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[Qarama]

Selamunaleykum,

i would like to know if the number 41 is important in our Religion if yes why? Or is it a Turkic saying?

41x mashAllah k'oz tegmasin tfu tfu tfu!

[Farhodjon]

ruschami o'zbekchami varianti bormi ?

[blogger]

41 raqami dinimizda ahamiyatlimi, agar ha bo'lsa nima uchunligini bilmoqchi. Yoki bu turkcha naqlmi, deyabdi.

ruschami o'zbekchami varianti bormi ?

[wyxpat]

Meni bilishimcha bunday narsa yo'q.

[Alouddin]

41 + 73 = 114 (soorat)? :rolleyes:

[satik]

41 + 73 = 114 (soorat)? :rolleyes:
1+10+10+10+10=41 ana mo'jiza :)

[Alouddin]

satik: LOL :)

On: 40 kunlik degan narsalar bor esli chto. misol uchun uylangan yigit/qiz qirq kun "chillalik" bo'ladi; yangi tug'ilgan chaqaloqning "qirq"i chiqmaguncha u-bu gaplar; vafot qilgan odamning "qirq kunligi" vhkzlr...

41 bo'sa?.. hmm... kim biladi... u-bu kimlarda 13 yomon raqam, kimdir uchun 7 baht keltiradi... balki shunaqa bir narsamikin?

[Black]

Selamunaleykum,

i would like to know if the number 41 is important in our Religion if yes why? Or is it a Turkic saying?

41x mashAllah k'oz tegmasin tfu tfu tfu!

As far as I know, there is no official symbolism in Islam. In other words, there is no special numbers which carries any religious meannings. All those 7s, 13s, 40s, 41s and etc. are not Islamic. There is no Important number in Islam!

This is what I know and believe so far. If anybody has otherwise information, share it.

[Alouddin]

well think i could oppose bro Black: number 1, ya'ni there is only one God, 4 divine books, 2 guidance sources for muslims... i mean they are not important as such but just wanted to mention...

[Black]

well think i could oppose bro Black: number 1, ya'ni there is only one God, 4 divine books, 2 guidance sources for muslims... i mean they are not important as such but just wanted to mention...

You did not get me Brother.

Does Number 1 means anything in our religion? Oneness of the Creator is not depended on the Digit 1 (this is totally different issue), 1 (one) is just a Digit, it has nothing special. Also, other digits/numbers have nothing special on them. They are just numbers, nothing depends on them. No luck or bad luck, no sucsess or happiness depends on them. Numbers can do nothing.

I hope I am clear enough. To have more clear idea, just think what Number 13 means for Jews and Number 666 for Cristians. Do we have such number(s)? NO!

[o'zbek]

Black,what do you think about 40?
There are some narratives about 40 days chilla, 40 rijal, etc.
What will you say about these narratives?

[Black]

Black,what do you think about 40?
There are some narratives about 40 days chilla, 40 rijal, etc.
What will you say about these narratives?

Assalam alaykum brother.

Which narratives do you mean? Can you post them here (ayats, hadises)? Any other narrations except these two sources - Qur'an and Hadis are not reliable. So, if there is anything about this number (40) and other numbers in Qur'an or in Hadis bring them on, let us see them and discuss.

Of course, there are many numbers mentioned in Qur'an and Hadises. There are a lot of hadises which says " Avoid three (or four or etc) sins (and then a list of them) and follow three (or four or more) good deeds (and a list of them)." But, what do these hadises specify? Do they specify the numbers or the deeds which muslims should avoid and follow? I think, they specify the latter.
Also, as I remember, there is an ayah in Qur'an, where it says something similar "they are 19". Scholars say that this is the number of angels guarding the hell. Most scholars do not pay much attention to this number. If Allah wanted, He could have made their (angel's) number any other number, or He did not let us know their numbers. So, this is the question of Allah's will, why He chose them to be 19. But, there is a group of people, who went astray from right Path, believing that this number - 19 has something special meaning. They made a lot of interpretations of Qur'an based on this number (19) and rejected some ayats of Qur'an. They say that there are two ayats in Qur'an (namely last two ayats of suratul "Tavbah") which does not support their "proof" of originality of Qur'an, thus they claim that those ayats were added later. This deviant group is called "19 ers (Ninetiners - O'n to'qqizchilar). Pay attention, they are rejecting Qur'an, the Qur'an we have today, we believe that it is as original as it was sent to Muhammad :saws:. They say that Qur'an is corrupted, while Allah promised in Qur'an that He will keep His Book intact (unchanged, uncorrupted) until the Qiyamah. And the reason of this devaince is their believe that the number 19 has something special meaning.
So, pls brother be careful of giving special meanings to numbers, symbols and etc., which is not specified in Qur'an and Hadises. We believe that there are 7 skies (7 osmon), but is there any indication that number "7" is here have special meaning? Are there 7 skies because of the number 7 or because of Allah's will Who chose it to be so?

