any money to UZB ???

Royal aka, rostdan uyga pul yuborganini ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Masalan man money gram orqali yuboraman, internetda hamma transaction infolar bor, o'shani ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Birinchi marta eshitishim mumkinligini.

[SmIlIk]

Royal aka, rostdan uyga pul yuborganini ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Masalan man money gram orqali yuboraman, internetda hamma transaction infolar bor, o'shani ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Birinchi marta eshitishim mumkinligini.

Manimcha Royal sal boshqasha tushundila uzbekcfa2ning gaplarini. Real'niy income'dan uyga pul jo'natgan taqdiringizda ham unga tax to'laysiz. Basically, paycheckdan shundog'am undan oldin deduct qilib oladiku taxlarni. Unless you are an international student. International studentlardan ishi qaysidur soatdan oshmasa, tax deduct qilishga haqqi yo'q davlatni. Yoki Tax return bo'layotganda hammasini qaytarib berishi lozim.

Uyga pul wire qilish masalasida esa: qo'lingizda cash bor, shu cashni baribir bank accountga qo'yasiz. qo'ymasangiz xech kimni ishi yo'q, agar qo'yib IRSdan qo'rqayotgan bo'lsangiz, bu pul meniki emas edi, UZBga mana wire qilib yuborganaman, deyishingiz mumkin wassalom. IRS sizdan so'rasa, ko'rsatasiz taxt qilib...

[rosefire]

Unless you are an international student. International studentlardan ishi qaysidur soatdan oshmasa, tax deduct qilishga haqqi yo'q davlatni. Yoki Tax return bo'layotganda hammasini qaytarib berishi lozim.
..
shuni oqib bir savol esimga tushib ketdi. bir tanishim aytgandi agar international student bolsang, va SSN pentionga beneficiary bolmoqchimasman deyilib qanaqadir form toldirilsa, umuman tax deduct qilinmas ekan studentlardan. bu haqda eshitmaganmisizlar? pay ckeck dan Federal taxdan tortib all types of tax deduct qib qoladiku student bolishga qaramay.

[SmIlIk]

shuni oqib bir savol esimga tushib ketdi. bir tanishim aytgandi agar international student bolsang, va SSN pentionga beneficiary bolmoqchimasman deyilib qanaqadir form toldirilsa, umuman tax deduct qilinmas ekan studentlardan. bu haqda eshitmaganmisizlar? pay ckeck dan Federal taxdan tortib all types of tax deduct qib qoladiku student bolishga qaramay.

Qilmasligi kerak. SS office'ga qo'ng'iroq qilib, yoki borib bilib ko'ring. Hamma applicationlar va savollaringizga aniq javoblar shularda bo'ladi. Men on campus ishlaganimda borib employerim bilan gaplashganman bu borada. Ular taxlarni deduct qilib, ohirida o'zimga yana qaytarib berishlari kerak edi. Qayerga ketdi u check, bilmayman :)

P.S. Menimcha buning uchun siz on-campus ishlashingiz kerak. Yoki, off campus ishlash uchun permissioningiz bo'lishi kerak. Agarda off campus ishlayotgan bo'lsangiz, permission bo'lmasa unda menimcha buni qilib bo'lmaydi. On campus haftasiga 40 soatdan oshmasligi kerak edi, esimda boricha.

[Frida]

Manimcha Royal sal boshqasha tushundila uzbekcfa2ning gaplarini. Real'niy income'dan uyga pul jo'natgan taqdiringizda ham unga tax to'laysiz. Basically, paycheckdan shundog'am undan oldin deduct qilib oladiku taxlarni. Unless you are an international student. International studentlardan ishi qaysidur soatdan oshmasa, tax deduct qilishga haqqi yo'q davlatni. Yoki Tax return bo'layotganda hammasini qaytarib berishi lozim.

Uyga pul wire qilish masalasida esa: qo'lingizda cash bor, shu cashni baribir bank accountga qo'yasiz. qo'ymasangiz xech kimni ishi yo'q, agar qo'yib IRSdan qo'rqayotgan bo'lsangiz, bu pul meniki emas edi, UZBga mana wire qilib yuborganaman, deyishingiz mumkin wassalom. IRS sizdan so'rasa, ko'rsatasiz taxt qilib...

Yo'q, man o'ylagan edimki, agar uyga pul jo'natayotganimni ko'rsata olsam, olib qolgan naloglarni ba'zi qismini qaytarib berarmikin debman. Man international student bo'lganim bilan baribir nalog to'layman, chunki tuition boshqa balolarga universitetdan grant olganim va undan tashqari 20 soat ishlaganim uchun, ham federal ham shtatdan nalog ushlab qolsa kerak. nelegal ish qilmayman :) unaqa cash flow yo'q menda. :)

keyin bir marta so'ragan edim, nega mendan nalog olasizlar deb, o'shanda ular qanaqadir srokdan o'tgandan keyin (menimcha 3-4 yil) nalog baribir olinadi deyishgan edi. keyin qanaqadir social security ga olib qoladi. :( shu yerda pensiyaga chiqaman, shekilli. :D

[rosefire]

Qilmasligi kerak. SS office'ga qo'ng'iroq qilib, yoki borib bilib ko'ring. Hamma applicationlar va savollaringizga aniq javoblar shularda bo'ladi. Men on campus ishlaganimda borib employerim bilan gaplashganman bu borada. Ular taxlarni deduct qilib, ohirida o'zimga yana qaytarib berishlari kerak edi. Qayerga ketdi u check, bilmayman :)

P.S. Menimcha buning uchun siz on-campus ishlashingiz kerak. Yoki, off campus ishlash uchun permissioningiz bo'lishi kerak. Agarda off campus ishlayotgan bo'lsangiz, permission bo'lmasa unda menimcha buni qilib bo'lmaydi. On campus haftasiga 40 soatdan oshmasligi kerak edi, esimda boricha.
off campus job with permit lekin qolgan American citizenlardan qande tax deducti qilayotgan bolsa shunde deduct qilishyapti:twisted:

bir surishtirsam bolarkan rahmat:)

[SmIlIk]

Yo'q, man o'ylagan edimki, agar uyga pul jo'natayotganimni ko'rsata olsam, olib qolgan naloglarni ba'zi qismini qaytarib berarmikin debman. Man international student bo'lganim bilan baribir nalog to'layman, chunki tuition boshqa balolarga universitetdan grant olganim va undan tashqari 20 soat ishlaganim uchun, ham federal ham shtatdan nalog ushlab qolsa kerak. nelegal ish qilmayman :) unaqa cash flow yo'q menda. :)

keyin bir marta so'ragan edim, nega mendan nalog olasizlar deb, o'shanda ular qanaqadir srokdan o'tgandan keyin (menimcha 3-4 yil) nalog baribir olinadi deyishgan edi. keyin qanaqadir social security ga olib qoladi. :( shu yerda pensiyaga chiqaman, shekilli. :D

Siz yana bir bor surushtirib ko'ring. Necha yil bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar international studentlardan olmasligi kerak. Tem bolee 20 soatdan ko'p ishlamas ekansiz. Uyga jo'natiladigan pullar tax deductible bo'lmaydi. Lekin dependent'iz bo'lsa, deylik ayangiz siz bilan yashasalar siz ular uchun shuncha oyiga ketadi, desangiz. Ularning tax ulushuni qaytarib berishadi.

Royal boboni yana experience'larni manikidan ancha kattaku. O'zlarini javoblarini kutib qolamiz.

[Frida]

off campus job with permit lekin qolgan American citizenlardan qande tax deducti qilayotgan bolsa shunde deduct qilishyapti:twisted:

bir surishtirsam bolarkan rahmat:)

international students AQShda ishlasa va oylik olsa nalog to'laydi. bundan qochib qutala olmas ekanmiz. :D :(

[rosefire]

keyin bir marta so'ragan edim, nega mendan nalog olasizlar deb, o'shanda ular qanaqadir srokdan o'tgandan keyin (menimcha 3-4 yil) nalog baribir olinadi deyishgan edi. keyin qanaqadir social security ga olib qoladi. :( shu yerda pensiyaga chiqaman, shekilli. :D
men bechara srok progi haqida bilmagan ekanman. 1-on-campus jobdan boshlab mendan pul op qolishadi:crying:

ps: soddali qursin, otkan yili biz estimate qilgan tax return amountni hammasini qaytarmadi partial qaytarishdi nimadir sababga kora.

