Forumni to'liq o'zbekchalashtirish.

[AlbanDra]

Forumni to'liq o'zbekchalashtirsak.Buni imkoni bormi ? Miso, log in-kirish va shunga o'xshagan. menimcha yaxshi bo'lardi.

[kitayoza]

Forumni to'liq o'zbekchalashtirsak.Buni imkoni bormi ? Miso, log in-kirish va shunga o'xshagan. menimcha yaxshi bo'lardi.

bizani ma'qullash yoki nemaqullashimizdan qandaydur poyda bo'ladi deb o'ylatsizmi AlbanDrabek?!:D

[wyxpat]

Buni imkoniyati bor: vBulletin'ni tarjima qilish kerak. Ko'p vaqt yoki ko'pchilik yoki ko'pro pul kerak :D

[LIBRA]

men ham ''butunlay o'zbekchalashtirish'' tarafdoriman... Lekin Turkcha forum turkchaligicha qolaversa yaxshi bo'ladi. Chunki o'zbekchani bilmaganlar ham bor oralarida. Lekin eng. va ruscha yozadigan O'ZBEK userlarimiz butunlay o'zbekcha yozsalar yaxshi bo'lar edi

[wyxpat]

LIBRA,

"Forumni o'zbekchalashtirish" deganda hamma foydalanuvchilarni o'zbekcha yozishga majburlash va/yoki bo'lim nomlarini o'zbekchalashtirish emas, balki funksiyonal tugma/iboralarni o'zbek tiliga tarjima qilish nazarda tutilyapti.

[LIBRA]

uzr, men noto'g'ri tushunibman unda... Lekin o'z fikrimni o'zgartirmoqchi emasman =)

[wyxpat]

zotan o'zgartirishga hojat yo'q... =))

[n0xyl]

всё начинается с маленького, сегодня форум полностью перевести на узбекский, завтра всех кто не знает национальный язык вон из узбекистана?

шовинизм не пройдёт!

[wyxpat]

А когда все на английском - это не шовинизм, а современность да? Ну-и логика у Вас, г-н n0xyl.

[n0xyl]

А когда все на английском - это не шовинизм, а современность да? Ну-и логика у Вас, г-н n0xyl.

Это не является шовинизмом, потому что в форуме участвуют много людей которые не владеют узбекским языком(русские, турки, казахи, кыргызы, азербайджанцы и др. ), а английский язык является универсальным языком понятным для большинства пользователей.

[wyxpat]

а кто говорил, мы хотим чтобы английский убрали?

[PainKiller]

My position is-Negative.
-It will create division within our small online community. Remember, not everybody from Uzbekistan speaks Uzbek;
-Forum already has the language preference feature. For example, I use the Russian version of it.
-Too much headache for the administrator who already doesn't get paid for the job he does.
Leave it the way it is.

[Ma'ruf]

My position is-Negative.
-It will create division within our small online community. Remember, not everybody from Uzbekistan speaks Uzbek;-Forum already has the language preference feature. For example, I use the Russian version of it.
-Too much headache for the administrator who already doesn't get paid for the job he does.
Leave it the way it is.

O'zbekchani bilmaganlar O'zbekchani o'rgansin bo'lmasa...Minority dictatorship bo'lib qolmaydimi unda?Nimaga endi aholini ma'lum bir kichik foizi O'zbekchani bilmasa,hamma boshqa tildagi prog-ni ishlatish kerey?Man bu bilan forum o'zbekchalashtiraylik demoqchi emasman.Balki,progr-ni tarjima qilib hammaga tanlash huquqini berish kerey.

[Maroon]

O'zbekchani bilmaganlar O'zbekchani o'rgansin bo'lmasa...Minority dictatorship bo'lib qolmaydimi unda?Nimaga endi aholini ma'lum bir kichik foizi O'zbekchani bilmasa,hamma boshqa tildagi prog-ni ishlatish kerey?Man bu bilan forum o'zbekchalashtiraylik demoqchi emasman.Balki,progr-ni tarjima qilib hammaga tanlash huquqini berish kerey.


There are a lot of Uzbekistanis who left the country ages ago, and why whould they learn Uzbek when it is not necessary? Please be reminded that this a forum for all Uzbekistanis from all over the world.

[PainKiller]

O'zbekchani bilmaganlar O'zbekchani o'rgansin bo'lmasa...Minority dictatorship bo'lib qolmaydimi unda?Nimaga endi aholini ma'lum bir kichik foizi O'zbekchani bilmasa,hamma boshqa tildagi prog-ni ishlatish kerey?Man bu bilan forum o'zbekchalashtiraylik demoqchi emasman.Balki,progr-ni tarjima qilib hammaga tanlash huquqini berish kerey.

Forum tashlik topganda, Uni tashkil kilgan odamlar Ingliz tilini bilgan talabalar bulishgan. Forum o'sdi, kattaydi, forum bilan birga uning azolarining ham soni ko'paydi. Lekin Megaz va boshka moderatorlar, shu o'tgan vakt ichida, ataylab shu forumni Uzbeklar forumi emas, Uzbekiston forumi deb atashdi va shu narsaga urg'u berishdi. Sabab, Uzbekistonimiz baynalminal, turli kiyofa va korinishlarga ega. Tojiklar, Rusiy zabon Rus, Ukrain, Koreec, Arman, Tatar va boshka millatlardan tashkil topgan. Forum Uzbekistondan, adashmasam yopilgan. Forumga kurguvchilarning katta kismi Uzbekiston hududidan tashkari davlatlarda istikomat kilishadi, va Ingliz yoki Rus tilida mulokot olib borishga kurblari etadi. Bu bilan, Hamma Ingliz tilida gapiradi deganim yok. Forumga sign in va password degan joylariga inglizcha harf bilan log in kilib, hali hech kimni ota-go'ri kozihona bolganini kormadim. Bundan tashkari, forumga, Yurtimizning madaniyati, tarihi, ijtimoiy ahvolini urganish uchun, turli millat vakillari tashrif buyurishadi. Turli savollar bilan kirib kolgan ajnabiy userlarimiz postlarini okigan bulsangiz kerak:D Forumni umuman uzbekchalashtirsangiz, siz uzingiz bilan tashki dunyo orasida devol kurib koygan bulasiz. Til Bar'eri. Bundan hech kim foyda topmaydi.
PS. Administratorimizni ham oilasi bor. Shu endi utirib butun boshli forumni uzbekchalashtirishlari koluvdi.
Salomat buling.
PPS. Log indan sung, Ana, Hohlagancha uzbekcha gapirsangiz, uzbekcha mavzu ochib, ozbekcha sher yozsangiz ham hech kim toskinlik kilmaydi, sezgan bolsangiz. Ana, siz bilan bir chiroyli gaplashib utiribmiz uzbekchada.

[Ma'ruf]

