Corruption! how to overcome it?

[Bekzod_usa]

Dear forum users,
I am delighted to start this topic "corruption" in Uzb because I believe there are people in our forum who can share their views and suggest real good solutions. It's time for us to stand up and face the problem and quit running away to other countries...
First of all, I'd like to suggest to analyze the problem within our education system. Everything goes back to the education when young country is developing so, isn't it time to fix or at least try to fix our education system which has been failing for years now. We all know the reason of the failure which is CORRUPTION. It's now involved in not only higher education but also in middle and high schools...
I personally graduated from former turkish lyceum which became specialized in social and science in 1999; until 2006 it was number one in the region but now I heard that because of the disaster called "corruption" school is in a bad shape...
If we let corruption take over our pre-higher education institutions we don't have to predict what the future is holding for us.
It's so disappointing to see young school kids behaving not in a nice way to their teachers and when it's shared with their parents,...for God's sake, don't you realize you are ruining your kid's future at the same time our country's future!!!
To cut a long story short, I want to jump into analysis real quick.
So we all have to ask ourselves a question. Why corruption is becoming more and more???
Possible reasons:

Goverenment!
Ourselves
External affairs
I think the second one is close to reality. We prompt to blame all the bad to Government. Yes, I don't say the governement is innocent but, we should take an action against it.
Goverment is supposed to work for the whole nation only if the nation intends to do something then the government can support!
So I'm calling on people especially young generation who want to join and share their views, solutions to this very issue!
I really think it's time we took real quick action and stand up to our feet before the eyes of those who think we are poor country!

[Demir Kağan]

All of above.

[uzeconomist]

Corruption is an institutional problem. It is within the system and you can not eliminate it. It is like being infected with HIV and complete cure would be to change blood (which is impossible) or wait until all HIV infected people die or decrease. So, only solution to overcome is sit and wait until the system itself cleans out virus "corruption".
Educational system can be cured with other means.
I totally understand how eager you are to stand up and do something but the best thing you can do now, Bekzod, is to study hard so you can pass on your genes and education to next generation (provided you do not stay in US forever).

[Ulug'bek]

Possible reasons:

Goverenment!
Ourselves
External affairs


Siz kombinatsiya qilish imkonini o'ylamabsiz. Agar shu imkon bo'lganda Men, O'zbekistonda korrupsiya tarqalishi, ildiz otishi, unga qarshi keskin va astoydil kurashilmasligining sababi ham hukumat va ham odamlarimiz yoki o'zimiz degan bo'lardim.
External factors, yoki tashqi omillarning bu narsaga ta'sirini ko'rmayapman.

[Ulug'bek]

Corruption is an institutional problem. It is within the system and you can not eliminate it. It is like being infected with HIV and complete cure would be to change blood (which is impossible) or wait until all HIV infected people die or decrease. So, only solution to overcome is sit and wait until the system itself cleans out virus "corruption".
Educational system can be cured with other means.
I totally understand how eager you are to stand up and do something but the best thing you can do now, Bekzod, is to study hard so you can pass on your genes and education to next generation (provided you do not stay in US forever).

Heh, see and wait and it vanishes itself, what a brilliant idea, what a solution!


Yes it is impossible to eliminate it, but it is possible to reduce it to very low and managable level.

Corruption is a diseases, it has its own causes, but it is a curable one! When the causes are eridicated or dealt with effectively it can be cured.
Examples? Most of the developed countries with very low corruption!

[uzeconomist]

Heh, see and wait and it vanishes itself, what a brilliant idea, what a solution!


Yes it is impossible to eliminate it, but it is possible to reduce it to very low and managable level.

Corruption is a diseases, it has its own causes, but it is a curable one! When the causes are eridicated or dealt with effectively it can be cured.
Examples? Most of the developed countries with very low corruption!


What would be effective measures and is it possible to give any country example? Please, ignore developed country stance at the moment.
You should have given broader view to my proposal:
Development (with moderate growth) creates jobs and increases income. Demand for educated experts also increases due to economic expansion, so people will be required to put effort to study up to requirements. As a result, people will earn real income for living. There is no corruption variable in this equation and overall result is a spillover effect to government services. To meet demands of changing environment, government will slowly take an action and there will be an institutional changes. This should have positive effect on reduction of corruption.

[Barbados]

Dear forum users,
So we all have to ask ourselves a question. Why corruption is becoming more and more???


Yeah that is really interesting topic, many ppl have done researches in this topic, I also once have done research on this issue using various variables from about 159 countries. Here it is in attachment.

[SAMARKANDI!]

Legalize corruption and live free Capitalism :D:lol:

[Uyyonli]

I love this one :lool:Legalize corruption and live free Capitalism :D:lol:

[Ulug'bek]

Yeay that`s is really interesting topic, many ppl have done researches in this topic, I also once have done research on this issue using various variables from about 159 countries. Here it is in attachment.


Siz OLMAS ISAKOVmisiz?

http://cba.unomaha.edu/faculty/CatheCo/WEB/Syllabi/Abstracts%20Fall%202006.pdf

Kimniki bo'lsa ham, ilova qilingan maqola, lo'nda va qiziq paper ekan.

[MrAbstract]

Corruption is an institutional problem. It is within the system and you can not eliminate it. It is like being infected with HIV and complete cure would be to change blood (which is impossible) or wait until all HIV infected people die or decrease. So, only solution to overcome is sit and wait until the system itself cleans out virus "corruption".
Educational system can be cured with other means.
I totally understand how eager you are to stand up and do something but the best thing you can do now, Bekzod, is to study hard so you can pass on your genes and education to next generation (provided you do not stay in US forever).


qo'shilaman shu gaplarga.
Boshqa yo'l yo'q......
The Best Thing we can do now is to wait with patience.

