Tajik Schoolchildren Under Uzbek Arrest

[Bukharan]

Таджикские школьники будут освобождены в ближайшее время, - МИД РТ
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13.05.2008 15:10
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Автор: Аваз Юлдашев



Душанбе. 13 мая. «Азия-Плюс» - Министерство иностранных дел Таджикистана ведет переговоры с властями Узбекистана по вопросу освобождения таджикских школьников, задержанных пограничниками соседнего государства за незаконное пересечение государственной границы 27 апреля.

Как сообщил «АП» руководитель департамента информации министерства иностранных дел РТ Давлатали Назриев, 7 мая текущего года МИД передал в посольство Узбекистана в Таджикистане копию открытого письма родителей школьников на имя президента Узбекистана, в котором содержится просьба освободить их детей. «В настоящее время вопрос об освобождении школьников находится на стадии решения, и мы надеемся, что в ближайшем будущем власти сопредельного государства пойдут нам навстречу и освободят детей», - подчеркнул представитель МИД.

В свою очередь, в посольстве Узбекистана в Таджикистане отметили, что полученное ими письмо родителей задержанных школьников переправлено в соответствующие ведомства соседнего государства. «Мы надеемся, что инцидент будет исчерпан в ближайшее время», - подчеркнули в узбекском диппредставительстве.

Напомним, 27 апреля 2008 года 31 школьник поселка из Адрасман города Кайраккума Согдийской области решили устроить пикник за пределами своего населенного пункта и неумышленно пересекли государственную границу Узбекистана, в результате чего были задержаны пограничниками соседнего государства. 25 школьников были отпущены и возвратились на родину, а шестеро из них, учащиеся 11 классов, до сих пор остаются в руках соответствующих служб Узбекистана.

http://www2.asiaplus.tj/news/48/31656.html

[WebMonster]

Forum qoidalari bo'yicha qo'yilgan xabarlar qaerdan olinganligi to'g'risida ssilka berish kerak

[Bukharan]

Спецслужбы Узбекистана до сих пор удерживают на своей территории шесть школьников из Согдийской области Таджикистана, незаконно пересекших таджикско-узбекскую границу, сообщил в понедельник "Интерфаксу" источник в спецслужбах Таджикистана. 31 таджикский школьник был задержан 27 апреля в районе поселка Адрасман, что на севере Таджикистана, близ границы с Узбекистаном. Собирая ревень, они пересекли таджикско-узбекскую границу.

Одиннадцатиклассники Бобир Алиматов, Дилшод Абдурахмонов, Илхом Умаров, Шоназир Алимов, Улугбек Холдоров и Бахтиер Турдиматов содержатся в изоляторе на территории Узбекистана и подвергаются допросам, передает Фергана.ру.

Родители подростков обратились с открытым письмом к президенту Узбекистана Исламу Каримову с просьбой вернуть их детей. В письме говорится, что сотрудники узбекских спецслужб "обвиняли детей в том, что они являются шпионами и наркоконтрабандистами, расспрашивали их о наличии родственников в правоохранительных органах, на пограничных заставах, их численности, кто работает в милиции по их месту жительства, в отношении руководства Адрасманского горно-обогатительного комбината, количестве шахт, специалистах, работающих на нем и другое".

More:
http://www.newsru.com/world/12may2008/reven.html

[Bukharan]

It sounds crazy enough and demonstrates Uzbek authorities' schizophrenia and paranoia. At times, they think even cows who cross the border without a transit visa (lol) must be Tajik spies and all wired and bugged; they shoot them to death.

Now kids are espionage suspects. Shame on this regime of hatred.

[WebMonster]

Savol, nimaga 25 ta bolani qo'yvorib aynan shu 6 tasini olib qolishgan ekan.

[Bukharan]

Savol, nimaga 25 ta bolani qo'yvorib aynan shu 6 tasini olib qolishgan ekan.

You better ask the real monsters about that.

Question: Are you defending Uzbek authorities? Do you think the kids were spying as well?

The border has not been demarcated properly yet and many people from both countries fell victim of the vague borders.

[Ma'ruf]

Chegarachilarimizi tomi ketib qopti shekilli.Maktab bollalaridan qanaqa josus chiqadi?

[WebMonster]

You better ask the real monsters about that.

Question: Are you defending Uzbek authorities? Do you think the kids were spying as well?

The border has not been demarcated properly yet and many people from both countries fell victim of the vague borders.

Answer: I am not defending anyone, and don't think that anyone is spying. I am just analyzing the situation.

regards

[Bukharan]

This is simply a recent indicator of Uzbek gov's true quintessence: fascism.

[Ma'ruf]

This is simply a recent indicator of Uzbek gov's true quintessence: fascism.

Da,uspokoisya uzhe.Nikto zhe ne govorit chto oni pravil'no zdelali.Tam naverhu sidyat,samiye nastoyashiye kozli.Kotorim naplevat' na svoih lyudey i na sosedey.

[FREEMINDER]

Waziyatni JOYIDA turib ANIQ (holis) manba'lardan bilmaguncha biror narsa deyish noo'rin: o'zbek chegarachilari haqida ham, maktab bolalari haqida ham. Fakt shu-ki, ular chegarani buzgan(afsuski xozirgi kunda shu chegara degan tushunchaga qattiq urg'u berilmoqda). Qolaversa qonunni bilmaslik javobgarlikdan xalos etmaydi, bolalar, ularga mas'ul bo'lgan insonlar va ayniqsa tojik chegarachilari ularni bu qadar bo'sh qo'yishmasligi kerak edi. Misol uchun chegarag yaqin joyga yashovchi O'zbekiston fuqarosi chegaraga yaqin kelsa albatta birinchi o'rinda o'zbek chegarachilari tomonidan to'xtatiladilar - nima uchun tojik chegarachilari ularning chegara old yerlarida erkin yurishlariga xayrixox bo'lishgan? Aybni awwal o'zligidan qidirganlari ma'qul.
Tojikistondan Afg'on geroini O'zbekistonga kirishi 2 karra 2 dek ayon, shunga bu yerlar qattiq nazorat ostida. Buning ustiga ikki davlat o'rtasidagi aloqalarning keyingi paytta taranglashgani ham bu voqeaning jiddiylashishiga sababdir.

[Ma'ruf]

Waziyatni JOYIDA turib ANIQ (holis) manba'lardan bilmaguncha biror narsa deyish noo'rin: o'zbek chegarachilari haqida ham, maktab bolalari haqida ham. Fakt shu-ki, ular chegarani buzgan(afsuski xozirgi kunda shu chegara degan tushunchaga qattiq urg'u berilmoqda). Qolaversa qonunni bilmaslik javobgarlikdan xalos etmaydi, bolalar, ularga mas'ul bo'lgan insonlar va ayniqsa tojik chegarachilari ularni bu qadar bo'sh qo'yishmasligi kerak edi. Misol uchun chegarag yaqin joyga yashovchi O'zbekiston fuqarosi chegaraga yaqin kelsa albatta birinchi o'rinda o'zbek chegarachilari tomonidan to'xtatiladilar - nima uchun tojik chegarachilari ularning chegara old yerlarida erkin yurishlariga xayrixox bo'lishgan? Aybni awwal o'zligidan qidirganlari ma'qul.
Tojikistondan Afg'on geroini O'zbekistonga kirishi 2 karra 2 dek ayon, shunga bu yerlar qattiq nazorat ostida. Buning ustiga ikki davlat o'rtasidagi aloqalarning keyingi paytta taranglashgani ham bu voqeaning jiddiylashishiga sababdir.

Aka muammo shundaki...o'sha maktab bolalari yurgan yerda chegarani o'zi yo'q. Hech qanaqa belgi yo'q,bu taraf Tojikiston bu taraf O'zbekiston degan. Bir aloqalar taranglashganda va Botken voqealari paytda O'zbekiston hech kimga bildirmastan mina qo'yip tashlagan Tojikiston bilan chegaraga,o'sha minalarda yiliga o'nlab odamlar har yili mayb bo'lishadi.O'sha,har doimgidek o'zimizi O'zbekcha kalho'z variantlar...

[Bukharan]

Da,uspokoisya uzhe.Nikto zhe ne govorit chto oni pravil'no zdelali.Tam naverhu sidyat,samiye nastoyashiye kozli.Kotorim naplevat' na svoih lyudey i na sosedey.

Вот это и имелось ввиду. Спасибо за объективность.

[FREEMINDER]

Botken voqealari paytda
Kamina Farg'ona viloyati So'x tumaniga ayni shu woqealar sabab kommandirovka qilingan edim, albatta vaziyat bir oz tinchigan payt edi. Chegara oldidagi mahalliy aholining chegara qo'shinlari bilan muntazam ravishdagi mojarolariga o'zim ham guvoh bo'lganman. Qolaversa Chashma deb nomlangan joyda chegara shunday olingan edi-ki, kichkinagina ko'chaning u qismi Qirg'iziston bu qismi O'zbekiston: yillab birga yashagan qo'shnilar ikki davlat fuqarosiga aylangandilar. Bu tomonlarning o'z principlarida qattiq turib olishlari mahsuli bo'lsa ajab emas. Bu 1999 kech kuzi-qishidagi vaziyat. Balki xozir o'zgargandur.
Europa Ittifoqi va boshqa bir qator tashkilotlarning bosimi ostida O'zbekiston Tojikiston va Qirg'iziston chegaralariga yaqin yerlaridagi minalashtirilgan joylarni minasizlashtirishni amalga oshirayotgan edi, lekin bu xarakat qay etapda ekanligidan va to'liq minasizlashtirilganmi yoki yo'qmi - bundan xabarim yo'q.

[Bukharan]

Kamina Farg'ona viloyati So'x tumaniga ayni shu woqealar sabab kommandirovka qilingan edim, albatta vaziyat bir oz tinchigan payt edi. Chegara oldidagi mahalliy aholining chegara qo'shinlari bilan muntazam ravishdagi mojarolariga o'zim ham guvoh bo'lganman. Qolaversa Chashma deb nomlangan joyda chegara shunday olingan edi-ki, kichkinagina ko'chaning u qismi Qirg'iziston bu qismi O'zbekiston: yillab birga yashagan qo'shnilar ikki davlat fuqarosiga aylangandilar. Bu tomonlarning o'z principlarida qattiq turib olishlari mahsuli bo'lsa ajab emas. Bu 1999 kech kuzi-qishidagi vaziyat. Balki xozir o'zgargandur.
Europa Ittifoqi va boshqa bir qator tashkilotlarning bosimi ostida O'zbekiston Tojikiston va Qirg'iziston chegaralariga yaqin yerlaridagi minalashtirilgan joylarni minasizlashtirishni amalga oshirayotgan edi, lekin bu xarakat qay etapda ekanligidan va to'liq minasizlashtirilganmi yoki yo'qmi - bundan xabarim yo'q.

Hi Freeminder,

All you said might be true. But what's happening now concerns neither Islamic militants (mines were justified with their threat) nor narcotics. They are just schoolchildren, being interrogated as spies. How coward a government has to be to deal with kids in such a way?

[FREEMINDER]

Bukharan

Наши с Вами посты не поможгут этим детям на данный момент. И вообще, кричать во всех углах что Власти Узбекистана такие-сякие(это я заметил прочитав многие Ваши посты) не является оптимальным решением данного вопроса.
Советую Вам действовать более эффективными методами в пути сближении двух наций, как я заметил является Вашим приоритетом, которые бы изменили взгляды Властей обоих стран.

[SAMARKANDI!]

We all know that Karimov's government is complete disaster, from top to bottom currupt. We know this very well, most uzbeks i mean.

But what we may not know WELL is how tadjik government is treating its people. Can u also inform us with as much enthusiasm and information as you have put on uzbek gov, how tadjik government is handling its responsibilities before its people. f.e. any ideas what these school kids were running from?

thank u.

[Bukharan]

Bukharan

Наши с Вами посты не поможгут этим детям на данный момент. И вообще, кричать во всех углах что Власти Узбекистана такие-сякие(это я заметил прочитав многие Ваши посты) не является оптимальным решением данного вопроса.
Советую Вам действовать более эффективными методами в пути сближении двух наций, как я заметил является Вашим приоритетом, которые бы изменили взгляды Властей обоих стран.

Freeminder

Спасибо за хороший совет.

I'm sure you are able to keep your mind free of prejudice and wouldn't mind if things are called by their right names.

I don't believe that by keeping quiet anything would improve either; nor am I convinced that our silence serves anyone but the dictators. If there is a problem that hinders our peaceful life, it should be pointed out and its factors should be named and shamed.

Hope you get what I mean.

[Bukharan]

We all know that Karimov's government is complete disaster, from top to bottom currupt. We know this very well, most uzbeks i mean.

But what we may not know WELL is how tadjik government is treating its people. Can u also inform us with as much enthusiasm and information as you have put on uzbek gov, how tadjik government is handling its responsibilities before its people. f.e. any ideas what these school kids were running from?

thank u.

Those school children were not running anywhere. They were walking along the border and had not even noticed when they'd crossed into the neighbour's territory as there are no signs there. Thank God, they didn't trip Uzbek mines that still rife on border and take lives.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Those school children were not running anywhere. They were walking along the border and had not even noticed when they'd crossed into the neighbour's territory as there are no signs there. Thank God, they didn't trip Uzbek mines that still rife on border and take lives.

Well ok, if not here, hope u will inform us about tadjik government in one of ur new informative threads.

It is still interesting though, if people got injured or killed before cuz of those mines, why would anyone even go to that kind of place. I assume that sort of dangerous areas should be well known and avoided from. By that I am not conceding with uzbek gov or their accusations, i am just not convinced that they were simply strolling around such well known dangerous area.

[uzbekcfa2]

anyone(doesnt matter if its a child or a grown up person, male, female etc) who crosses the border illegaly should be detained by law. so whats the big deal about it? if those schoolchildren were arrested, there was a reason. you are a very big mouth guy on forum, bukharan, who sits and tries to create conflict between uzbeks and tajiks. i think either some uzbek took shit out of you or something is wrong with your brain.

[uzbekcfa2]

It sounds crazy enough and demonstrates Uzbek authorities' schizophrenia and paranoia. At times, they think even cows who cross the border without a transit visa (lol) must be Tajik spies and all wired and bugged; they shoot them to death.

Now kids are espionage suspects. Shame on this regime of hatred.


stop bitching. nobody suspects them of espionage. the fact that they crossed the border illegally is enough to get arrested. or do you think they should say: assalom aleykum, hush omaded?

[Bukharan]

Well ok, if not here, hope u will inform us about tadjik government in one of ur new informative threads.

It is still interesting though, if people got injured or killed before cuz of those mines, why would anyone even go to that kind of place. I assume that sort of dangerous areas should be well known and avoided from. By that I am not conceding with uzbek gov or their accusations, i am just not convinced that they were simply strolling around such well known dangerous area.

By that you are simply defending the fascist regime. Add to your information that the border is too long and not been demarcated yet. Uzbekistan has mined the border unilaterally. How can you defend those acts? And what do you think 26 kids were doing there? Are you suggesting that the kids were agents of a partisan reconnaissance operation?

What and why are you defending in this case now? Don't you think that your tricks of launching verbal attacks to conceal your weak argumentation are well-known throughout the forum by now?

[Bukharan]

stop bitching. nobody suspects them of espionage. the fact that they crossed the border illegally is enough to get arrested. or do you think they should say: assalom aleykum, hush omaded?

This is what I call a bitchy attitude. If you can't speak in a human language ef off right now. Plus, you should feel embarrassed for defending the government's fascist measures.

In civilised countries this kind of incidents doesn't occur. Because all borders are definite and clear. But if it does, I'm sure, none of them would be arrested. And perhaps the kids will be welcomed for a while indeed to be seen off later on the same day.

Do you think they have to keep them in custody for as long as it takes and interrogate them as spies?

[Bukharan]

anyone(doesnt matter if its a child or a grown up person, male, female etc) who crosses the border illegaly should be detained by law. so whats the big deal about it? if those schoolchildren were arrested, there was a reason. you are a very big mouth guy on forum, bukharan, who sits and tries to create conflict between uzbeks and tajiks. i think either some uzbek took shit out of you or something is wrong with your brain.

This tactic is quite familiar to me. Samarqandi! enjoys resorting to it as soon as he runs out of reasonable arguments. Your messages are off topic and will be ignored. Go and wash yourself now.

[WebMonster]

Buharan, do you know these children, or do you know the people who have arrested them and how and why they did it? Were you present at the moment of their arrest or at the moment of "their interrogation as spy"? You have read a couple of articles on the internet and gugding the situation based on those articles, and you are demandin others to be objective. So pleease, beobjective, find teh primary sources from the both sides and find out the real picture of the situation, then describe it to us and demand to be objective. Beleive me, if you will succeed to do this, you'll convince alot of users of this forum that you are right. Otherwise, all your claims are just empty talks...

Regards

[SAMARKANDI!]

By that you are simply defending the fascist regime. Add to your information that the border is too long and not been demarcated yet. Uzbekistan has mined the border unilaterally. How can you defend those acts? And what do you think 26 kids were doing there? Are you suggesting that the kids were agents of a partisan reconnaissance operation?

What and why are you defending in this case now? Don't you think that your tricks of launching verbal attacks to conceal your weak argumentation are well-known throughout the forum by now?



I dont think it is possible to converse with u normally. All u do is accuse a person of smth if he contradicts or questions ur logic and fabricate stuff against him using ur phobic mind.

Here the fact to above statement
I clearly stated that I am not conceding with uzbek gov's actions and instead of answering the question (which always happens when u dont have any proof or knowledge) you start your personal accusations.

FYI, I am not defending anyone, i am simply curious about the situation and asked some logical questions that every normal person would ask who doesnt look at everything with tadjik nationalism or hatred against uzbeks.

So rather than insulting someone, answer the question, or if u dont know, just say its beyond my limited mind or I am too clouded with nationalism to properly respond.

p.s. I honestly think that u r a girl.

[Bukharan]

Ignored.

PS: Is your mother a woman? And is your sex stuck in the between?

I dont think it is possible to converse with u normally. All u do is accuse a person of smth if he contradicts or questions ur logic and fabricate stuff against him using ur phobic mind.

Here the fact to above statement
I clearly stated that I am not conceding with uzbek gov's actions and instead of answering the question (which always happens when u dont have any proof or knowledge) you start your personal accusations.

FYI, I am not defending anyone, i am simply curious about the situation and asked some logical questions that every normal person would ask who doesnt look at everything with tadjik nationalism or hatred against uzbeks.

So rather than insulting someone, answer the question, or if u dont know, just say its beyond my limited mind or I am too clouded with nationalism to properly respond.

p.s. I honestly think that u r a girl.

[Bukharan]

Buharan, do you know these children, or do you know the people who have arrested them and how and why they did it? Were you present at the moment of their arrest or at the moment of "their interrogation as spy"? You have read a couple of articles on the internet and gugding the situation based on those articles, and you are demandin others to be objective. So pleease, beobjective, find teh primary sources from the both sides and find out the real picture of the situation, then describe it to us and demand to be objective. Beleive me, if you will succeed to do this, you'll convince alot of users of this forum that you are right. Otherwise, all your claims are just empty talks...

Regards

WebMonster,

It has been reported by several agencies since few days ago and I posted 2 reports dating yesterday and today. As any other news. Based on your argumentation, we can't believe that, say, there was a war in Tajikistan, because we didn't see that with our own eyes. Or even better, there is no Antarctica, cuz we've never been there.

The news is going on for a few days and I wonder how come you were not aware of it. The fact of interrogation has been reported by officials and they are named. If it wasn't true, all agencies were supposed to be in a court by now.

Cheers

[Bukharan]

WebMonster and all other sceptic dudes. Have a look at this relevant info too. The source is BBC:

Узбекистан задержал таджикских школьников, которые случайно перешли границу

13.05.2008 10:47

МИД Таджикистана продолжает вести переговоры с узбекской стороной об освобождении шести таджикских школьников, задержанных пограничниками Узбекистана за незаконный переход границы.

В главном управлении погранвойск государственного комитета национальной безопасности Таджикистана сообщили, что переговорный процесс продолжается. Начальник пресс-службы КНБ Хушнуд Рахматуллаев потвердил, что таджикские школьники действительно пересекли узбекскую границу и были задержаны на территории соседнего государства.

"Сейчас мы не может давать никаких оценок действиям узбекских пограничников. Считаю, что конфликт почти исчерпан. Большая часть детей освобождена. Судьба еще шестерых решается", - заявил Би-би-си Хушнуд Рахматуллаев.

Группа таджикских школьников, состоящая из 31 человека, была задержана пограничниками соседней страны в конце апреля на таджикско-узбекской границе в Согдийской области, расположенной на севере Таджикистана. Инцидент произошел в воскресный день, когда дети вышли на пикник и не заметили, как оказались на территории Узбекистана. Позже узбекская сторона на пограничном посту "Ойбек" вернула на родину 25 школьников. Судьба шестерых еще неизвестна.

О произошедшем стало известно из открытого письма, обращенного на имя президента Узбекистана Ислама Каримова. Матери задержанных подростков обратились к узбекскому лидеру с просьбой разобраться в ситуации и вернуть их детей, которые не заметили никакой границы.

Би-Би-Си

http://www.izbrannoe.ru/35671.html

[Bukharan]

Here you go. One more:

МИД Таджикистана ведет переговоры с Узбекистаном об освобождении шести школьников
13 мая 2008, 13:39

CA-NEWS (TJ) - Власти Таджикистана ведут переговоры с узбекской стороной об освобождении шести 16-летних таджикских школьников из Согдийской области (север страны), задержанных пограничниками Узбекистана «за незаконное пересечение государственной границы» в конце апреля.

Как сообщили CA-News в Главном управлении погранвойск Госкомитета национальной безопасности Таджикистана, переговорный процесс с узбекской стороной ведет внешнеполитическое ведомство.

Группа школьников в возрасте 12-16 лет из 31 человека, жители поселка Адрасман города Кайраккума 26 апреля вышли в горы собирать ревень и заблудились, оказавшись на территории Узбекистана.

Школьники были задержаны и доставлены в узбекскую комендатуру и после первого допроса 25 детей были отпущены. В погранвойсках отметили, что «по непонятной до сих пор причине удерживаются шесть школьников».

О задержании таджикских школьников стало известно из открытого письма их родителей на имя президента соседнего государства Ислама Каримова. Это письмо, по сообщению министерства иностранных дел Таджикистана, передано узбекскому посольству в Душанбе.

В письме отмечается, что вернувшиеся дети рассказали, что после задержания их «содержали в подвале без еды и питья».

«Каждого в отдельности, по несколько часов опрашивали двое в штатском, обвиняли детей в том, что они являются шпионами и наркоконтрабандистами, расспрашивали о наличии родственников в правоохранительных органах, имена начальников пограничных застав, их численность, кто работает в милиции по их месту жительства, в отношении руководства Адрасманского горно-обогатительного комбината, количестве шахт, специалистами работающими на нем и многое другое, - говорится в письме родителей, опубликованное в СМИ. - Все дети после встречи с нами, их родителями, выглядели изможденными, на лице и теле отдельных из них имеются синяки от побоев».

Официальный Душанбе никак не комментирует этот инцидент, отмечая, что «в настоящее время данный вопрос находится на стадии решения».

Большая часть границы между Таджикистаном и Узбекистаном делимитирована, однако, существуют спорные вопросы на северных участках таджикско-узбекской границы, которая, по словам таджикских пограничников, не имеет «каких-либо опознавательных знаков».

http://www.ca-news.org/news/25740

[Bukharan]

Yet another:

Спецслужбы Узбекистана удерживают в заложниках таджикских школьников

Автор: Мавлюда Рафиева

Худжанд. 12 мая. «Азия-Плюс» - Шестеро из задержанных 27 апреля школьников поселка Адрасман города Кайраккума до сих пор находятся в заложниках у узбекских спецслужб.

Как сообщил «АП» достоверный источник в правоохранительных органах Согдийской области, одиннадцатиклассники Бобир Алиматов, Дилшод Абдурахмонов, Илхом Умаров, Шоназир Алимов, Улугбек Холдоров и Бахтиер Турдиматов содержатся в изоляторе на территории Узбекистана и подвергаются допросам.

