NDE - Near Death Experience. Life after Death.

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A very resourceful website dedicated to NDEs for those interested.

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html#a2

Evidence for Survival After Death Index

(1) NDEs occur while patients are brain dead.
(2) Out-of-body perception during NDEs has been verified.
(3) People born blind can see during an NDE.
(4) NDEs demonstrate the return of consciousness from death.
(5) The NDE study by Raymond Moody has been replicated.
(6) Experimental evidence suggests that NDEs are real.
(7) NDEs can be considered to be an objective experience.
(8) NDEs have been validated in scientific studies.
(9) Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) have been validated in scientific studies.
...
Scientific Evidence for Survival
Of consciousness after death (http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html#a2)

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Here's an interesting chapter.

14) The brain's connection to a greater power has been validated by indisputable scientific facts.

Dr. Melvin Morse (http://www.melvinmorse.com/)is an Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Washington. He has studied near-death experiences in children for over 15 years and is the author of several outstanding books on the subject. Dr. Morse argues that the study of NDEs provides a starting point for understanding the mysterious link between our brains and the universe. Though sound scientific studies have already identified the existence of "the God Spot (http://www.parascope.com/articles/slips/fs22_3.htm)" - the right temporal lobe of the brain - Morse takes this concept several steps further. Building on the controversial theory that memory may actually be stored outside the brain, he suggests that the right temporal lobe acts not as a "computer" for our individual minds, but as a transmitter and receiver of the universal mind - and that we can actually learn to stimulate this part of our brains in a number of ways besides near-death or active dying. Dr. Morse claims the following scientific facts validate the brain's connection to a higher power:

(1) Memories can exist outside of the brain (Holonomic Brain Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holonomic_brain)).

(2) Scientific evidence exists supporting reincarnation (Dr. Ian Stevenson's research (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html)).

(3) Anecdotal evidence supports the theory that people exist after death in some form of energy (NDE of Pam Reynolds (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html)).

(4) People can exhibit supernatural powers (Joseph McMonagle and Remote Viewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McMoneagle)).

(5) Right temporal lobe activity verifies the reality of the brain's connection to a higher power (The Right Temporal Lobe and Associated Limbic Lobe Structures as the Biological Interface with an Interconnected Universe (http://www.melvinmorse.com/e-tlp.htm)).

(6) The mind/brain can be induced to have paranormal experiences (Trigger of Brain Stimulation (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers07.html)).

(7) Consciousness research is able to support the reality of an unseen power (Dr. Gary Schwartz HBO Study (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eneardeath/paranormal/001_pages/012.htm) and Dr. Dean Radin and the Global Consciousness Project (http://noosphere.princeton.edu/)).

[Delf]

Life after death is the same oxymoron as whiteness of blackness.
The very definition of death is termination of life.

Delf.

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Life after death is the same oxymoron as whiteness of blackness.
The very definition of death is termination of life.

Delf.

From materialistic point of view -yes, materialistic body dies. However Out-of-body perception during NDEs has been verified. These verified facts can not be explained other than the fact that human consciousness lives out of body.

Dr. Bruce Greyson (http://www.parapsych.org/members/c_b_greyson.html) documented perhaps one of the most compelling examples of a person who had a NDE and observed events while outside of his body which were later verified by others. The only way that these events could have been observed by the experiencer was if in fact he was outside of his body. Al Sullivan was a 55 year old truck driver who was undergoing triple by-pass surgery when he had a powerful NDE that included an encounter with his deceased mother and brother-in-law, who told Al to go back to his to tell one of his neighbors that their son with lymphoma will be OK. Furthermore, during the NDE, Al accurately noticed that the surgeon operating on him was flapping his arms in an unusual fashion, with his hands in his armpits. When he came back to his body after the surgery was over, the surgeon was startled that Al could describe his own arm flapping, which was his idiosyncratic method of keeping his hands sterile.

Addressing the frequent rejoinder that such events can be accounted for as hallucinations, Dr. Greyson notes that if NDEs are hallucinations, then how is it that such incredibly accurate and verifiable information is resulting from the NDEs? People on drugs who have NDEs see fewer deceased relatives when they travel out of body. This suggests that people who do see relatives are clear-minded, not hallucinating. In some cases of children, they see dead relatives whom they had never met or seen pictures of. This begs the following question: How could they hallucinate accurately the visual images of someone they have never met? When assessing the surmounting data as a whole, Greyson said that the survival hypothesis is the most parsimonious explanation for the growing database of NDEs.

The author Maggie Callanan (http://www.nhphc.org/maggiebio.html) in her 1993 book, Final Gifts (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553378767/ref=nosim/neardeathexpe-20), wrote about an elderly Chinese woman who had an NDE in which she saw her deceased husband and her sister. She was puzzled since her sister wasn't dead, or so she thought. In actuality, her family had hid her sister's recent death from her for fear of upsetting her already fragile health.

On Dec. 9, 2001, Ananova News reported: "Study Proves the Soul Exists (http://neardeath.home.comcast.net/religion/001_pages/03.html)" concerning the NDE study by Dr. Pim van Lommel (http://www.iands.org/dutch_study.html) published in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet providing verified evidence of out-of-body perception. Then on Jan. 8, 2002, ABC News reported "Brushes With Death: Scientists Validate Near-Death Experiences (http://neardeath.home.comcast.net/nde/001_pages/22.html)" about the same study. Dr. Michael Sabom (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html), an Atlanta cardiologist, found that 43% of cardiac arrest patients had NDEs. Patients with long complicated resuscitations were more likely to have NDEs. He also found that patients who had NDEs frequently could accurately describe their own resuscitation in detail. In contrast, control group of patients who had cardiac arrests but no NDEs could not describe their own resuscitation with any accuracy.

Sources:
(a) "People See Verified Events While Out-Of-Body" http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html
(b) "Brushes With Death: Scientists Validate Near-Death Experiences", ABC News http://neardeath.home.comcast.net/nde/001_pages/22.html
(c) "Study Proves the Soul Exists", Ananova News http://neardeath.home.comcast.net/religion/001_pages/03.html
(d) "Survival of Bodily Death", Bruce Greyson http://neardeath.home.comcast.net/nde/001_pages/80.html
(e) "Near-Death Studies: An Overview," by Kenneth Ring, Chapter 1, pg 10, published in "The Near-Death Experience, Problems, Prospects, Perspectives," Eds. Bruce Greyson, M.D., Charles P. Flynn, Ph.D., Charles C. Thomas, Publisher, Springfield, III. (1984).
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0398050082 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0398050082/ref=nosim/neardeathexpe-20)

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Jizn_posle_smerti.avi

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Jizn_posle_smerti.avi (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2598438725282607983)

Islom din ta'limotiga muwofiq emas. Hich kim borib songra qaytib kelolmaydi...bekor gap...kazzobchilik

[Vector]

Islom din ta'limotiga muwofiq emas. Hich kim borib songra qaytib kelolmaydi...bekor gap...kazzobchilik

nimaga asoslanib shu hulosaga keldiz? bilsak boladimi? :)

[bobsled710]

Кто нибудь проходил операцию под полным наркозом? Может это похоже.

А насчет зоны в мозгах которая за Бога отвечает, то совершенно случайно сегодня в экономисте прочитал статью о том как религия отражается в мозгах. Религия, вера в богах, приводит к изменениям во всех частях мозгов, и не только в этой зоне.

http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10903480&top_story=1

И вкратце, вывод такой, что вера в бога приносит пользу не только самим верующим, но и тем кто рядом.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

nimaga asoslanib shu hulosaga keldiz? bilsak boladimi? :)

Bilasiz, Olim farishtasi mah deb kursatib qaytarib yubormaydi...kishi oladi, songra orqaga qaytish yuq...bir kovlashtirib ma'lumot toparman...

[Delf]

Djigit, please define terms life and death.

As far as I understand death IS the termination life. Otherwise organism is just not dead yet. It is still living. Sure, it may stay frozen or hibernate for many years, but it is still living.

There is another point though: coming back from dead. It would be interesting to know how coming back from dead is classified. There are medical standards for declaring a human dead (which have evolved over time, btw), but how do those standards apply to other organisms, especially viruses and bacteria.

Delf.

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Djigit, please define terms life and death.

As far as I understand death IS the termination life. Otherwise organism is just not dead yet. It is still living. Sure, it may stay frozen or hibernate for many years, but it is still living.

There is another point though: coming back from dead. It would be interesting to know how coming back from dead is classified. There are medical standards for declaring a human dead (which have evolved over time, btw), but how do those standards apply to other organisms, especially viruses and bacteria.

Delf.

