Who should keep the engagement ring?

[gulamus]

Hi everyone,

Topic: You gave the ring to the woman you like or love with intention to marry, basically it is engagement ring. After a while you find out that it is not going to work, all that marriage thing is just not for you or you are not a marriage material (friends TV show)... Briefly, you break up.
Now, the ring you gave to a perspective wife is really expansive lets assume from 10-20 thousands dollars.
And here we go: Who should keep the ring? A guy or a woman?
Note: Tell the reason why? and don't just state one of them, please...

with respect
GA

[StU]

devushka dolzhna vernut kolco tolko po svoey initiative. I nikak inache. Esli devushka otkazalas to ona sama otdast kolco, a esli paren to ona b principe ne obyazana. Esli sovest est otdast, esli net, to ne nado nastaivat. (stoimost tut ne imeet znacheniya - ranshe dumat nado bilo).

[gulamus]

A esli Devushke kolco slishkom silno nravitsa?

[PainKiller]

voobshe-to ob etom est' zakon. Engagement ring po zakonu nuzhno vozvrashat'.
Da i bez zakona, ego tebe dali dumaya chto na tebe jenyatsya, i esli jenit'ba ne sostoyalas' to i kol'co nuzhno vernut'.

[Zagadochnaya]

I gave it back and I think it was the right thing to do!

The ring belongs to him!!!!!!

[Monic]

StU vishe skazala pravilno, eto zavisit ot togo chya iniciativa razmolvki, Jeniha-to devushka tolko esli zahochet vernet-Mujchina ne doljen daje nadeyatsya na vozvrat kolca

A esli uj Devushka peredumala, nu konechnoje luchshego znaka otkaza ne bivaet-Vozvrat pomolvochnogo kolechka.

[StU]

Samoe glavnoe - chtob paren ne potreboval sam kolco nazad - eto budet samiy nizkiy postupok kakoy sebe mojno predstavit so storoni muzhchini.

Esli bi paren peredumal i poprosil obratno kolco, ya bi ne prosto vernula - a zasunula bi emu v odno mesto :evil:.

Esli devushka normalnaya- sama otdast kolco.

I voobshe - 7 raz otmer odin raz otrezh

[Demir Kağan]

Hi everyone,

Topic: You gave the ring to the woman you like or love with intention to marry, basically it is engagement ring. After a while you find out that it is not going to work, all that marriage thing is just not for you or you are not a marriage material (friends TV show)... Briefly, you break up.
Now, the ring you gave to a perspective wife is really expansive lets assume from 10-20 thousands dollars.
And here we go: Who should keep the ring? A guy or a woman?
Note: Tell the reason why? and don't just state one of them, please...

with respect
GA

Taking the ring back is impolitely. In the beginning, you think the woman is worth to that ring but in the end you think she is not and this is disrespecting to her.

[Monic]

Agarda yigit kishi unashgandan sung, rad javobini bersa, man usha uzuginiyamu boshqa ashqal-dashqallariiyam olib kuzini oldida yo biron oqar suvga, yo biron ahlatga tashlab yuborardim.

Chunki aslini olib qaraganda, uzbekchilikda, unashtirilib ajrashgan qizga keyin sovchi kelishi qiyinda:).
Boplab adabini berardim shunaqa qilib:lol:

[Shambles]

Da zabyt' nado pro kol'tso i rastsenivat' eto kak malen'kiy vznos za to, chto sud'ba ne ugorazdila jenit'sya tebya na toy, kot. tebe ne podhodila... As simple as that...

[StU]

Da zabyt' nado pro kol'tso i rastsenivat' eto kak malen'kiy vznos za to, chto sud'ba ne ugorazdila jenit'sya tebya na toy, kot. tebe ne podhodila... As simple as that...

vay yashavor, Vasiliy! :cool:

[Frida]

Hi everyone,

Topic: You gave the ring to the woman you like or love with intention to marry, basically it is engagement ring. After a while you find out that it is not going to work, all that marriage thing is just not for you or you are not a marriage material (friends TV show)... Briefly, you break up.
Now, the ring you gave to a perspective wife is really expansive lets assume from 10-20 thousands dollars.
And here we go: Who should keep the ring? A guy or a woman?
Note: Tell the reason why? and don't just state one of them, please...

with respect
GA

she is suppose to return it. i think if she broke up with you, then you have a right to ask her to return the ring. if you broke up with her, then i do not know, she might not return it, just to make you feel bad. women... :)

[Charmed]

Vo pervih, nujno vnachale horoshenko podumat' pered tem kak darit takie kol'tsa Kakim bi dorogim etot podarok ne bil esli paren' sam reshaet rasstatsa devushka doljna sama vernut, esli net to net zabudte ob etom. esli devushka sama reshit rasstatsa to skoree sama vernet IMHO obeih sluchayah paren ne doljen sprashivat svoy podarok obratno podumayte on eto pokupal dlya neyo a ne dlya drugoy oni rasstayutsa ne dumayu chto ono prineset komu to schast'e.. Zdes' uje delo sovesti kajdogo cheloveka

[melo]

A $10-20,000 ring???? You are a sucker in the first place. :lol: If you have to spend that much you are probably trying to make up for something and failure is probably inevitable.

[gulamus]

So far two theories:

1. Woman should give it back, because nothing worked out between them.
2. Depends on who did break up? If man then woman keeps it, if a woman then man should take it...

The question is what is the status of the ring? Conditional gift or just a gift??? Should we look at the intent? Does the outcome changes if it is just a gift?

regards
GA

[uzbekcfa2]

legally one has all the right to get it back...i never seen and heard here or in uzbekistan that bride would keep the ring if it didnt work out.

first of all, the girl should give it back by her own will. i just dont understand...she knows it didnt work out and she wants to keep it because she likes it. :lol:

I guess, you are not talkin about yourself...but if you are...think about it...10k-20k is almost a brand new car. you may just close your eyes, like some say here...but im sure in real life they wouldnt:lol:

just do whatever you think is right to do...after all, even if you get it back, the general idea would be: he is lawfully entitled to the ring, so he got it back. no matter whether you asked or she gave it back.

[Maroon]

How can you ask something back which was basically a gift.

Is it $1 or $100.000

If you can afford a $10.000 ring, I doubt you'll die out of hunger.

[fidis]

WhAAAAT?!?!?!?!

10-20 K for a f***ing engagement ring?!?!?! Damn people must be pumping oil in their garden.

If you gave it, you suck big time!

If you received it, don't give it back!

Thought: Damn...why I am not a woman...There are so many losers on this planet.

[Samimiy]

How can you ask something back which was basically a gift.

Is it $1 or $100.000

If you can afford a $10.000 ring, I doubt you'll die out of hunger.

An engagement ring is by definition not a gift. Any other ring or any other piece of jewelry would be a gift, but an engagement ring is not.

Contrary to what some people have suggested, I don't think there's a law that says the girl should return the ring if the couple breaks up.

Whether the ring should be returned depends on the circumstances. First consider the case when one of the parties calls off the engagement without a legitimate reason (say they just had a change of heart or got cold feet). In that case, if the girl dumps the guy, then she should absolutely return the ring. This ensures that she didn't accept the ring to keep it (and not the guy) in the first place. Especially if the ring is an expensive one :) On the other hand, if the guy dumps her, the she gets to keep the ring, if she wishes. This at least partially compensates her for the emotional distress.

Next, consider when the engagement is called off because of a legitimate, unforeseen circumstance. For example the girl catches him cheating or one of them has AIDS, etc. In that case, the innocent party keeps the ring. For example, if the girl finds out that the guy is cheating on her, then she can dump him and keep the ring. Or if the guy finds out that she had been lying to him, then he can dump her and demand the ring.

That's the long answer. The short answer is: it depends! :D

[Maroon]

WhAAAAT?!?!?!?!

10-20 K for a f***ing engagement ring?!?!?! Damn people must be pumping oil in their garden.

If you gave it, you suck big time!

If you received it, don't give it back!

Thought: Damn...why I am not a woman...There are so many losers on this planet.

Oh please. People get engagement rings for 50.000 as well. Go to Van Cleef and Arpels, Graff and etc, you'll see what kind of prices even the smallest thing has.

If a person has millions or billions, why not? If I were a man and had millions, I would by my lady an engagement ring for even more.

Znachit Ferrari pokupat kruto, a kolco za 10.000 eto "uncool"?

Puh-pls.

[Maroon]

An engagement ring is by definition not a gift. Any other ring or any other piece of jewelry would be a gift, but an engagement ring is not.



I said "basically", and plus once you give it to her, why bother and ask it back. It is gonna lose its value anyway and would be weird and stupid IMO to give it to someone else.

I personally don't care what others would do. I would keep mine, pust palec sebe soset.:lol:

[melo]

I said "basically", and plus once you give it to her, why bother and ask it back. It is gonna lose its value anyway and would be weird and stupid IMO to give it to someone else.

I personally don't care what others would do. I would keep mine, pust palec sebe soset.:lol:


This is the exact reason why you should never spend $10-20k on a ring. :shock: I agree aking for it back is kind of lame. What are you going to do with it anyways?

[fidis]

Oh please. People get engagement rings for 50.000 as well. Go to Van Cleef and Arpels, Graff and etc, you'll see what kind of prices even the smallest thing has.

If a person has millions or billions, why not? If I were a man and had millions, I would by my lady an engagement ring for even more.

Znachit Ferrari pokupat kruto, a kolco za 10.000 eto "uncool"?

Puh-pls.

damn, you sound like a real landlady...i am not saying it uncool. actually exactly the opposite. it is cool to receive such gifts. but i personally would not give such an expensive engagement ring.
btw, i am not shocked if some Arab sheikh or european industrialist makes large presents and etc.

could be a lesson for other losers big time.

I just haven't heard of any Uzbek who has done or received such an engagement ring.

of course, if i understood the question above right. any uzbeks involved? if yes, i think it could be a good article for darakchi. you should contact the journalist guy who works for that paper. he appears here from time to time.

[Maroon]

This s the exact reason why you should never spend $10-20k on a ring. :shock: I agree aking for it back is kind of lame. What are you going to do with it anyways?

If you had 500.000000 bucks in your account, and you and your wife have some kind of anniversarry and she somehow mentioned a ring she liked at Tiffany's which costs like 20k, would not you get it for her?

[StU]

interesno, on etu temu otkril chtob uznat kak vernut kolco, ili prosto chtob vsem soobshit naskolko dorogoe kolco podaril :lol:

[uzbekcfa2]

If you had 500.000000 bucks in your account, and you and your wife have some kind of anniversarry and she somehow mentioned a ring she liked at Tiffany's which costs like 20k, would not you get it for her?

the question is does he make 500.0000000 for a living? i guess, not. if he would, he wouldnt sit on forum.
besides, you are saying for a wife...if you would be that rich, you should not regret even if you buy a private jet for her. but here it's about someone who is completely stranger to you.

on: just do whatever you think is right to do. if you can ignore the ring, do so. if not, you know better. Dont rely on the opinions of forum users, use your own brain.

[fidis]

Landlady, a person that earns so much money, would not ask this kind of question in the first place.

[Samimiy]

interesno, on etu temu otkril chtob uznat kak vernut kolco, ili prosto chtob vsem soobshit naskolko dorogoe kolco podaril :lol:

Ya dumayu oni diskutiruyut v odnom iz predmetov v Law School :) Family law or something like that :)

I said "basically", and plus once you give it to her, why bother and ask it back. It is gonna lose its value anyway and would be weird and stupid IMO to give it to someone else.

I personally don't care what others would do. I would keep mine, pust palec sebe soset.:lol:

Well, it's not just a matter of money. An engagement ring symbolizes love and life-long commitment. So if the girl does not love the guy any more and want to make that commitment, then it's only appropriate that she returns the ring.

[uzbekcfa2]

actually, very interesting topic.

if it really happened in real life, let us know of the ending result. interesting to know:)

[Maroon]

Fidis and uzbekcfa


I said IF. I ain't saying he makes 500.000000. Can you READ before writing.

No one is claiming anything.

OMG.