I do not claim that I am right 100%. If anyone has proofs (ayats and Hadises) that prove that there are numbers with special meanings, let him share with us. Until that, there is no reason to believe and seek for special meanings of numbers. We are better of thinking about the fullfilment of our duties (fardhs we have to do) before Allah, in which we are far from perfect.

[Aziz]

41 + 73 = 114 (soorat)? :rolleyes:

what does the number 73 represent???
this reminds me with something I was told about in 8th grade I think...
They said if you put your left palm over your right palm and look at them you can find the following:
the lines in your left palm look like the number 81 "in arabic" and the lines in your right palm look like 18. So:
81+18=99 "names of Allah"...
81-18=63 "prophet's age"...
This could be just a coincidence. I mean it doesn't have something holy about it. For example if you stand while you're spreading your two arms you will look like a cross...does this make you a Christian???

[Alouddin]

what does the number 73 represent???
in this particular situation - it stands for a part of the joke :)

[napmor]

Here are some thoughts about the number 19.

bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1006561

As far as I know, there is no official symbolism in Islam. In other words, there is no special numbers which carries any religious meannings. All those 7s, 13s, 40s, 41s and etc. are not Islamic. There is no Important number in Islam!

This is what I know and believe so far. If anybody has otherwise information, share it.

[Aziz]

Here are some thoughts about the number 19.

bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1006561

So what are we supposed to do???
repeat 19 for 19 times....or what?
in my opinion this can be manipulated using any number...

[Black]

Here are some thoughts about the number 19.

bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1006561

Could you please post all article here, because we can not open BBC in Uzbekistan.

Thanks.

P.S. As for the number 19, or the deviant sect "19ers" read my previous post.

[Qarama]

Could you please post all article here, because we can not open BBC in Uzbekistan.

Thanks.

P.S. As for the number 19, or the deviant sect "19ers" read my previous post.

Islam, Numerology and the Number 19
The Quran is the religious book of the Muslims. They believe it to be God's exact word to us in his last revelation. The Quran is split in to suras (chorus) and the suras are made up from ayaats (or verses).

Numerology, meanwhile, is the ancient art of divining meaning from numbers.

The Quran and the Number 19
Sura Al Muddaththir - the cloaked one (74:30) - simply says 'above it are 19'. What is this '19' it talks about? Well in this entry we will be dealing with one of two meanings. On prophet Muhammad's first visit to the cave, where the ayaats and suras where revealed to him, he was given five ayaats; on his second visit he was given 14 ayaats, making 19 ayaats so far. After uttering the word '19' of the above ayaat, a sura of 19 ayaats was completed. The first ayaat of the very first revelation (96:1-5) has just 19 words. These 19 words consist of exactly 76 letters. 19x4=76. If we started counting backwards from the last sura (114) we will find that sura 96 is the 19th sura from the end of the Quran. There are 114 suras, which is 19x6. Many people say this is just coincidence. So far we have five 'coincidences' - there are more to come.

The Seal of the Suras
Each sura has a 'seal', which is found at the beginning of each sura. All the suras have to rhyme in Arabic with the 'seal'. The seal is a phrase, Bismillah-Rahmanir-Rahim which means 'In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful'. In Arabic it is spelt with 19 letters (not including repetitions). Have you tried writing a book of poetry with each poem starting with the same sentence, which is exactly 19 letters long?

The Quran has 114 suras, all of which start and rhyme with this 19-letter sentence. The Arabic words for 'name', 'god', 'his most gracious' and 'the most merciful' make up the 'seal'. As we know in Arabic, the seal has 19 letters in it but each individual word appears in the Quran a number of times: 'Name' appears 19 times; 'God' appears 2698 times (19x142); 'The most gracious' appears 57 times (19x3); 'The most merciful' appears 114 times (19x6).

Is this coincidence? The fact is, Muhammad could not write, so how could he keep track of all this.

The Missing Seal
As already noted, this 'seal' appears on every sura, apart from one - sura 9. This is because sura 9 describes severe grievous penalties to those who reject faith. If the seal had been used on that sura, it would, in effect, contradict itself. But not including it means that the Quran is short by one, meaning it's not a multiple of 19. This quota is, however, made up elsewhere, in sura Naml ayaat 30, which reads:

It is from Solomon, and is (as follows): In the name of god, most gracious, most merciful.

So the 'seal' is repeated in another sura to make up the 114 needed.

[Qarama]

Muqataat
The holy Quran is the only book that has certain chapters (suras) that have specific initials - called 'muqataat'. These initials seemed to have no meaning. Only 14 of the Arabic letters of the alphabet are used. These 14 letters are constituted into 14 different combinations. Only 29 suras have these letters on them. 14+14+29=57. 57=19x3

Bismillah - the section of the seal that refers to the name of God, is made up of ten letters in Arabic, not including repetitions, of which nine are common with the muqataat. The Arabic letter for 'B' is not used. 10+(10-1)=19.