[MirzoBobur]

would safely say GOVERENMENT.

Because in Uzbekistan government plays most important role in every field, it controls everything from bugs to hooks. There are tremendous corruption between the high rank people in our society, no one can be able to write or even discuss about it in their with their close friends.

within the centuries we uzbeks created some sort of proverbs which give more credits to those high rank people. But i am not trying to blame those, however, my point is, as Bekzod_us said you can not find any field which corruption hasn't been involved, there is huge corruption in administration, they aware what is going on, but don't care. That is way even new banker also wants to make small amount of money by selling one free bank form, or teacher wants extra money by selling his or her value, in addition they don’t get paid enough etc. because everyone is doing, everyone is closing his or her eyes for that issue, so they think what is wrong if he gets 100 uzbeksom for bank form or teacher gets "present" for his "birthday party" or "exam party" while some people is playing with billions of bucks.

[noodles]

I believe there are people in our forum who can share their views and suggest real good solutions.

Rasstrel. :evil:

[Crazy Diamond]

How to overcome it? Stop giving bribes or using your networks (relatives/contacts/etc) to get your way for a start.

Those who bribe gaishniks on roads are just as responsible for a wide-spread, blatant and unashamed corruption in the country. Until we rather bribe our way out of trouble or give “gifts” to get things done quicker instead of going about it the more cumbersome and lengthy official process – nothing is going to change.

By giving bribes one allows the corruption to flourish, makes it “expectable”, and “normal”.

Take responsibility for your own actions first.

[melo]

How to overcome it? Stop giving bribes or using your networks (relatives/contacts/etc) to get your way for a start.

Those who bribe gaishniks on roads are just as responsible for a wide-spread, blatant and unashamed corruption in the country. Until we rather bribe our way out of trouble or give ”gifts” to get things done quicker instead of going about it the more cumbersome and lengthy official process – nothing is going to change.

By giving bribes one allows the corruption to flourish, makes it ”expectable”, and ”normal”.

Take responsibility for your own actions first.

That just sounds like you would get nowhere in life and probably just keep getting in trouble. :? That sounds good in theory, but in practice I don't believe it could work.

[Crazy Diamond]

That just sounds like you would get nowhere in life and probably just keep getting in trouble. :? That sounds good in theory, but in practice I don't believe it could work.

Of course it is easier to "pay" the gaishnik directly rather than go and pay the fine official way – less hassle, less time and effort spent.

And no doubt one would happily bring “gifts” to doctors/nurses to make sure their loved ones are looked after well in the hospital. And if young high-school graduate’s education and the entire future depends on his/her family “contributing” some very adequate sum of money towards Faculty Dean’s summer pay – well, you know the answer (those that can afford - “contribute”).

But with exactly this attitude we will get nowhere in tackling corruption. We’ve got to find ways to make it work. Incentives people to conduct their business according to official laws and regulations – make it more convenient for everyone to play by the rules (that have to be fair to start with), rather than giving an envelope at the end of each months to some dodgy taxman for closing his eyes to company’s double accounting system.

[melo]

Of course it is easier to "pay" the gaishnik directly rather than go and pay the fine official way – less hassle, less time and effort spent.

And no doubt one would happily bring ”gifts” to doctors/nurses to make sure their loved ones are looked after well in the hospital. And if young high-school graduate’s education and the entire future depends on his/her family ”contributing” some very adequate sum of money towards Faculty Dean’s summer pay – well, you know the answer (those that can afford - ”contribute”).

But with exactly this attitude we will get nowhere in tackling corruption. We’ve got to find ways to make it work. Incentives people to conduct their business according to official laws and regulations – make it more convenient for everyone to play by the rules (that have to be fair to start with), rather than giving an envelope at the end of each months to some dodgy taxman for closing his eyes to company’s double accounting system.

I think that is how the whole world works. Sorry there is no way to change it no matter how hard you try. ;) And trust me, being the only one who follows the rules maked you a loser and a sucker. :(

[Bekzod_usa]

Bu gapizga qo'shilaman!
External factorni shunchaki quydim chunki bilasiz faqatgina 2ta factor effect beryapti holos... lekin bu narsa SSSR davrida kirib kelganini nazarda tutsak ushanda external factor bulgan.

Siz kombinatsiya qilish imkonini o'ylamabsiz. Agar shu imkon bo'lganda Men, O'zbekistonda korrupsiya tarqalishi, ildiz otishi, unga qarshi keskin va astoydil kurashilmasligining sababi ham hukumat va ham odamlarimiz yoki o'zimiz degan bo'lardim.
External factors, yoki tashqi omillarning bu narsaga ta'sirini ko'rmayapman.

[Bekzod_usa]

I agree with this.

We have to do our best at least to reduce this disaster to a lower degree.


Heh, see and wait and it vanishes itself, what a brilliant idea, what a solution!


Yes it is impossible to eliminate it, but it is possible to reduce it to very low and managable level.

Corruption is a diseases, it has its own causes, but it is a curable one! When the causes are eridicated or dealt with effectively it can be cured.
Examples? Most of the developed countries with very low corruption!

[Bekzod_usa]

Thank you!

It's very wonderful research but the issues covered here are much broader than we are dealing with.

Yeah that is really interesting topic, many ppl have done researches in this topic, I also once have done research on this issue using various variables from about 159 countries. Here it is in attachment.

[CHOYHONACHI]

Цитата из "Наша Раша":

- Коррупция в нашей стране похожа на секс - о ней много говорят, но мало что делают ...

:lool:

[Пушкарева]

Business figiting corruption. It provides useful tools as well.

http://info.worldbank.org/etools/antic/Guide.asp