Ensalarim qotib ketdi. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Maroon]

Well, it's not just a matter of money. An engagement ring symbolizes love and life-long commitment. So if the girl does not love the guy any more and want to make that commitment, then it's only appropriate that she returns the ring.


Like I once said to my childhood friend. "Throw up all the food you ate in my house, you understand stupid?!" I was like 5 I think.

So, next time if an engament breaks off tell her to pay you back for the dinners when you invited her. IF you of course invited her. Shas mne kajetsya naobarot. Alfonsov do figa stalo. :lol: :rolleyes:

[Samimiy]

Like I once said to my childhood friend. "Throw up all the food you ate in my house, you understand stupid?!" I was like 5 I think.

So, next time if an engament breaks off tell her to pay you back for the dinners when you invited her. IF you of course invited her. Shas mne kajetsya naobarot. Alfonsov do figa stalo. :lol: :rolleyes:

LOOOL :D I give up!

[Maroon]

LOOOL :D I give up!

Eto vi tipa : " S durakami ne sporyat." Da? :lool:

[melo]

If you had 500.000000 bucks in your account, and you and your wife have some kind of anniversarry and she somehow mentioned a ring she liked at Tiffany's which costs like 20k, would not you get it for her?


Do you really want to point how cheap I am? :P And the answer is probably no.

[gulamus]

NOTE: It is not about me people, do not mess...

Samimiy is close because he knows property.

Anyway, so is this a property? Does it belong to the woman after she takes it?
Usually if it is a gift you can take it back, right? Assume somebody gave you a car for your 25th birthday... Are you going to give/ask it back? And woman if woman decides to keep the car? How are you going to solve that...

Landlady mentioned one good point, if she returns the ring then does he (a man) eligible to ask all what he spend on her after giving the ring? as now he thinks that he is going to marry her anyway... As a woman are you going to pay him back? Is it fair?

to eh Samimiy's point: If you are a person (arbitrator) who decides the outcome how do you know or may possibly know who break up first? If you dont know that can you judge?

ragards,
GA
PS: again it is not about me, ok, I think it is one of those educational and more to discuss threads...

[Zagadochnaya]

а разве цена кольца имеет значение? важен сам шаг и решение, из-за которого он подарил это кольцо ей... я считаю, что не важно сколько стоит кольцо, каждый делает подарки в меру своих возможностей!!!

[lilbit]

woman of course! there is no way I can imagine a male to ask the ring or any gift back.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Do you really want to point how cheap I am? :P And the answer is probably no.

BTW, question arises :D, If not-for-profit, or nonprofit if u will, organization relieves donation from a donor, and lets say it falls into restricted section of the organization's funds/assets, can the donor ask his/her donation back? while the organization is using it strictly on the donor's restricted terms.

ON: I think ring should be kept where it is as a compensation for emotional distress and wasted time :D. Or if a holder decides not to keep it, it should be thrown right back at the original owner :D or simply mailed to me :D

p.s. Back to offtop I think Andersen people shouldnt work for the nonprofits, they have a tendency to bring organizations to billion dollar scandals. Joke :lol: (I think Andersens had some offshore accounts in central aisa too :D)

[Glance]

Hamma etgande qiz uzukni qaytarishi kerak. Ajralishga nima sabab bo'lishidan qat'i nazar. Lekin erkak kishi shu uzukni qaytarib ber desa, eng pastni-pasi bo'lgan bo'ladi. Bunaqa odamga turmushga chiqmagani uchun Allohga million bor shukur qilsin o'sha qiz. :)

[uzbekcfa2]

hali educational edi deng?:D

just tell your professor: it depends on nationality. If they are uzbeks, uzbek guys won't ask for it, unless the girl turns in herself. If they are americans(which is in your case), the guy would ask immediately and besides, an average american wouldnt buy 20k engagement ring. cheap bastids!

one of my groupmates told this story in front of whole auditorium. her boyfriend gave her a threestone ring to her. And as you know, three stones stand for: past, present and future. But when he gave it to her he said: one stone is me, another is you and the last one is our future kid. She said "I got scared. He is mentioing to me about kids before we get married, so I dumped him"...everybody laughed but me. Cuz it wasn't really funny to me. :rolleyes: