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Sirius_s
04-04-2008, 06:58 AM
Assalamu alaykum,You heard about that magazine in Denmark has published. It's making fun of our beloved PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) by drawing pictures of him and describing him as a terrorist.And now they PRODUCE FILM " FITNA". Moreover they refused to apologize because they considered it a practice of freedom and democracy. I ask you all to put your hands with other MUSLIMS and boycott the Denmark's products. 1.6 billion Muslims could really slap the economy in Denmark. Please copy this text and forward this text to as many Muslims as possible Via Email via SMS Via Scrap..... I ask u,as a Muslims... Can't u spare 5 minutes in order to spread this message among Muslims ...ASAP? REMEMBER THE PROPHET (SAW) MIGHT ASK YOU ONE DAY,' WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN THEY MADE FUN OF ME?
Agar hammamiza ularni mahsulotini olishni tark qilsak, Daniya qanchalik yoqitishi o'sarkin?!
Godunov
04-04-2008, 07:35 AM
Assalamu alaykum,You heard about that magazine in Denmark has published. It's making fun of our beloved PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) by drawing pictures of him and describing him as a terrorist.And now they PRODUCE FILM " FITNA". Moreover they refused to apologize because they considered it a practice of freedom and democracy. I ask you all to put your hands with other MUSLIMS and boycott the Denmark's products. 1.6 billion Muslims could really slap the economy in Denmark. Please copy this text and forward this text to as many Muslims as possible Via Email via SMS Via Scrap..... I ask u,as a Muslims... Can't u spare 5 minutes in order to spread this message among Muslims ...ASAP? REMEMBER THE PROPHET (SAW) MIGHT ASK YOU ONE DAY,' WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN THEY MADE FUN OF ME?
Agar hammamiza ularni mahsulotini olishni tark qilsak, Daniya qanchalik yoqitishi o'sarkin?!
Singlim yoki opam, eng avvalo o'zini haqiqiy musulmon degan odam his tuyg'u bilanmas, aql bilan ish tutishi kerak. Siz aytayotgan dan Kurt Westergaard va golland Geert Wildersnlarni daniya va gollandiyani o'zi ham ma'qullayotgan yo'q, shundoq ekan bitta bemaza uchun uni oilasi yoki butun millat javob berishi kerak degan so'z yozilmagan bo'sa kerak quronda. Bunaqa masalani mohiyatiga yetmasdan, mulohaza qilmasdan hammani jangga chorlash fanatizm deyiladi.
Faraz qilaylik, siz O'zb.dansiz, biror musulmon davlatiga tashrif buyurdingiz deylik, o'sha davlat vakillari sizga qarab, "Senlar musulmonlarni o'ldirish uchun Xonabodga USA qo'shinlarini kiritdinglar, senlar musulmonlarni dushmanisanlar!" deb sizni otib tashlasa shu to'g'rimi, axir USA qo'shinlarini kiritishda sizni hechqanday rolingiz bo'maganku, mulohazali bo'ling!
Shambles
04-04-2008, 07:37 AM
First of all, dont you think that it's a bit naive and childish? Even if you boycott them, would they care? I doubt that!
Secondly, if I'm not mistaken Danes have nothing to do with the "Fitna" movie, since it's a Dutch (i.e. from the Netherlands or Holland) movie. Should we boycott them too?
Thirdly, there is no thirdly
Fourthly, so many Europeans are not big fans of Islam, let's boycott whole Europe then...
Instead of conclusion: where we are gonna end up with such attitude? Think profoundly and find another way to deal with the problem!
Frida
04-04-2008, 07:56 AM
in addition to Shambles 4 (or 3?) pieces of advice -- educate yourself. how long can you go victimizing yourself and blaming Europeans in all the problems of your life? time to use your brain and not only emotions. muslim nation ruled when people placed INTELLECT in the first place. learn to fight against the criticism with the same tool -- with words, with ideas. not by exploding yourself in the middle of bazaar and killing your own.
Ahmet
04-04-2008, 08:10 AM
hammaga salom,
mani fikrim quyidagicha: Olmoniya'da yillardan beri yashaganligim uchun tajribalarimga suyangan holda yuqoridagi forum ishtirokchimiz aytib o'tkandey aql bilan mulohazalarga kiraman ki mevalarini ko'rdim va ko'ryapman.
Masalan 1lk Karikaturalar chiqqanida ho'vliqib, hutdi har nemis (gayrimuslimlar) manga dushmanlik qiladigandey kelardi va tema dinu paygambarimizga s.a.w.s tekkanda manga osongina provokatsiya qullanib jahlimi chiqaradiganlar bo'gan...
Hozirda esa o'zimga bir yo'l topdim va manga qarshi qullanilgan qurol bilan o'zlariga qarshi javob beraman va ishano'rilar, ovozlari chiqme qoladi.
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Boycot masalasiga kelsak, manimcha balki qisman bo'lsada Daniyaning iqtisodiy minuslar bo'lishi mumkin ammo shuni esdan chiqarmaylik Daniya degani EU degani va Daniyaga qarshi yuritilgan (Boykott va hokazo) ishlarga EU'dan Daniyaga solidar javoblar keladi.
Unda nima qilish kerak, butun EU mahsulotlarga boykot qilinish kerakmikan, deb o'ylab qolaman. Ammo deylik uniyam qildik, keyinchi, AQSH mahsulotlari keladimi???
Yo' birodarlar, Islom diniga va hususan Paygambarimizga s.a.w.s. qarshi , "Freedom of Press va Speech" niqobi ostida yuritilayotgan hunik haqoratlarning sababini Daniya yo boshqa chet davlatda emas, o'zimizda yani dinimizning shartlarini yeriga keltirmagan musulmonlarga so'raylik
salomlar
fidis
04-04-2008, 08:35 AM
Matrasimni chiqarib tashlagandim otgan yili...daniyaniki edi...eskiroq ham edi..:D
boshqa narsam yoq chiqarib tashlaydigan. Sotvolganda ham koproq turkish shopdan olaman, shunga man bu erda uzurlik :D
Ismoilzoda
04-04-2008, 08:44 AM
Siyosat bilan, aql bilan ish tutaylik deganlarga ikki og`iz gapim bor edi.
G`arb davlatlarida demokratiya bor deb bong urishadi. Karikatura chizdimi, kino ishladimi, tegma. Chunki har bir fuqaro shaxsiy fikrini aytishga haqlidir deb uqtirishadi. Sen uning fikrini qoralashing mumkin, lekin aslo unga to`sqinlik qilib, majburlab o`g`zini berkitolmaysan. Bu g`arbliklarning Islom himoyasiga bo`lgan munosabati.
O`sha davlatlarning rahbarlari o`zlarining shaxsiy, moliyaviy va hirsiy manfaatlarini himoya qilish uchun nimalar qilmaydi deysiz? Kerak bo`lsa, yo`lini qilib yirik kompaniyalarni tag-tugi bilan yutib yuborishadi. O`zlariga qarshi chiqqan oddiy odamlar haqida gapirmasa ham bo`ladi.
Xo`sh, nega Islomga kelganda, bundan befarqlik munosabatini ko`ramiz. Chunki yildan-yilga g`arb aholisi dinimizni taniyotgani, muhojirlarga qo`shilib mahalliy millat vakillari ham Islom aqidalariga rioya qilishga harakat qilayotgani ularning sistemasini ich-ichidan emirib parchalab tashlashi mumkinligini g`arb raxbarlari juda yaxshi tushunadi. Qo`rqishadi! Ular shariat sekin asta ularning konstituciyalarini o`rnini bosishidan qo`rqishadi.
Chunki u erdagi insonlar Islomiy hayotni kechira boshlashsa butun moliyaviy tizimni o`zgarishiga olib kelishi mumkin. Foizlarga asoslanib kun ko`rayotgan banklardan tortib harom egulik savdosi bilan shug`ullanuvchi kompaniyalargacha o`z siyosatini qayta ko`rib chiqishiga to`g`ri keladi.
Natijada millionlab daromad ko`rayotganlar uchun kislorod bo`gib qo`yilishi mumkin. Shuning uchun Islom dinini har qanday yo`l bilan kamsitish, unga qiziqayotganlarning ishtiyoqini so`ndirish g`arb puldorlariga juda ham qo`l kelyapti.
To`g`ri ular (davlat raxbarlari) karikatura va filmlarni qoralab chiqishyapti.
Lekin bu shunchaki omma fikriga qarshi chiqmaslik uchundir. O`zlarini millatlararo, dinlararo nizolarga qarshi chiquvchi qilib ko`rsatishadiyu, HAQIQIY, QAT`IY harakatlarga kelganda "Nima ham qila olardik? Axir bizda demokratiya..." deb o`zlarini chetga olishadi.
Agar o`sha davlatlar rahbarlariyu, hukumat vakillari bla-bla qilmasdan bundan kamsitishlarga chek qo`yishni istashganda edi o`sha gazeta tahririyati ham, filmni olgan studiya ham allaqachon yopilib ketgan bo`lardi. Ommaga bu "mahsulotlar" chiqmasidan avval.
Hullas butun g`arb dunyosi dvoynoy standartga ko`ra yashayapti.
Endi esa forumda ularni g`arbni himoya qilayotgan (ha! himoya qilayotgan) userlarimizga uchun:
Siz Islom uchun, Payg`ambarimiz uchun qayg`urmas ekansiz, YURAGIDA O`TI BOR muslim va muslimalarga qarshi fikr bildirmang. O`zingizning, oila ahlingizning dinini himoya qilishga urinayotgan birodarlarimizni "Fanatiksan!..." deb ko`nglini ranjitmang.
Ular Daniyani portlatishni talab qilayotgani yo`q. Ular g`arbliklarning o`zlariga ma`qul kelmagan Islom davlatlariga qarshi ishlatayotgan usullarining birini qo`llashni taklif qilyapti. Ya`ni, iqtisodiy boykotni.
Agar dinimizga foydangiz tegishiga ko`zingiz etmasa, bu erdagi muslimlarning ham kayfiyatini buzmang-da, sukunat saqlang...
Ohiratda har bir aytgan so`zingiz o`zingiz uchun ashaddiy dushman bo`lib qaytishi mumkinligi haqida unutmang...
Assalamu alaykum.
Do we need to talk about the difference between individuals and countries again? :shock: Unfortuntley about 5 billion other people in the world seem to use the same logic. :rolleyes:
No need to boycott Denmark. Boycott the movie (although I would need to see something before I believe I hate it). You can protest the movie too if you want (if it is actually screened anywhere). That is a far more appropriate response to something offensive.
And just a note- apparently the Danish guy who drew the cartoon disagrees with this movie also.
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY WATCHED THIS MOVIE????
Elegance
04-04-2008, 09:10 AM
Ajabo... :-)
Islom dini haqida fikrga ega bo'lmagan odamlar qayoqdan ham xarom-halolning farqiga borsin?
Siz aytgan rahbarlar topayotgan daromadidan qo'rqmaydi, balki mamlakatdagi qonun-qoidaga bo'ysunadi. Bu narsa ularda hech ham niqob emas.
Qolaversa, bu yerdagi xalq ham sizlar o'ylaganchalik islom diniga qarshi emas. 7 ta ahmoq chizgan karikaturani deb, butun bir xalq haqida ham xulosa chiqarish shoshqaloqlikmasmi?
His-tuyg'ularga berilmasdan, ozgina fikr yuritilsa, ehtimol bir fikrga ham kelinarmidi... Lekin Daniyada bo'lmasdan turib, bu yerdagi siyosat va atrofdagi voqealarga bo'layotgan munosabatlar haqida birdaniga xulosa chiqarish ham, mening nazarimda, noto'g'ri.
Ho'p, olaylik... Butun musulmon dunyosi Daniya mahsulotlariga qarshi chiqdi... Ho'p, keyinchi? Bu bilan Daniya ekonomikasi inqirozga tushib qolmaydi. Musulmon davlatlari bo'lmasa, ana, qolgan EU davlatlari bor. Ular sotib oladi mahsulotini.
Muammoni boshqa yo'llar bilan hal qilish kerak.
P.S.: "Fanatiksan", degan gapingizga o'zimni ojizona fikrimni bildirsam. :-) Ehtimol, bu fikrim bilan kimlarnidir ranjitarman. Lekin aytib o'tish joiz.
Alloh yo'lida bajarilgan har qanday amal sirliligicha qolishi kerak.
Besh vaqt namoz o'qish, hijobga kirish va boshqa sir saqlanishi kerak bo'lgan amallarni "Men bajaryapman, lekin ayni shu sababdan sen mendan past turasan" deb ko'krakka urish aqlga sig'maydigan narsa. Qayerdan bilasiz, ehtimol kimlardir "kofirga" chiqarib qo'ygan odam, ulardan-da amallari ulug'dir.
Ismoilzoda
04-04-2008, 09:40 AM
Singlim, fanatiklar haqidagi gapni noto`g`ri tushunibsiz shekilli..
Albatta, Alloh buyurgan amallarni qilgan kishi o`z ko`ksiga urish kerakmas. Hech kim boshqa birodarini pastga urayotgani ham yo`q. Yuqoriga qarang.
Yana bir gap.
Agar musulmonlar indamay o`tiraversa osha siz etgan 7 ta axmoq erta-indin 70 ta, bir necha yildan keyin 7000 ta bo`lmasligiga kim kafil? (albatta Alloh bilguvchidir qanday bo`lishini).
Bitta oddiygina misol.
Mahallada qatiq sotuvchi qo`shningiz sizni qattiq g`azablantirdi. Asabingizga tegaverib. Siz nima qilasiz?
Har kuni hech narsa bo`lmaganday undan qatiq olaverasizmi? Shubham borki, olmasangiz kerak. Lekin uning oila a`zolarida nima ayb? Birgina ayolning axmoqligi bed butun oila tirikchiligi nima bo`ladi?
Iqtisodiy boykotda o`sha oila a`zolari u ayolga nisbatan chora ko`rishga majbur bo`ladi.
- Ey, falonchi. Tilingni tiyib yurmasang bozorimiz kasotga uchraydi-ku!
Nadeyus` ob`yasnil...
Black
04-04-2008, 09:54 AM
in addition to Shambles 4 (or 3?) pieces of advice -- educate yourself. how long can you go victimizing yourself and blaming Europeans in all the problems of your life? time to use your brain and not only emotions. muslim nation ruled when people placed INTELLECT in the first place. learn to fight against the criticism with the same tool -- with words, with ideas. not by exploding yourself in the middle of bazaar and killing your own.
Calm down Frida, no one is talking about blowing up something. What is she offering is very democratic and "civilised" (as you guys like to say) way of expressing the protest. So, I am sorry to say, especially taking into acount that I used to enjoy your very Logical posts before, what you are saying here is just stupid. True that she made a mistake calling Dutch a Danish, so this is just a "technical" problem, not logical. The Biggest problem is that some people have double standards regarding expressing someone's will. When the West boycotts or protest something, they take it normally or, at least, don't care about it. But as long as Muslims start demanding something or protesting against something, they start yelling "don't blow up yourself you uncivilised people". Or some of Muslims have an inferiority complexity (compleks nepolnotsennosti). They think that Muslims are inferior to others, so when muslims try to do something they do their best to stop them (fearing the response of the West) or critisize them (muslims who are trying to do something), call them with different names (like fanatics, radicals, extremists, terrorists).
So people, I say, Muslims also are human beings. They (We) also have a right to express ourselves. If you do not agree with that - this is your problem.
As for the boycotting products - this method is very democratic, civilised and peacefull way of protesting and it is very EFFECTIVE method.
Black
04-04-2008, 10:00 AM
Singlim, fanatiklar haqidagi gapni noto`g`ri tushunibsiz shekilli..
Albatta, Alloh buyurgan amallarni qilgan kishi o`z ko`ksiga urish kerakmas. Hech kim boshqa birodarini pastga urayotgani ham yo`q. Yuqoriga qarang.
Yana bir gap.
Agar musulmonlar indamay o`tiraversa osha siz etgan 7 ta axmoq erta-indin 70 ta, bir necha yildan keyin 7000 ta bo`lmasligiga kim kafil? (albatta Alloh bilguvchidir qanday bo`lishini).
Bitta oddiygina misol.
Mahallada qatiq sotuvchi qo`shningiz sizni qattiq g`azablantirdi. Asabingizga tegaverib. Siz nima qilasiz?
Har kuni hech narsa bo`lmaganday undan qatiq olaverasizmi? Shubham borki, olmasangiz kerak. Lekin uning oila a`zolarida nima ayb? Birgina ayolning axmoqligi bed butun oila tirikchiligi nima bo`ladi?
Iqtisodiy boykotda o`sha oila a`zolari u ayolga nisbatan chora ko`rishga majbur bo`ladi.
- Ey, falonchi. Tilingni tiyib yurmasang bozorimiz kasotga uchraydi-ku!
Nadeyus` ob`yasnil...
Judayam to'g'ri gap. Iqtisodiy boykot Effektiv usul. Hech kim o'lmaydi (albatta bu ham Hudoni hohishiga bog'liq), lekin o'zini bosar tusarini bilmay qolgan jamiyat a'zosini boshqa shu jamiyatdagilar tartibga chaqirib qo'yishga majbur bo'lishadi "Tentak, o'zingini bosib ol, seni deb biz zarar ko'rayapmiz, yana bir marta shunaqa qilsang, onangni uchqo'rg'ondan ko'rsatamiz" qabilida.
do 100 times that danish stupo and his supporters what uzbeks do the day after marriage. no more no less.
Demir Kağan
04-04-2008, 10:01 AM
I guess this is the only post of Black that I agreed with.
Sirius sister, why don't you list the products of them? Including Denmark as they started this first.
blogger
04-04-2008, 11:06 AM
Fitnaga o'xshagan prokatsiyalar bitta ikkita g'alamisning ishi buning uchun boykot qilmaslik kerak deydiganlar yanglishadi.
Sizga bir misol, nima uchun mana shunday bitta ikkita "g'alamis" Xolokost bo'lmagan deb aytmaydi, chunki aytolmaydi.
Nimaga aytolmaydi, axir ularning fikr erkinligi degan oliy tushunchalari bor-ku?
Sababi tog'ri qamoqqa tushishi mumkin, bundan bir muncha yillar oldin Britaniyalik olimning holiga tushadi.
Biz musulmonlar nima qilishimiz kerakki, agar qo'limizda katta katta korporatsiyalar bo'lmasa, kuchli qo'shinimiz bo'lmasa USga o'xshab dag' dag'a qilaylik desak.
Albatta biz avvalo duo qilamiz, keyin esa tnich yo'l bilan qo'limizdan kelgan amalni qilamiz.
Hozircha qo'limizdan kelgan tinch amallardan biri boykot bo'lib turibdi.
idiom
04-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Kecha usha kinoni kurdim.
Nimaga norozisilar? Garbga islomni shunaqa qilib kursatib quygan bulsa bazi birovlar.
Innan keyin kinoda uzbeklani boikot qil demagan. Faqat Bizani uyimizaga kelib, nogoreni taraqlatma demoqchi.
Uyini ikkinchi Pokiston qilishga qarshi.
Boikot qilishni usha joilardan kuchib ketish bilan boshlansa, ular ham hursand bulsa kerak.
Sirius_s
04-05-2008, 12:23 AM
Albatta har kim o'z fikriga ega, agar boycottga qarshi bo'lsangiz bu sizning fikringiz, sizn qando fikrilisiz man bilmadim, lekin mani fikrim quidagicha:
Agar man Daniyaning $100lik narsasini sotib olsam va bundan ular $10-15lik foyda ko'rsa, mana shu man ularni bergan $10-15lik yordamim qayoqqa ketyapti, mana shu ularning karikaturalariga va musulmonlarga qarshi kurashishga sarflanayotgan pulga qo'shilayotandir va bu sonni 1.000.000ga ko'paytirsak $10.000.000-15.000.000 lik sof foydani biz musulmonlar ularga mana olinglar deb qo'liga tutqazayotgandek ko'raman. Agar shu bizning boycottimiz orqali ularda krizis yoki shunga o'xshash narsa bo'lsa, unda ko'rasiz, butun xalq chiqib, sanlani karikaturang deb bizning qornimiz och qolyapti deb o'zlari etgan democracyni talab qiishi mn. Manga kimnidir och qolishi qizizmas,rizq Allohdan, manga ularning qilayotgan ishlarini o'zlari to'xtatishga majbur bo'lishlaridir.
P.S. Bu yerda musulmonlarda(man yashayotgan joyda) faqat Daniyagamas, barcha yevreylar bosh bo'lgan comp. productlariga boycott qiganmiza, chunki yevreylar musulmonlarga qarshi kurashishga sotib olayotgan qurol va boshqa narsalarda yordam bermaslik uchun.
Nima o'ylasangiz o'ylayvering, nima qilsangiz qilavering, har kim o'z amaliga javob beradi :)
eusko
04-05-2008, 12:30 AM
бой кот это же богатая задница по узбекски?
anatoliydaev
04-05-2008, 01:12 AM
Soglasen! Poydu iskat' produkty iz Danii, chtoby nachat' boykotirovat' ih. Allah akbar!
Odildustov
04-05-2008, 02:25 AM
Singlim yoki opam, eng avvalo o'zini haqiqiy musulmon degan odam his tuyg'u bilanmas, aql bilan ish tutishi kerak. Siz aytayotgan dan Kurt Westergaard va golland Geert Wildersnlarni daniya va gollandiyani o'zi ham ma'qullayotgan yo'q, shundoq ekan bitta bemaza uchun uni oilasi yoki butun millat javob berishi kerak degan so'z yozilmagan bo'sa kerak quronda. Bunaqa masalani mohiyatiga yetmasdan, mulohaza qilmasdan hammani jangga chorlash fanatizm deyiladi.