You are absolutely wrong. Here's why you are wrong: Frozen cells DO not remain live, since the process of freezing does not maintain life but preserves chemical structures only. IF humanity would be able to freeze living organisms and their lives, then it would be the BIGGEST breakthrough in human history. Humanity would be able then to extend one's life by freezing body for an indefinite time until the cure is found. But it is only in movies. The Reality is that freezing destroys life but preserves chemicals compounds.

The classification and standards of declaring someone dead are already well known in medicine. Near death Experiences happen when they meet those standards, that is total heart stop, no oxygen flow to brain for more than 5 minutes which is by medical standards is declaration of death.

These standards are well described in the website and movie posted above, take some time to know them ,Delf.

[Delf]

Frozen cells DO not remain live, since the process of freezing does not maintain life but preserves chemical structures only.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27jul99_1.htm
... a vial of growing moss that remained alive yet dormant while frozen for 40,000 years in the permafrost of the Kolyma Lowlands of Beringia in northeastern Siberia

I guess, I am right, don't you think so?


Delf.

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http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27jul99_1.htm


I guess, I am right, don't you think so?


Delf.

:shock:

You compare a plant with human or animal? Is there a SINGLE animal or human being that has been cryopreserved (frozen) for a long period of time and then reanimated by reversing it?

...Cryogenic freezing is already common for bacteria and other living cells, with great success. Unfortunately the body is infinitely more complex than these relatively simple organisms, and so there are some serious drawbacks to the process in human beings. For example, when the temperature passes -100C, water is forced out of the cells and crystallises, piercing the membrane and causing significant damage. As you freeze, there is a very real chance your tissues will tear due to differences in temperature between areas of the body....http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/archive/index.php/t-38231.html

...Even proponents of cryonics, the practice of storing entire organisms (or at least their brains) for future revival, admit there is no scientific evidence that a cryopreserved human will ever be revived. No one even knows what technology would have to be developed to reverse the preservation.

Many questions surround the cryopreservation process itself. In cryopreservation, cells and tissues are stored at frigid, cryogenic temperatures—where metabolism and decay are almost stopped—for future revival at normal temperatures.

But scientists have long known that the freezing process creates ice crystals, which destroy cells and cellular structures.
A few years ago, cryobiologists discovered a new preservation process, called vitrification, which virtually eliminates ice-crystal formation. Rather than freezing the tissue, vitrification suspends it in a highly viscous glassy state. In this mode, molecules remain in a disordered state, as in a fluid, rather than forming a crystalline structure...

"The preservation that we're able to do today is adequate to preserve the critical information that we believe is important to the human personality and human memory," said Merkle, who is an Alcor board member.

While vitrification circumvents some of the problems associated with freezing, it raises other issues. Scientists must impregnate tissues with high concentrations of cryoprotective chemicals that promote the vitreous state, but these are potentially toxic...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0318_050318_cryonics.html

[Karatist]

Vi ne poverete, no mne kak-to prishlos ispitat podobnoye chuvstvo.
V etot moment "vnutrenniy golos" ili chto eshe podskazal, chto eshe mnogo ne zakonchenih del i vernul menya obratno v etot mir.

V etom mire vse vozmojno.

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http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27jul99_1.htm

I guess, I am right, don't you think so?

Delf.

это равносильному тому утверждению, что мол растения в морозную зиму замерзают, а летом снова прорастают. И следовательно, если закопать человека по горло в землю в зимний мороз, то значит летом человек оживёт ... не смешно ли... человек ведь не растение. Организм человека намного сложнее, чем растение - которое имеет программу регенерации своей простейшей структуры при весеннем повышении температуры.

даже в весеннюю пору, при внезапном похолодании, многие растения погибают без возможности регенерации. почему это происходит? да потому, что при первичном потеплении, растения снимают свою естесственную защиту от холода и при внезапном похолодании после потепления, растения остаются без природной защиты. это говорит о том, что найденный учёными древний вид растения, сохранившийся до наших дней, был хорошо сохранён и имел благоприятные условия окружающей среды.

[Uyyonli]

i've died once but i was saved though. according to the people who saved me said I stopped breathing, my heart stopped... But my God had mercy on me. I am alive. Also I have not experienced such things as like my soul went into skyes and stuff...:)

[NanOnaN]

Can you tell your story more detail?


i've died once but i was saved though. according to the people who saved me said I stopped breathing, my heart stopped... But my God had mercy on me. I am alive. Also I have not experienced such things as like my soul went into skyes and stuff...:)