По словам источника, школьники в количестве 31 человек из поселка Адрасман вышли за пределы населенного пункта собирать ревень и случайно оказались на территории соседней страны.

«Школьники были задержаны и отвезены на контрольно-пропускной пункт Ойбек на территории Матчинского района, и после первого допроса 25 человек были отпущены», - продолжили в правоохранительных органах области.

При этом источник добавил, что никаких опознавательных знаков в указанном районе, обозначающих государственную границу, не было, и до сих пор нет, поэтому дети действительно могли пересечь линию границы.



Между тем, как сообщает regnum.ru, родители подростков обратились с открытым письмом к президенту Узбекистана Исламу Каримову с просьбой вернуть их детей.

В письме говорится, что сотрудники узбекских спецслужб "обвиняли детей в том, что они являются шпионами и наркоконтрабандистами, расспрашивали их о наличии родственников в правоохранительных органах, на пограничных заставах, их численности, кто работает в милиции по их месту жительства, в отношении руководства Адрасманского горно-обогатительного комбината, количестве шахт, специалистах, работающих на нем и др".

http://www.toptj.com/ShowNews.aspx?news_id=DDE6CCD3-C618-410D-9566-589EDD5649B3

[Bukharan]

Ferghana. ru:

http://www.ferghana.ru/news.php?id=9132

[Bukharan]

News.ru:

http://palm.newsru.com/world/12may2008/reven.html

[Bukharan]

Regnum.ru:

http://www.regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/uzbek/998717.html

[Bukharan]

Rosbalt.ru:

http://www.rosbalt.ru/2008/5/13/483119.html

Neweurasia.net:

http://ru.tajikistan.neweurasia.net/

Do you want me?

[SAMARKANDI!]

Ignored.

PS: Is your mother a woman?

What a retard, is this one your desperate attempts to piss someone off? Is this what u resort to when u dont have any knowledge left to defend your fabrications?, direct ur insults on someone's mother?? I hope your mother is a respectful woman, she doesnt deserve any garbage that her son or daughter earned cuz his/her stupidity. I also hope that u didnt learn this filthy tactic to jump on someone's close ones from your family members.

p.s. I really think that it is ur sex got stuck in between some time ago.

[Bukharan]

What a retard, is this one your desperate attempts to piss someone off? Is this what u resort to when u dont have any knowledge left to defend your fabrications?, direct ur insults on someone's mother?? I hope your mother is a respectful woman, she doesnt deserve any garbage that her son or daughter earned cuz his/her stupidity. I also hope that u didnt learn this filthy tactic to jump on someone's close ones from your family members.

Ignored. Questions left unanswered. There was one more you missed.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Ignored. Questions left unanswered. There was one more you missed.

ask that from your mother.

[Bukharan]

ask that from your mother.

She doesn't know ur sex. But I'm sure you are caught in the middle.

On topic: I know you are too weak in argumentation and you know that better. I provided you and ur buddies with necessary info. Instead of swearing and insulting check them out. And please don't get back with the same retard racist attitude again.

[Ma'ruf]

Kelilar,shu threadni ham bir-birlarini ayblab...bo'mag'ur gaplar bilan to'ldirmanglar.Tinchkina,mavzu bo'yicha gaplasheli...

[The Reaper]

Ignored.

PS: Is your mother a woman? And is your sex stuck in the between?

Go ahead and disagree, argue, sh*t-talk all you want, but what you wrote above is way out of line.

Family is OFF LIMITS!

Just for that - you're a shitbag.

EDIT: Admins, cleanup required on Isle 1, please.

TR

[Bukharan]

Go ahead and disagree, argue, sh*t-talk all you want, but what you wrote above is way out of line.

Family is OFF LIMITS!

Just for that - you're a shitbag.

TR

Actually you proved to be as heavy a shitbag as ur crony SAMARKANDI!

That off top was in response to Samarkandi!'s off top about my sex. And I wonder why he thinks calling someone 'a girl' should be accepted as an insult. I was just wondering if his Mother was a woman too. If yes, if he respects her or not? If yes, why does he think that her mother's sex is inferior?

I'd asked him this question once more and in my PMs before. But he prefers to drag his sexual obsession and twistiness right here. Like an exhibitionist.

[dauphin]

Anyone and anything found in territory of Uzbekistan is belongs to Uzbek nation and governed by Uzbek authorities. If anyone does not beleive so he will have to prove reverse with valid arguments. It is upto the authorities how to treat them. Maybe they have some facts that the children really are drug dealers. How do you know? Let right people to figure out what happened. By the way who told you that someone who is 17 years old and grew up in a country where anarchism governed for almost 18 years can not be drug dealer?

[SAMARKANDI!]

She doesn't know ur sex. But I'm sure you are caught in the middle.

On topic: I know you are too weak in argumentation and you know that better. I provided you and ur buddies with necessary info. Instead of swearing and insulting check them out. And please don't get back with the same retard racist attitude again.


Hey moron, go back and refresh your mind, I never disagreed or said that your information is wrong. I simply asked you questions with normal attitude. Your brain doesnt function properly when its contradicted or faced with simple truth, it reacts with fabrications and imaginative garbage. If you just answered my questions normally or said I dont know, it wouldnt come to this filthy point which u always try to get to. So cool down and read back.

[Bukharan]

Anyone and anything found in territory of Uzbekistan is belongs to Uzbek nation and governed by Uzbek authorities. If anyone does not beleive so he will have to prove reverse with valid arguments. It is upto the authorities how to treat them. Maybe they have some facts that the children really are drug dealers. How do you know? Let right people to figure out what happened. By the way who told you that someone who is 17 years old and grew up in a country where anarchism governed for almost 18 years can not be drug dealer?

Uzbekistan is a multi-ethnic country and everything there does not belong to Uzbeks only, but to the Uzbekistani people.

By this inhumane act Uzbek authorities demonstarted their facist nature to the world.

If there were any facts of the kids' engagement in drug trafficking Uzbek authorities and their defenders like you would have been yelling by now.

Dozens of mass media have reported it and you are trying to hide your head in the sand just like an ostrich.

The detained children are 16, to be precise.

You've mistaken Tajikistan with another country, I suppose. There was just 5 years of war.

[Bukharan]

As usual, the weak try to ruin threads. Guys, if nothing's left to say, save your words instead of insulting your mothers and sisters and yourselves.

I think the thread is closed long ago. Everything has been said.

Thanks to objective users of the thread and sorry for pathetic moaners and defenders of the fascist act of Karimov's regime.

Some of the sources of the story could be found below.

All the best

http://newsru.com/world/12may2008/reven.html

http://www.izbrannoe.ru/35671.html

http://obzor.ua/ru/world/2008/5/13/60239

http://www.russianboston.com/common/arc/story.php/428588

http://www.ca-news.org/news/25740

http://www.toptj.com/ShowNews.aspx?news_id=DDE6CCD3-C618-410D-9566-589EDD5649B3

http://www.angren.info/forum/showthread-t_14772.html

http://www.ferghana.ru/news.php?id=9132

http://www2.asiaplus.tj/news/47/31579.html

http://ru.tajikistan.neweurasia.net/

[SAMARKANDI!]

Kelilar,shu threadni ham bir-birlarini ayblab...bo'mag'ur gaplar bilan to'ldirmanglar.Tinchkina,mavzu bo'yicha gaplasheli...

Dostim mavzuni egasi huddi shu holatga kelishi uchun ochgan, achchig'ini bir erda chiqarvolish uchun, hali ham sezmadizmi har bir threadi indirectly uzbeklaga qarshi yozilgan va persian yoki tadjik superiority and nationalism ni qollab qovatlaydi, argumentlariga qarab korsez indirectly tojik va forsilar qanchalik yuqori va uzbeklar turklar qanchlaik past va hamma narsani forsilardan kochirganini takidledi. Huddi tulkiga ohshab uzbeklarni usitdan kulib uzbeklarga qancha qarshi gapirsa ham biz hop maylida chiroyli qilib yozyapdiku bir iki manba keltiryapdiku deb indame otiribmiz. Ahir yoshbollar emasmizku. bu erga kevolib kimdurni yomonlashdan oldin usha tojikstonga borib yordam bersin tojiklarga, uzbeklar qiynayatgan bolsa chaqirib olsin tojiklarni yahshi sharoit yaratib berib, agar qolidan kelmasa, uzbeklar bilan osoyishta yashashni urgansin, ayblar bilan baqirib yurmasdan.

[uzbekcfa2]

This is what I call a bitchy attitude. If you can't speak in a human language ef off right now. Plus, you should feel embarrassed for defending the government's fascist measures.

if you would not be a ****ed up person i would talk to you in - whatever you call - human language. why i should feel embarrassed for the government? what are you talkin about?

In civilised countries this kind of incidents doesn't occur.
you dont make a sense at all, cabron (in spanish:)). Are US, UK, germany and others uncivilized coutries? you think US patrole on borders care about who and how old those mexicans are, who cross the border. why dont you go and hit your effing head to the wall very hard so that your brain would function normally?

Because all borders are definite and clear. But if it does, I'm sure, none of them would be arrested. And perhaps the kids will be welcomed for a while indeed to be seen off later on the same day.

borders are definite ad clear, so are the laws. The law says anyone who crosses the border will be arrested. Law is law, no matter of what. so stop complaining and making big deal out of it.


Do you think they have to keep them in custody for as long as it takes and interrogate them as spies?


again, use your ****ed up brain. were you there? did you witness them interrogating kids? The customs officers do what they are supposed to do by law. Now go on and continue crying about how bad it is to be tajik in Uzb. ****in loser!

[JoJ]

... 25 школьников были отпущены и возвратились на родину, а шестеро из них, учащиеся 11 классов, до сих пор остаются в руках соответствующих служб Узбекистана.

http://www2.asiaplus.tj/news/48/31656.html

Is it new way of narco traffic?

[Bukharan]

Did you take all your shit out kid? Now go to bed and listen to your lullaby, ok? Ax malades!;)

ADMIN: Make the kids respect the rules of the forum please.

if you would not be a ****ed up person i would talk to you in - whatever you call - human language. why i should feel embarrassed for the government? what are you talkin about?


you dont make a sense at all, cabron (in spanish:)). Are US, UK, germany and others uncivilized coutries? you think US patrole on borders care about who and how old those mexicans are, who cross the border. why dont you go and hit your effing head to the wall very hard so that your brain would function normally?


borders are definite ad clear, so are the laws. The law says anyone who crosses the border will be arrested. Law is law, no matter of what. so stop complaining and making big deal out of it.




again, use your ****ed up brain. were you there? did you witness them interrogating kids? The customs officers do what they are supposed to do by law. Now go on and continue crying about how bad it is to be tajik in Uzb. ****in loser!

[uzbekcfa2]

this guy must have a brain malfunction disease. he writes to everyone, "dont insult and dont swear", but himself writes shit in pm. stop making an angel out of yourself, cabron. ****in idiot!
morons should be on ignore list, normaly.

[Bukharan]

this guy must have a brain malfunction disease. he writes to everyone, "dont insult and dont swear", but himself writes shit in pm. stop making an angel out of yourself, cabron. ****in idiot!
morons should be on ignore list, normaly.

Oops, the kid has got some more stuff to pour out.

Certainly, "morons are ignored" (your words - I didn't use it:). That's why you are not getting any replies from me.:lol: And you will go down into my ignore list right now. Then you can shout and yell and swear like a hurt kid as long as you wish. Usually losing is a very bitter experience. But I didn't know it could be that bitter in your case. My apologies:lol:

Now, to adults: The thread has reached its focal final point and yet another crime of the Uzbek regime has been proven. Bye bye. See you somewhere else.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Oops, the kid has got some more stuff to pour out.

Certainly, "morons are ignored" (your words - I didn't use it:). That's why you are not getting any replies from me.:lol: And you will go down into my ignore list right now. Then you can shout and yell and swear like a hurt kid as long as you wish. Usually losing is a very bitter experience. But I didn't know it could be that bitter in your case. My apologies:lol:

Now, adults: The thread has reached its focal final point and yet another crime of the Uzbek regime has been proven. Bye bye. See you somewhere else.

You have just proven that u r just one pissed off moron, lost and brainwashed in perisan/tadjik nationalism, who can not properly back up his/her statements, and when contradicted and caught on lies, starts fabricating and insulting and who carries huge chunk of hating garbage in his/her skull.

Im not shauvinist, dont have anything against any nation...but thanks to people like Bukaran, very soon will become anti-farsi...

Dont be, such garbage, wasted, neglected moron doesnt not represent the whole nation. Tadjiks are good people like any others

[Maroon]

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[JoJ]

пристрелите этого придурка! чтоб не мучился...

[Bukharan]

Узбекские власти отпустили таджикских школьников, которые более 20 дней находились под арестом узбекских пограничников. Об этом сегодня, 16 мая, корреспонденту ИА REGNUM (http://www.regnum.ru/) сообщили в Департаменте информации МИД РТ.

По словам источника, накануне вечером, 15 мая, после переговоров пограничных структур обеих стран школьники были возвращены на родину. Передача школьников состоялась на пограничном посту "Ойбек" на севере Таджикистана. Между тем, сегодня, 16 мая, МИД Таджикистана передал ноту протеста посольству Узбекистана в связи с задержанием таджикских школьников из поселка Адрасман Согдийской области, которые 27 апреля отправились на маевку в окрестные горы и были захвачены узбекскими пограничниками.



Напомним, что в конце прошлой недели матери группы подростков из Согдийской области Таджикистана обратились с открытым письмом в адрес президента Узбекистана Ислама Каримова (http://www.regnum.ru/look/c8f1ebe0ece020cae0f0e8eceee2e0/) с просьбой вернуть их детей. Как сообщила одна из авторов письма, "26 апреля 2008 года группа школьников в возрасте от 12 до 16 лет, жители поселка Адрасман Согдийской области, отправились в окрестные горы и по неосторожности пересекли государственную границу, которая не была обозначена соответствующими знаками. Отдельных детей, которые, испугавшись людей в военной форме с автоматами, пытались убежать, узбекские пограничники догоняли и избивали прикладами автоматов, заставляя собраться в одном месте". Как пишут авторы письма, позже узбекская сторона на пограничном посту "Ойбек" вернула на родину 25 школьников.


http://www.regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/uzbek/1001317.html

[PainKiller]

what a traumatic experience for 12-16 year olds :shock:
i am glad they got home okay and I hope the Tajik Goverment will organize some sort of counseling for those kids. I am sure they will need it to move on with their lives.:?

[Uzbekistan2010]

ehh.... yumurtag'a garakmi shu chegara... :((