Forum tashlik topganda, Uni tashkil kilgan odamlar Ingliz tilini bilgan talabalar bulishgan. Forum o'sdi, kattaydi, forum bilan birga uning azolarining ham soni ko'paydi. Lekin Megaz va boshka moderatorlar, shu o'tgan vakt ichida, ataylab shu forumni Uzbeklar forumi emas, Uzbekiston forumi deb atashdi va shu narsaga urg'u berishdi. Sabab, Uzbekistonimiz baynalminal, turli kiyofa va korinishlarga ega. Tojiklar, Rusiy zabon Rus, Ukrain, Koreec, Arman, Tatar va boshka millatlardan tashkil topgan. Forum Uzbekistondan, adashmasam yopilgan. Forumga kurguvchilarning katta kismi Uzbekiston hududidan tashkari davlatlarda istikomat kilishadi, va Ingliz yoki Rus tilida mulokot olib borishga kurblari etadi. Bu bilan, Hamma Ingliz tilida gapiradi deganim yok. Forumga sign in va password degan joylariga inglizcha harf bilan log in kilib, hali hech kimni ota-go'ri kozihona bolganini kormadim. Bundan tashkari, forumga, Yurtimizning madaniyati, tarihi, ijtimoiy ahvolini urganish uchun, turli millat vakillari tashrif buyurishadi. Turli savollar bilan kirib kolgan ajnabiy userlarimiz postlarini okigan bulsangiz kerak:D Forumni umuman uzbekchalashtirsangiz, siz uzingiz bilan tashki dunyo orasida devol kurib koygan bulasiz. Til Bar'eri. Bundan hech kim foyda topmaydi.
PS. Administratorimizni ham oilasi bor. Shu endi utirib butun boshli forumni uzbekchalashtirishlari koluvdi.
Salomat buling.
PPS. Log indan sung, Ana, Hohlagancha uzbekcha gapirsangiz, uzbekcha mavzu ochib, ozbekcha sher yozsangiz ham hech kim toskinlik kilmaydi, sezgan bolsangiz. Ana, siz bilan bir chiroyli gaplashib utiribmiz uzbekchada.

Ma'qul.Nima demoqchi bo'lganizi anglab yetdim, manimcha.

P.S. Lekin vBulletinni O'zbekcha varianti foydadan holi bo'lmas edi deb o'ylayman.Ya'ni,boshqa ''g'irt'' O'zbek forumlarga.

Noodles aka,siz bunaqa narsalarni yahshi tushunardiz shekilli. Shuni tarjima qilish judayaaaam qiyinmi yo juda qiyinmi?:)

[PainKiller]

Ma'qul.Nima demoqchi bo'lganizi anglab yetdim, manimcha.

P.S. Lekin vBulletinni O'zbekcha varianti foydadan holi bo'lmas edi deb o'ylayman.Ya'ni,boshqa ''g'irt'' O'zbek forumlarga.

Noodles aka,siz bunaqa narsalarni yahshi tushunardiz shekilli. Shuni tarjima qilish judayaaaam qiyinmi yo juda qiyinmi?:)
Buni ilojisi bulsa kerak. Man bilan forum, misol uchun, rus tilida muloqot olib boradi. Language preferenceni optiondan tugirlab koygan edim ruschaga. Uzbekchaga ham tugirlasa bolsa kerak.
PS. O'tmishdan bir gap, internet va komputer terminlarini uzbekchaga tarjima kilsa, juda ham g'alati va umuman baribir tushunarsiz bulib koladi. G'irt uzbeklar uchun, forumni kanday tarjima kilish mumkin?
Quote?
MediaWiki,
Navigaciya?

[Ma'ruf]

Buni ilojisi bulsa kerak. Man bilan forum, misol uchun, rus tilida muloqot olib boradi. Language preferenceni optiondan tugirlab koygan edim ruschaga. Uzbekchaga ham tugirlasa bolsa kerak.
PS. O'tmishdan bir gap, internet va komputer terminlarini uzbekchaga tarjima kilsa, juda ham g'alati va umuman baribir tushunarsiz bulib koladi. G'irt uzbeklar uchun, forumni kanday tarjima kilish mumkin?
Quote?
MediaWiki,
Navigaciya?

Mana asl O'zbekcha forum:http://forum.ziyouz.com/ Shu yerda ba'zi tarjimalarni ko'ra olasiz.

[wyxpat]

Odamlar, bir narsani to'g'ri tushunaylik: hech kim ingliz tilidan voz kechaylik demayapti. Siz aytganizdek, hamma o'zbekcha bilmaydi. Shu bilan bir qatorda hamma ham ingliz yoki rus tilini bilmaydi.

Bu yerda o'rtaga tashlanayotgan taklif "forumning o'zbekcha versiyasi ham bo'lsa yaxshi bo'lar edi" xolos. Hech kim ingliz yoki rus tilini olib tashlansin deyotgani yo'q.

[noodles]

Odamlar, bir narsani to'g'ri tushunaylik: hech kim ingliz tilidan voz kechaylik demayapti. Siz aytganizdek, hamma o'zbekcha bilmaydi. Shu bilan bir qatorda hamma ham ingliz yoki rus tilini bilmaydi.

Bu yerda o'rtaga tashlanayotgan taklif "forumning o'zbekcha versiyasi ham bo'lsa yaxshi bo'lar edi" xolos. Hech kim ingliz yoki rus tilini olib tashlansin deyotgani yo'q.

Qaniydi shuni hamma tushunsa. Biron-bir masala o'rtaga tashlandimi, tamom, masalaning asl mohiyati nimada ekanligini tushunib ulgurmasdan, darrov dod-faryod ko'tarib, mavzu ishtirockhilarini esi past yoki millatchiga chiqarib o'tirishaveradi. Forumchilarimizga qoyil qolaman. Menimcha bunga sabab ba'zi forumchilarning o'ta aqlliligidan yoki o'ta aqllilik qilishga intilishidandir.

Haqiqatdan ham men o'zbek tilidan bo'lak tillarni yo'qotaylik, yoki boshqa millat vakillarini forumdan quvaylik ma'nosida bironta ham post topa olmadim(ushbu mavzu tarkibida). Qanday qilib ba'zilar bu narsani uqib olishdi, hayronman.

O'zbekchalashtirish masalasiga kelsak, buni amalga oshirish mumkin. Hech qanday qiyin tomoni yo'q. Faqatgina hohish, istak bo'lsin.

Juda ham aqlli forumchilarga ochiqlab bermoqchiman, forum o'zbek tiliga tarjima qilingan taqdirda ham, bu mavjud forum moslamalariga qo'shimcha sifatida biriktiriladi. Ya'ni, faqat hohlovchilargina forumning "ko'rinishini" o'zbekchaga moslab olgan holda ishlatishlari mumkin bo'ladi. Hech kimni o'zbek tilidagi versiyasidan foydalanasan deb majburlash niyati yo'q. Boshqa millat vakillarini ham forumdan haydash niyati yo'q. Aksincha, qancha ko'p millat vakillari ushbu forumda ishtirok etsa, hamma uchun birdek foyda bo'ladi.

Agar ushbu postim mana shu mavzu borasida o'z fikrini bildirgan ba'zi-bir ishtirokchi uchun qattiq botsa, o'z postlaringizni yana bir-bor o'qib chiqishingizni so'rayman.

[PainKiller]

Dear noodles,
I am not sure whether my post added to your frustration level, but Me, without any negative thoughts left here what crossed my mind.
Forumni to'liq o'zbekchalashtirish-Polnost'yu perevesti forum na Uzbekskiy, To totally change Forum into Uzbek deb tushunibman. Javobga o'pkalamen, savolni aniqroq beringlar))
Uzr, kimga qattiq tegib ketgan bolsa.

[wyxpat]

to'liq - do konca (chala-yarim qilmasdan, oxirigacha)
butunlay - polnost'yu

o'zbek tili stilistikasidan zaiflik pand bergan ko'rinadi. savol to'g'ri qo'yilgan :)

[SmIlIk]

to'liq - do konca (chala-yarim qilmasdan, oxirigacha)
butunlay - polnost'yu

o'zbek tili stilistikasidan zaiflik pand bergan ko'rinadi. savol to'g'ri qo'yilgan :)

O'rtoq master, unda o'zbekchalashtirish emas, balki o'zbek tiliga moslashtirish yoki qo'shimcha qilib o'zbekcha variantini kirgizish, deb savol qo'yiladi. Masalan, deylik ruslashtirish siyosati deganda sizni aqlingizga birinchi bo'lib nima keladi?

Shuncha odam sizning qo'ygan savolingizni ozgina bo'lsada noto'g'ri tushunayotgan bo'lsa, birinchi postda yaxshilab tushuntirib yozish kerak edi :)

[Madalio'g'li]

O'rtoq master, unda o'zbekchalashtirish emas, balki o'zbek tiliga moslashtirish yoki qo'shimcha qilib o'zbekcha variantini kirgizish, deb savol qo'yiladi. Masalan, deylik ruslashtirish siyosati deganda sizni aqlingizga birinchi bo'lib nima keladi?

Shuncha odam sizning qo'ygan savolingizni ozgina bo'lsada noto'g'ri tushunayotgan bo'lsa, birinchi postda yaxshilab tushuntirib yozish kerak edi :)

:) Nima bo'lsa ham o'zbekchalashtirish fikri yomonmas.

[noodles]

SmIlIk,
Masalan, deylik ruslashtirish siyosati deganda sizni aqlingizga birinchi bo'lib nima keladi?
Bu yerda hech qanday siyosat haqida gapirilmadi.

Umuman olganda o'zbekchalashtirish deganda lokalizatsiya qilish ma'nosida aytilgan. Nimagadur rusifikatsiya deganda hamma ruslashtirish siyosatini emas, rus tiliga o'girish, moslashtirish("ruschalashtirish") deb tushunadi, a o'zbekchalashtirish desa darrov siyosatga tortib ketishadi... bu haligi yuqorida aytib o'tgan sabablar natijasi bo'lsa kerak ;)

[SmIlIk]

SmIlIk,

Bu yerda hech qanday siyosat haqida gapirilmadi.



Men shuhratga out of context tarihiy savol berdim. Buni xech qanday yomon joyi yo'q.


Umuman olganda o'zbekchalashtirish deganda lokalizatsiya qilish ma'nosida aytilgan. Nimagadur rusifikatsiya deganda hamma ruslashtirish siyosatini emas, rus tiliga o'girish, moslashtirish("ruschalashtirish") deb tushunadi, a o'zbekchalashtirish desa darrov siyosatga tortib ketishadi... bu haligi yuqorida aytib o'tgan sabablar natijasi bo'lsa kerak ;)

Ha, biz endi siz yuqorida aytib o'tganingizdek, o'ta aqilli ko'rinishni hohlaganimizdan shunday tushunayotgan bo'lsak kerak. Boshqalarning "ahmoqligini" ko'rsatish uchun sarkazm qilish shart emas, deb o'ylayman. Shuncha user threadning muddaosini noto'g'ri tushungan bo'lsa, thread ochgan odamning vazifasi hamma narsani to'g'ri layout qilib berish.

P.S. Savolga yana yaxshilab e'tibor berinb qarang. O'zbekchalashtirish siyosati haqida xech kim gapirmadi.

[R.Azimov]

Boshqalar qanday fikrlashadi bilmadimkuya, shaxsan men uchun forum yuzidagi "calendar" ning o'rniga "taqvim", yoki "Log Out" ning o'rniga "Tur Jo'na" kabi tarjimalar haqida bahs yuritilganidan ko'ra forum ichida turli tuman mavzularda bahs munozaralar olib borilgani qiziq.




RA

[Demir Kağan]

Why do you guys are discussing that much? Request the default vBulletin language file from the administration and translate it on your own to Uzbek. Then they can add that as a language option so people who want to see the forum in Uzbek can do what they want. :)

[noodles]

Why do you guys are discussing that much? Request the default vBulletin language file from the administration and translate it on your own to Uzbek. Then they can add that as a language option so people who want to see the forum in Uzbek can do what they want.
But some people think that this is a nationalistic idea and this feature may end up compelling non-uzbeks from the forum, which is so stupid :)

anyways, if everything is clear NOW, stop talking the bullshit and let's talk about localization itself. :)

[registoni]

As far as I know when you add a new language file to a web forum (or any web application) it will show this language only when your computer's regional settings are set to that language and country. As most of the people using this forums are located abroad, I doubt that their regional settings say that they are in UZBEKISTAN.
If you set to the country which language does not exists the forums automatically should load the default language (which should be english).
So go ahead and translate the language file into Uzbek and do not forget to set accordingly your regional settings (IE, Firefox settings also have some control of language preference so use them as well) and enjoy clicking your TUGMACHALAR, when KIRISH is done and don't forget to CHIQISH when you are finished to use forums (this is for so called G'IRT UZBEKLAR - our felow countrymen from remote rural areas:)

[Madalio'g'li]

Hay barakalla! 24*ta forumdoshimiz "yo'q" degan.

O'zbek forumida o'zbek tili varianti bo'lishi haqida bahs yuritishning o'zi maqtovga sazovor.

"Tilga e'tibor, elga e'tibor."
Papualiklarni ham juda hurmat qilaman.

* Tuzalitishlar kiritaylik tez tez.

[Royal]

But some people think that this is a nationalistic idea and this feature may end up compelling non-uzbeks from the forum, which is so stupid :)

anyways, if everything is clear NOW, stop talking the bullshit and let's talk about localization itself. :)

eeee....
hech qachon ozbeklarimizni fikri vbir joydan chiqamagan...
chiqishiyam qiyin bosa keray....
jaaa bomaganda : manga bir payitla bundoq devdina dip qoyadi....

boshlaylada tugatila wassalom !!!

huddi forumga yengi ozgarishla kirganda qandoq gap qilishgan bosa oshanchalik gap boladi, undan kopamas...

ezgilagandan kora oshanisi yahshi....

[Demir Kağan]

But some people think that this is a nationalistic idea and this feature may end up compelling non-uzbeks from the forum, which is so stupid :)

anyways, if everything is clear NOW, stop talking the bullshit and let's talk about localization itself. :)

Well, I guess they don't think the other people who doesn't know English but hell yeah, that's globalism right? Damn on nationalism.

But in any way, we can't blame them because they don't know the functionality or the author of the thread asked the whole forum to be in O'zbek. Trust me, that's better for Turkish users who are already gone except 3-5 of us. We prefer to see O'zbek instead an imperial language. I liked it more when the section names changed to O'zbek.

This is for people who doesn't know the functionality:
vBulletin has a language system which can be set via Edit Options in UserCP or the select menu at the bottom of every page. If you translate the language file to any language and if the administration installs it, anyone can use it.

And congratulations to people who doesn't want to see their mother language.

[Vector]

to'liqmas qisman ozbelashtirish kere, ja radikal peremanayam bo'mas?! buyoga ozbek tilini bilmidiganlayam kiradiku.

[noodles]

As far as I know when you add a new language file to a web forum (or any web application) it will show this language only when your computer's regional settings are set to that language and country.
I'm sorry but you're a bit mistaken. I'm not going to talk about other web apps, but in this forum, if there's a new language file added, a user will choose himself from user Options which forum language to use. Forum won't be displayed in a language set on your computer's regional settings. Forum's default language is english so if you don't choose different language from the Options, the forum will be displayed in english.

Anyways, useful feature suggestion has been screwed up.

PS: Do not ever suggest anything on the forum from now on if you don't want to feel to what length our forum users are idiots.

Sorry for my bad english, I know it sux and I know that you rule! Glory, glory, glory - dear forum user!

PSPS: Thread can be closed I think. Thanks for cooperation :)

[uzonline.net]

O`zbek tilini albatta kiritish kerak , shuncha ko`p o`zbekiston forumlarini ko`rasaiz hammasi rus tilida . endi Forum.uz ga o`zbek tili kiritilsa O`zbekcha , Ruscha , Inglizcha uch tilda bo`lsa , har kim o`z hohlagan tilini tanlab forumga kirishi mumkin

endi tarjimasiga kelsak ,menimcha 3 ta odam 15 kun ichda hamma joyini tarjima qilib tugatishi mumkin.....




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[AlbanDra]

faqat vbulletin ni o'zbekcha varyantini yaratsak degandim. tepada aytilganidek hechkimni hech yoqqa quvish niyat yo'q.