Sura al qalam (68) contains a muqataat letter, 'nun' or 'n' in English. If you count how many times 'nun' appears in that sura, you will find there are 133 of them - 133=19x7.

Suras 50 and 42 contain the letter 'qaf'. Sura 42 has a five-letter combination ending with qaf. Lets just look at this sura first. If we add all the 'ha's, 'mmin's, 'ain's, 'sin's and 'qaf's we get a total of 570. 570=19x30).

Now, let's focus on 'qaf'.

Suras 42 and 50 have 'qaf' as a common denominator. There are 57 'qaf's in sura 50 and 57 'qaf's in sura 42. 57=19x3. 57+57=114=19x6. Scholars think that 'qaf' may mean 'Quran', hence 114 as that are one for every sura. There is an average of one use of the word 'god' (Allah) for every 2.5 ayaats; if one sentence is deleted or added then this preserving system would be for nothing. This is one of the ways historians can prove the Quran remains the same as it was the day it was first written down.

We have, without doubt, sent down the message, and we will assuredly guard if (from corruption).
Al hijr the rocky tract (15:9).

Suras 7,19 and 38 have the common dominator 'sad'. The total numbers of 'sad's in these three ayaats is 152. 152=19x8.

In fact, every one of the muqataat letters can be reduced to a domination of 19. Even on suras that contain four or five of these letters.

Sura 7 contains 'alif' (2529 times), 'lam' (1530 times), 'mim' (1164 times) and 'sad' (97 times). Add them all up and you get 5320, which is 19 x 280.

Sura 19 contains 'kaf' (137 times), 'ha' (175 times), 'ya' (345 times), 'ain' (117 times) and 'sad' (26 times). Add them all together and you get 796, or 19x42.

Six suras have 'alif', 'lam' and 'min' as initials.
Sura No. Min Lam Alif
2 2195 3202 4502
3 1249 1892 2521
29 344 554 774
30 317 393 544
31 173 297 347
32 158 155 257
Totals 4436 6493 8945

Add them together and you get 19874 = 19x1076. Oh, and remembering the six suras as well, 6x19=114.

How can Muhammad, the busiest man of his time, a man who could neither read nor write, work out such an intricate mathematical code for the Quran? It is surely beyond the limits of mere coincidence.

This entry has only given you one half of the Quran's mathematics, as the 19 figures elsewhere too....

More Maths on a lower scale
After dealing with the above we come across another interesting thing in the Quran. That is, it balances out what it says. For instance, the word 'sermon' is mentioned 25 times and, as the sermon is spoken, the word 'tongue' is also mentioned 25 times. This could be put down to coincidence but the list is quite extensive to be occur just by chance. For example:

* 'Desire' eight times - 'Fear' eight times.
* 'Speaking publicly' 18 - 'Publicising' 18 times.
* 'Hardship' 114 - 'Patience' 114 times.
* 'Mohammad' four - 'Shariah'1 four times.
* 'Man' 24 - 'Woman' 24 times.
* 'Dunia' (one word for life) 115 - 'Aakhira' (one word for the hearafter) 115 times.
* 'Malayika' (angels) 88 - 'Shaytan '(Satan) 88 times.
* 'Life' 145 - 'death' 145 times.
* 'Benefit' 50 - 'corruption' 50 times.
* 'People' 50 - 'messengers' 50 times.
* 'Magic' 60 - Fitnah (misdirection) 60.
* 'Zakat' (Tax on Muslims given to the poor) 32 - 'Baraka' (increasing the blessing of wealth) 32.
* 'Mind' 49 - 'Nur' (light) 49.

The word 'Salat' (or 'prayer') appears five times in the Quran and it is compulsory to do five prayers a day. 'Month' appears 12 times, 'Day' appears 365 times.

Even more oddly than that the word sea appears '32' times, while the word 'land' appears 13 times.

* 32+13= 45
* Percentage of sea = 32/45 x 100 = 71.1 percent
* Percentage of land = 42/32 x 100 = 28.9 percent.

Modern science has only discovered comparatively recently that water covers 71.1 percent of the earth and that land covers 28.9 percent. Weighing up every thing said so far, can it all be put down to coincidence? Many feel that this goes some way to proving that the Quran is the word of God.

May Allah be pleased with this humble effort.

[napmor]

Could you please post all article here, because we can not open BBC in Uzbekistan.

Thanks.

P.S. As for the number 19, or the deviant sect "19ers" read my previous post.


Holiq Nurboqiyning(agar adashmasam) o'zbekchaga tarjima qilingan "Qur'onning ilmiy mo'jizalari" degan kitobida ham 19 soni haqida yozilgan. Agar shu kitobni topa olsangiz juda ham qiziqarli boshqa ma'lumotlar ham berilgan.

[Qarama]

so the number 41 has nothing to do with our Religion?
i know for example numbers like 7(ler) 40(lar) or 100 bashi 1.000 bashi are military terms in modernTurkey even Amir Timur used this terms.