Faraz qilaylik, siz O'zb.dansiz, biror musulmon davlatiga tashrif buyurdingiz deylik, o'sha davlat vakillari sizga qarab, "Senlar musulmonlarni o'ldirish uchun Xonabodga USA qo'shinlarini kiritdinglar, senlar musulmonlarni dushmanisanlar!" deb sizni otib tashlasa shu to'g'rimi, axir USA qo'shinlarini kiritishda sizni hechqanday rolingiz bo'maganku, mulohazali bo'ling!
Bizni mamlakatni kim boshqaradi va unda millatni roli qandayligini butun jahon biladi. shuni yuzasidan bizga nisbatan bunday savol berilishi nourin. yuqoridagi davlatda esa demoktariyaning kerekli bulgan qaysidir qizmini qullab uni orqasidan "butunligicha demokratiya yashayapmiz" deb uzlarini oqlashini kengroq tushunish kere.
in addition to Shambles 4 (or 3?) pieces of advice -- educate yourself. how long can you go victimizing yourself and blaming Europeans in all the problems of your life? time to use your brain and not only emotions. muslim nation ruled when people placed INTELLECT in the first place. learn to fight against the criticism with the same tool -- with words, with ideas. not by exploding yourself in the middle of bazaar and killing your own.
i suggest you should look to plate from upside, not from down. you cannot see what there is in plate othervise. then, do not get sad or mad or cry if any acter gets died in movie scenario. they are just playing the scenario, no need to think it is real. :)
Soglasen! Poydu iskat' produkty iz Danii, chtoby nachat' boykotirovat' ih. Allah akbar!
hech biror marta halol yoki haromni farqini bilishga harakat qilgansanmi hayotingda? og'ziga kelganni demoq axmoqni ishi, oldiga kelganni yemoq hayvonni ishi.
shunchalar qiyin emasku, bir davlatni mahsulotini chetlash, kerak bulganda musulmon davlatlarni mahsulotini banned qilishadi-ku. qorin tuygazishga boshqa variant yuqmi bizni musulmonlarda? Paygambarimiz, dinimiz, kitobimiz eng muqaddas hizoblaganlarni qanaq qilib hatto jahli chiqmaydi bunday haqoratlarga? bir narsani esdan chiqarmayla. kofirlar siz islomni tark etmagunlaringcha sizlardan zinhor rozi bulmaydilar.
SAMARKANDI!
04-05-2008, 02:30 AM
Soglasen! Poydu iskat' produkty iz Danii, chtoby nachat' boykotirovat' ih. Allah akbar!
You know, moron, just leave His name aside. If u have problems with muslims refer directly to them.
SAMARKANDI!
04-05-2008, 04:13 AM
Sarvari koinot (SAW) o'ziga yetkazilgan ulkan aziyyatga qaramasdan, Toif aholisini halokatdan saqlaganlar. "Ular nima qilayotganlarini bilmaydilar" deb ularni jazo o'rniga duo qilganlari mashhurdir.
Har doimgidek, Payg'ambarimizdan (SAW) o'rnak olishimiz kerak.
Our Prophet pbuh used peace and force when needed. These people know very well what and why they are doing. The example you used was at the time when Islam was first introduced, when people hardly knew about it. In other words at the beginning any knowledge is presented in a peaceful, tolerant way, because it is presumed that people tend to deny radical changes, especially if it calls to believe in one "invisible" God at the time everyone believed in idols and multiple gods. But now after 1400 years, after well spread message and knowledge of Islam and even after being born in mostly muslim populated region, if person ridicules the divine belief (of Islam), he or she should be properly warned, if needed with force.
Mehribonu
04-05-2008, 05:56 AM
Matrasimni chiqarib tashlagandim otgan yili...daniyaniki edi...eskiroq ham edi..:D
boshqa narsam yoq chiqarib tashlaydigan. Sotvolganda ham koproq turkish shopdan olaman, shunga man bu erda uzurlik :D
Assalomu alaykum!
Yaxshi - sizda uzrlik ekan :)
Toma-toma ko'l bo'lur, hech tommasa - yo'q bo'lur, degan gap bor-ku axir.
Kulglituyulishi mumkin, ammogap niyyatda-ku!
InsaAlloh, man ham endi Daniya, Nider-Goll. mahsulotlarini harid qilmayman.
Shuningdek, oddiygina - azonni ham al-Aqsoda aytilganini eshitaman, chnki u yerda jon berayotgan birodarlariz hurmati! Ularni yod etib turish biz uchun muximdir.
Uchala xonlikni nima yo'q qildi axir? Uchovi ham "Kofir menga kelgani yo'q, aksincha, dushmanim(?)ni boshii yedi" degan qarash tugatmaganmidi?..
anatoliydaev
04-05-2008, 06:27 AM
You know, moron, just leave His name aside. If u have problems with muslims refer directly to them.
And now u gonna tell me where I use His name? :D
Kolobok
04-05-2008, 06:47 AM
You know, moron, just leave His name aside. If u have problems with muslims refer directly to them.
Before you call someone a moron in public, I'd suggest you grow up.
Instead of making a big deal out of a joke on prophet it would have been much wiser to take it with a pinch of salt and deal with it in a more mature matter.
It's about time to control our emotions and quilt blaming western world for everything that goes against the muslim world. The thread itself is a complete and utter waste of time.
Black
04-05-2008, 07:03 AM
Before you call someone a moron in public, I'd suggest you grow up.
Instead of making a big deal out of a joke on prophet it would have been much wiser to take it with a pinch of salt and deal with it in a more mature matter.
It's about time to control our emotions and quilt blaming western world for everything that goes against the muslim world. The thread itself is a complete and utter waste of time.
First of all, why you are here in first place if this thread is complete and utter waste of time? Is someone forcing you to enter here?
Secondly, if someone publicly makes fun of others' belief, then he is double moron. First for making fun of someone's belief and secondly for doing it openly. He is one more time moron of mocking the belief of the nation whose bread he has eaten for many years. Moron is moron.
If you think that the thread has no value, then you are free not to enter and read it. If someone is forcing you to do so, then we can complain it to moderators or administrators so that they stop you forcing to enter and read this thread.
Please moderators, stop the users who are forcing Kolobok and that Islamophobic user to enter and read and leave comments here. They do not want to participate in this thread but they are forced to do so. Please help them.
anatoliydaev, could you please stop your provocaion.
please, man.
Kolobok
04-05-2008, 07:18 AM
First of all, why you are here in first place if this thread is complete and utter waste of time? Is someone forcing you to enter here?
Secondly, if someone publicly makes fun of others' belief, then he is double moron. First for making fun of someone's belief and secondly for doing it openly. He is one more time moron of mocking the belief of the nation whose bread he has eaten for many years. Moron is moron.
If you think that the thread has no value, then you are free not to enter and read it. If someone is forcing you to do so, then we can complain it to moderators or administrators so that they stop you forcing to enter and read this thread.
Please moderators, stop the users who are forcing Kolobok and that Islamophobic user to enter and read and leave comments here. They do not want to participate in this thread but they are forced to do so. Please help them.
Black, I totally understand your anger, but my comment was towards samarkandi, who has abused anatoliydaev by calling him moron. On the subject of religion, I will not back down...I think religion itself is a bullcrap whether it's muslim or any other and if you lot can't hack the joke - blame yourselfs. When someone blows himself I see no condolonce towards those innocent dead people, whose lives were taken by some lunatic religios morons, those are the ones who should be called morons or beheading a journalist and showing it to the world, where is your bleeding soul for him and his family? I'm not saying making a joke of a dead man is a good thing, no, it isn't, but what I'm trying to get across is the fact that it's about time to take things a bit easy. What a sad world we are living in.
Black
04-05-2008, 07:30 AM
Black, I totally understand your anger, but my comment was towards samarkandi, who has abused anatoliydaev by calling him moron. On the subject of religion, I will not back down...I think religion itself is a bullcrap whether it's muslim or any other and if you lot can't hack the joke - blame yourselfs. When someone blows himself I see no condolonce towards those innocent dead people, whose lives were taken by some lunatic religios morons, those are the ones who should be called morons or beheading a journalist and showing it to the world, where is your bleeding soul for him and his family? I'm not saying making a joke of a dead man is a good thing, no, it isn't, but what I'm trying to get across is the fact that it's about time to take things a bit easy. What a sad world we are living in.
All what you are saying has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to discuss them open another thread, and we will discuss it. And imagine, you opened a thread, and discussing beheadings, blow ups and saying consolodences to their families and then a moron comes and mockes your feelings, your words, How do you feel of him and what do you call him? Ask your consince.
As I see you are not believer, then this thread is not related to you. Of course you can leave your opinion, no one can stop you doing so. At the same time you are not obligated to read this thread. If you do not like it, if it is not adressed to you, you can and have a right ignore the thread. BUT, REMEMBER, others also have a right to discuss what they want.
The last word, I repeat, all what you are saying has nothing to do with this thread. NO one is talking about killing or blowing up someone. Read previous posts. Do a favour to yourself and others, if you do not have a constructive opinion, don't waste your and other's time. You are not obligated to participate here.
Kolobok
04-05-2008, 07:42 AM
Maybe I should open a new thread and talk about it,but as far as I'm concerned it's all related to one another and, if your conscious isn't capable of connecting it to each other, then maybe you are right...I'm wasting my and your precious time.
And by the way, I'm a believer of not hurting and killing people, I'm a believer of not stealing and above all I'm a believer of respecting other people. I'll let the almighty to judge me on my consumption of alcohol and other things that don't hurt my surrounding.
Magnolia
04-05-2008, 11:26 AM
Вам больше дискутировать не о чем кроме как кому какие products игнорировать?
ваше право поступать так как вы считаете правильным,но не стоит лезть другим в душу и ожидать от них того же.
Izida
04-05-2008, 11:32 AM
Вам больше дискутировать не о чем кроме как кому какие products игнорировать?
ваше право поступать так как вы считаете правильным,но не стоит лезть другим в душу и ожидать от них того же.
Ты что ты что, Магнолька, тебе придеться отказаться от туфелек Ecco :lol:
П.С. Кста, не в курсе Датский это брэнд или нет. Но модельки у нее хорошие ...
Magnolia
04-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Ты что ты что, Магнолька, тебе придеться отказаться от туфелек Ecco :lol:
П.С. Кста, не в курсе Датский это брэнд или нет. Но модельки у нее хорошие ...
ходить босой и посыпать голову пеплом?;)
Izida
04-05-2008, 11:43 AM
ходить босой и посыпать голову пеплом?;)
пепел не обязателен, но можно в руки взять плакат с надписью, мы против Датских туфелек. :lol:
PHOENIX
04-05-2008, 11:48 AM
ходить босой и посыпать голову пеплом?;)
Одежды на себе еще разорви, тоже в знак горести. :lol:
Я объявляю бойкот продуктам Голландии. А то устроили, понимаешь ли, посмешище над травой. Ходят, прямо на улице заворачивают и курят. Это же святое! Ритуал целый нужно проводить, а они... :evil:
Oyaji
04-05-2008, 12:19 PM
аммо Ecco туфлилари емонмас, уже 2 йилдан бери шу туфлида юраман, хали енгидай.
Oyaji
04-05-2008, 12:27 PM
Bang & Olufsen системасини олиш орзусиям ухлади энди :D кайтанга яхши, 2-3 минг эконом :D
dauphin
04-05-2008, 12:28 PM
аммо Ecco туфлилари емонмас, уже 2 йилдан бери шу туфлида юраман, хали енгидай.
Looks like I don't use any of these brands. Wow that is a stress relief. Even I drink Miller or Budlight not carslberg or smth else. So, I am boycotting their products. I am glad if that makes me better Muslim.
аммо Ecco туфлилари емонмас, уже 2 йилдан бери шу туфлида юраман, хали енгидай.
oladigan narsa yo'q ekanu ozi.
"puck" degan produkti zo'r ekanmi :lol:
Kim edi boykot qilmaydigan, o'sha olsin shundan :lol:
SAMARKANDI!
04-05-2008, 01:28 PM
Black, I totally understand your anger, but my comment was towards samarkandi, who has abused anatoliydaev by calling him moron. On the subject of religion, I will not back down...I think religion itself is a bullcrap whether it's muslim or any other and if you lot can't hack the joke - blame yourselfs. When someone blows himself I see no condolonce towards those innocent dead people, whose lives were taken by some lunatic religios morons, those are the ones who should be called morons or beheading a journalist and showing it to the world, where is your bleeding soul for him and his family? I'm not saying making a joke of a dead man is a good thing, no, it isn't, but what I'm trying to get across is the fact that it's about time to take things a bit easy. What a sad world we are living in.
I publicly pronounce you a MORON, for publicly insulting the religion. Ur large head is full of that bullcrap, it seems.
R.Azimov
04-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Okay ladies and Gentlemen!
Now everybody knows about boycotting the Denmark product in forum!
Thread is closed!
RA
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