[melo]

I am not aware of any rules that allow you to deduct money sent to Uzbekistan from your taxable income. I also don't beleive you can consider people dependents if they are not living with you. That may be the what you are talking about though.

[SmIlIk]

Mana buni o'qib chiqinglar. Juda useful informationlar bor ekan. Fridaning ma'lum bir vaqtdan keyin, degan joylari ham aytib ketilgan ekan.

6. My friend told me I can file the form 1040EZ. Is that right?

As a foreign student, it is highly unlikely that you would file the 1040EZ. The reason is that the 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ are for individuals who are considered residents for tax purposes. Generally, F-1 and J-1 students are considered nonresidents for tax purposes, which means they file Form1040NR or in many cases, Form 1040NREZ.

7. I am a nonimmigrant, so I guess it makes sense that I'm a nonresident. Is that the way it works?

It is not that simple. It is possible to be a nonimmigrant for immigration purposes, yet be a resident for tax purposes.

8. How do I know what I am?

Generally, F-1 and J-1 students are considered nonresidents for tax purposes their first five years in the U.S. Most J-1 researchers and scholars are nonresidents for their first two calendar years in the U.S., unless they are being paid entirely by a foreign employer, in which case this would extend to four years.

9. What is the Substantial Presence Test?

The Substantial Presence Test is a formula the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) uses to determine when a nonimmigrant becomes a resident for tax purposes. J-1 researchers and scholars are subject to the substantial presence test after two years, and F-1 and J-1 students after five years. The formula is included as the last page of this handout.

10. I heard that F-1 and J-1 students are "exempt individuals." Does this mean we don't have to pay taxes?

No. The term "exempt individual" is used to differentiate individuals who must use the Substantial Presence Test to figure out their tax filing status from those who don't. It does not mean a person is exempt from filing the appropriate tax forms and making the required payment.

11. I am an F-1 student in the U.S. I have not worked here and my sole source of funding is my parents abroad. Do I have to pay taxes in the U.S.?

Although you would not have to pay taxes in the situation described, all F-1 and J-1 students and J-1 scholars and F-2 and J-2 dependents are required to file form 8843 with the IRS, even if you had no income in the U.S.

23. I have a Graduate Assistantship. Is this considered employment?

Yes. Normally, a G.A. is payment comprised of tuition remission and a stipend. Under the U.S. tax laws, the tuition remission component is nontaxable income. However, the amount received as stipend would be taxable. For example, if the award was for 18 points of tuition remission plus$9000, $9000 would be subject to taxation. The university should have sent you a 1099 income statement.

24. Do I have to pay the Social Security tax?

Social Security (FICA) tax withholding depends on whether you are a resident or nonresident for tax purposes. If you are a nonresident F-1 or J-1student or nonresident J-1 scholar, you do not have to pay FICA. It is also important to note that if you are a resident F-1 or J-1 student but are working on campus (in this case, at H.U.) you do not have to pay the FICA tax. However, if you work without authorization, FICA should be withheld from your paycheck.

25. Do I have to pay state and local taxes? If so, as a resident or nonresident?

Generally, you can assume that you will have to file state and local returns if you earned any income in the U.S. Unfortunately, the state and local tax agencies use the words "resident" and "nonresident" with different meaning than the federal government. Resident refers literally to where you reside. The ISS does not carry forms or publications for state or local tax information, but they can often be found in banks, post offices, and libraries.

http://www.howard.edu/currentstudents/studentlifeactivities/internationalstudentservices/taxes.htm

[Frida]

I am not aware of any rules that allow you to deduct money sent to Uzbekistan from your taxable income.

Melo, Smilik mentioned above that International students are exempt from paying taxes, is that right? I have been paying taxes since I got here. Last year, i even had to pay federal government some money after i did my tax return paper work. :( it was good that i got some return from state, but still sometimes it feels like i am being ripped off. but i guess same with everyone...

[SAMARKANDI!]

2007-2008 U.S. Master Tax Guide will definitely help.

You can play around with 5000 using different exemptions, exceptions, omissions from "above the line" regulations on joint tax return. This is from AGI, so she/he can spread the amount easily, its not big. Many many ways in other words, if she/he really wants to include it. Also matters, if they have children, their health, age etc. Important that the employer is aware (since there was no documentation) that they r including it, just in case, although I doubt that IRS would audit them.

Its strange though they want to include the sum if there is no trace to it. How could paying taxes on 5000 help to obtain GC?

[Frida]

in my previous post i wrote federal tax, now i am not sure if it is correct. anyhow, one of those two types of taxes.

[melo]

Melo, Smilik mentioned above that International students are exempt from paying taxes, is that right? I have been paying taxes since I got here. Last year, i even had to pay federal government some money after i did my tax return paper work. :( it was good that i got some return from state, but still sometimes it feels like i am being ripped off. but i guess same with everyone...

Sorry you need to pay taxes. :(

[Frida]

Sorry you need to pay taxes. :(

what was that saying: you cannot avoid taxes and death. :D

the weird thing is that i pay taxes at home, tash, too. sucks...

[SmIlIk]

what was that saying: you cannot avoid taxes and death. :D

the weird thing is that i pay taxes at home, tash, too. sucks...

In any case it is pain in some place to make them go back and re-check everything. Our good friend filed his taxes by himself couple of years back and somehow he screwed something up. He didn't get a single penny and they are still checking what happened. He has 3 kids and a wife. So, go figure. :)

[SAMARKANDI!]

Sorry you need to pay taxes. :(

Actually U.S. constitution says that "Income Tax" should be voluntary :) (Income is paid off by work already)
Federal Reserve which is privately held organization lobbied the congress to pass "statutes" to make it mandatory :D (That is why IRS loses most court cases to individuals:))

Moreover, I would rather not pay taxes as an inter. student at all, since I am not getting any SS benefits, unemployment benefits ...etc I dont even get to vote :lol:

[Frida]

In any case it is pain in some place to make them go back and re-check everything. Our good friend filed his taxes by himself couple of years back and somehow he screwed something up. He didn't get a single penny and they are still checking what happened. He has 3 kids and a wife. So, go figure. :)

oh, i use Turbo Tax. It is quite good, only thing I have to do is to enter my w-2, that's all. no headache

[melo]

Actually U.S. constitution says that "Income Tax" should be voluntary :) (Income is paid off by work already)
Federal Reserve which is privately held organization lobbied the congress to pass "statutes" to make it mandatory :D (That is why IRS loses most court cases to individuals:))

Moreover, I would rather not pay taxes as an inter. student at all, since I am not getting any SS benefits, unemployment benefits ...etc I dont even get to vote :lol:

Federal and state income tax does not pay for social security or unemployment. Those are employment taxes. Federal and state income ta pays for the univerities infrastructure, government, military, etc

[melo]

what was that saying: you cannot avoid taxes and death. :D

the weird thing is that i pay taxes at home, tash, too. sucks...

You need to check into the taxes you pay at home. I think you may beable to decuct that from whatever you pay here. What exactly are you paying tax for there???? :shock:

[SAMARKANDI!]

Federal and state income tax does not pay for social security or unemployment. Those are employment taxes. Federal and state income ta pays for the univerities infrastructure, government, military, etc

In this case melo has to call IRS and find out how exactly feds spend those taxes :D

[melo]

In this case melo has to call IRS and find out how exactly feds spend those taxes :D

On your pay stub it will list FICA which is OASDI and Medicare. OASDI is social security. Your employer is paying unemployment tax to the state and federal government. These are not state or federal income taxes. Also unless you are a US resident or citizen you should not be paying FICA.

[SAMARKANDI!]

On your pay stub it will list FICA which is OASDI and Medicare. OASDI is social security. Your employer is paying unemployment tax to the state and federal government. These are not state or federal income taxes. Also unless you are a US resident or citizen you should not be paying FICA.

To make it short. Once federal, state, employment, corporate, s, c, ......business taxes are collected they are used to pay debt owed by U.S. gov to the "Federal" reserve which in turn gives loans/federal funds to be used into SS, unemployment, military, melo's University...etc i.e. all money goes into one hole (bankers cartel) which they meaning fed reserve and gov like to classify FICA, SS, FUTA, SUTA, tatata :D

p.s. I think it was my own tax instructor (who was IRS agent) tried to help me understand this :D

[freak]

Nalog olish yoki olmaslik mamlakatlar aro nalogoviy dogovoryonnostga ham bog’liq. Esimda bor men on-campus ishga application topshirayotganimda accounting departmentda bir ayol mendan so’ragan edi Amerika bilan O’zbekiston o’rtasida Tax treaty bormi deb. Keyin qidirib ko’rgan edi, unaqa dogovoryonnost yo’q ekan. Agar dogovoryonnost bo’lganida nima privelegiya berar edi deb so’raganimda, International studentlar va traineelarga necha ming dollargacha (esimda yo’q aniq summa) olgan income tax deductible deb aytgan edi. Agar income limitdan oshsa keyin dogovoryonnostda kelishilgan holda federal va state income tax charge qilinilar ekan.

[Royal]

Royal aka, rostdan uyga pul yuborganini ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Masalan man money gram orqali yuboraman, internetda hamma transaction infolar bor, o'shani ko'rsatsa bo'ladimi? Birinchi marta eshitishim mumkinligini.

shu joyini buhgalterdan/accountingdan konsultatsiya/maslhat olish keray...

lekin bir eshitganimda mumkin degandi bi tanishga....

chunki dependency, yani "boqindi"lariga ajratilgan pul,
agar farzandila bolsa ulargayam oyiga 800-dan 1200gacham pul ajratishila mumkin "petty cash" - babysitter expences dip, buni uchun birorta ishlamiyotgan lekin SS#si bor odam bilan gaplashsa boladi..4-5somga...keliship.

[uzbekcfa2]

Rahmat hammangizga!

shuncha infoni qarab keyin yana savol busa yozaman.

sog bulilar

[melo]

To make it short. Once federal, state, employment, corporate, s, c, ......business taxes are collected they are used to pay debt owed by U.S. gov to the "Federal" reserve which in turn gives loans/federal funds to be used into SS, unemployment, military, melo's University...etc i.e. all money goes into one hole (bankers cartel) which they meaning fed reserve and gov like to classify FICA, SS, FUTA, SUTA, tatata :D

p.s. I think it was my own tax instructor (who was IRS agent) tried to help me understand this :D


Why would they break these things out seperate in employer payroll taxes? Why not just have one line tax? Also then how can they determine who is exempt from certain taxes???? It may be possible that income taxes may be used to supplement these programs, but there is some reason why they are collected seperately. Also the federal taxes and state taxes are collected by different entities and many states do not even have state income taxes. Also there are local government taxes and property taxes. I really don't believe this all goes to one pool. State and local taxe definitley do not go to the federal government in any way.

[Googler]

i had a question regarding the tax return. A wife and a husband want to file jointly. The husband has w2, which he can put on the tax return. But the wife has been working part time for cash. she has worked as nanny, in cleaning services etc. In general, she has 5000 USD and wants to pay taxes on this amount. She has no papers from her jobs. But she wants to include her income in their jointly filed tax return.


Если жена работала на кэш, то она скорее всего платит self-employed taxes и может рассчитывать на определенные returns . Вот тут официальная информация о них:
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10022.html
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98846,00.html

Я еще где-то читал, что если ваш годовой доход 7800 USD or less, то вы не платите taxes. Если жена за fiscal year заработала 5000 как Вы пишите, в таком случае, она может файлить married paying taxes separately.

Только осторожно слушайте советы по интернету. Здесь мы не специалисты во всех областях и можем дать неправильные советы.
Поэтому, было бы логично, если эта семья проконсультируется с tax adviser.