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Ponyman
07-05-2008, 12:46 PM
I must first say that there is nothing offensive about me - if people are offended by what I say then I apologise, but they misunderstand me.

I do not follow any religion at all - this does not make me a bad person with no morals. I make my own decisions in life (not always good ones certainly) and I accept the concequences for those decisions.

I am of the personal opinion that people should not be desriminated against because of their religion (or for any other reason for that matter). I respect the views and beliefs of others. I respect their rights to follow whatever faith they wish.

If someone wishes to follow their religion I have no problems about that. If I am with a lady who wishes to follow a religion I am happy to acomodate her and take her to a church, mosque, temple etc.

What does dissappoint me is when a lady desriminates against me because I don't follow her religion. If I can accept and respect her beliefs then why can't she reciprocate ?

I often see threads about mixed relationships and am dissapointed when I read that a muslim girl is not allowed to asociate with a non-muslim boy, for example (note: I am just picking muslims as an example - not to sugest that other religions are not the same).

Surely it's time for world unity ?

I am not looking for opinions about my particular beliefs. I am just interested to hear rational counter-arguments. Thank you.

Shambles
07-05-2008, 12:58 PM
Well said, mate... Fully support your perspective...

Compromise
07-07-2008, 02:22 PM
What does dissappoint me is when a lady desriminates against me because I don't follow her religion. If I can accept and respect her beliefs then why can't she reciprocate ?

I often see threads about mixed relationships and am dissapointed when I read that a muslim girl is not allowed to asociate with a non-muslim boy, for example (note: I am just picking muslims as an example - not to sugest that other religions are not the same).

Surely it's time for world unity ?

I am not looking for opinions about my particular beliefs. I am just interested to hear rational counter-arguments. Thank you.
I am commenting your question in bold. As far as I know that religious person has his/her principles of life derived from his/her faith. Now if she/he follows his/her religion, must do everything what is required from him/her. Otherwise it will be contradiction with faith. Answer is siple you just did look at the problem from your prospective not from her. As not believer you have your own style and rules and regulations which you choose on your own which is changeable. Why? Because you made this rules and you can change it. But who follows certain religion they have to follow it fully and can not make their own rules and regulations in this religion. Otherwise you will come to contradiction with your own faith.
Answer is simple. ;)
With respect,
Compromise

uzbekcfa2
07-07-2008, 02:37 PM
if this would be a new user, his or her first post would not be sth like this, controversial. surely, this is one old user. and it's very possible that it's a lady.

lost
07-07-2008, 02:39 PM
if this would be a new user, is or er first post would not be sth like this, controversial. surely, this is one old user. and it's very possible that it's a lady.

Well said, Sherlock... Fully support your perspective...

Ma'ruf
07-07-2008, 02:48 PM
if this would be a new user, his or her first post would not be sth like this, controversial. surely, this is one old user. and it's very possible that it's a lady.

Lady with a Ponyman nickname?:)

Ponyman
07-07-2008, 03:54 PM
Thank you for your replies.

Firstly please excuse me if I have contravened etiquette with my posting.

Further to Compromise's comments - I do of course appreciate and understand what you say and your argument is reasonable and valid.

I simply feel that religion is too often used as a tool to divide, rather than unite people and I cannot believe that this is a good thing.

Ma'ruf
07-07-2008, 04:08 PM
Thank you for your replies.

Firstly please excuse me if I have contravened etiquette with my posting.

Personally I love controversy - if everyone thought the same way - wouldn't the world be a boring place ? Or perhaps this is what some would advocate - all people following as sheep, the text from a book without question.



That, pretty much sums up your attitude towards religion and religious people.Don't bother writing, how you ''respect feelings of religious people".Your manners and advanced english can't hide your deep-rooted prejudice about religion.

melo
07-07-2008, 04:14 PM
How did you choose this forum? What is "contravened"?

infolife
07-07-2008, 04:31 PM
and very likely this lady is in a relationship that she is not comfortable with, or not comfortable with religion(s), particularly Islam:)

if this would be a new user, his or her first post would not be sth like this, controversial. surely, this is one old user. and it's very possible that it's a lady.

Compromise
07-08-2008, 01:47 PM
Thank you for your replies.

Firstly please excuse me if I have contravened etiquette with my posting.

Further to Compromise's comments - I do of course appreciate and understand what you say and your argument is reasonable and valid.

I simply feel that religion is too often used as a tool to divide, rather than unite people and I cannot believe that this is a good thing.
I would like to comment your statement in Bold. Remember always everything what is possible was used to control or divide or use for their own interest whether it is religion or ideology or any other thing which people believe and trust. So it is people's fault not failure of any religion or ideology or trust in something. Fault of believers that they did not noticed or were not educated enough to undertsand it. That's simple ;)
Every religion had in first time of spread only good intentions and good morals. Only due to people's fault it was corrupted or misused. So there is no reason to blam on religion. It is people's fault who use in wrong way and manner.
Religion never divides, espacially Islam never had segragation between black and white, poor and rich, man from town or village. Everyone was accepted and treated well. But you can see from history what other religions had what kind of segregations were done.
Probably you got these ideas due to misguided and missused mass media and politics against religion.

This is my opinion
With respect,
Compromise

lost
07-08-2008, 01:48 PM
read the tags.

Compromise
07-08-2008, 02:11 PM
Tagni qaranglar Lost birodarni postidan keyin ko'rib o'qib qotib qoldim ayniqsa qoradagisini ko'rib beliefs, descrimination, religion, religious, stupid_thread :shock: