Misconception: Does Islam allow husband to beat his wife?

[AbdurRahman]

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife so that she is injured , hurt or like.

– The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”

[al-Nisa’ 4:19]


– The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: ”The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, ”You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

– And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ”Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

(As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct,) meaning, the woman from whom you see ill conduct with her husband, such as when she acts as if she is above her husband, disobeys him, ignores him, dislikes him without valid reason, and so forth.

(abandon them in their beds,) `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said "The abandonment refers to not having intercourse with her, to lie on her bed with his back to her.'' Several others said similarly. As-Suddi, Ad-Dahhak, `Ikrimah, and Ibn `Abbas, in another narration, added, "Not to speak with her or talk to her.'' The Sunan and Musnad compilers recorded that Mu`awiyah bin Haydah Al-Qushayri said, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the right that the wife of one of us has on him'' The Prophet said,

"To feed her when you eat, cloth her when you buy clothes for yourself, refrain from striking her face or cursing her, and to not abandon her, except in the house."

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas- companion of Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

[AbdurRahman]

Islamic websites about women in Islam:

www.Muslimaat.info

http://www.muslimahconnection.com/

[Bukharan]

A wrong thread in a wrong place. Islam has got its own sections (a huge chumk of them). This one is for Boshqa Dinlar (Other religions)

[MUHLIS]

Bukharan, don't use Arabic script, don't use loan-words from Arabic and take out the picture of an Islamic Architecture from your avatar.

[Bukharan]

AbdurRahman,

Finally, we got your answer. Thanks.

Let's compare your translation (with numerous amendments in the Qur'anic text!) with the correct and unbiased translation.


”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”[al-Nisa’ 4:34]



٣٣) ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡ*ۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ*ۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّ*ۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاً*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا

33) Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

The ayat puts women's equality in rights with men totally under question. Women are depicted like little creatures in need of a superior owner. That's why they have to be obedient. And men are, naturally, frightened of 'disobedient' (aka independent) women. Interestingly, in your translation the word 'fear' has been dropped, but in its original Arabic version it exists (takhaafuna).

You have tried to lighten the heavy burden of the ayat by giving a certain order to the ways to punish a disobedient woman ('first', 'next', 'at last'). You even have thought to correct the Qur'an by adding long bits like "beat them (lightly, if it is useful). But as we can in its original, nothing of the kind exists whatsoever. It clearly states, if you are afraid of a woman's disobedience you should admonish her, forsake her and beat her.

Does it mean you endorse and support wife-beating?

[AbdurRahman]

Does it mean you endorse and support wife-beating?



I am becoming more certain that you have some SEEING and reading problem: ) . Anyways, this post is not for arguement and it is clear like sky. Your blindness does not stop untill your eyes are opened. So no point in blindly copy paste things here which has NO relation with Islam.

Note that I didnt even read all what you posting above and what you will post again, because like I said only thing you are doing is blindly copy paste from hate sites which explains things wrongly abt Islam. Unfortunately, you have NO knowledge abt Islam at all, otherwise you could make at least some sense in ur writings. Ur aim is to show Islam to be totally different than what Muslims think it to be and u expect all muslims are stupid to believe in u. and I think ur intellect lacks big time if u waste time by going to random hate pages.

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But for your info read again : )

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife so that she is injured , hurt or like.

– The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”

[al-Nisa’ 4:19]


– The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: ”The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, ”You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

– And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ”Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

(As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct,) meaning, the woman from whom you see ill conduct with her husband, such as when she acts as if she is above her husband, disobeys him, ignores him, dislikes him without valid reason, and so forth.

(abandon them in their beds,) `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said "The abandonment refers to not having intercourse with her, to lie on her bed with his back to her.'' Several others said similarly. As-Suddi, Ad-Dahhak, `Ikrimah, and Ibn `Abbas, in another narration, added, "Not to speak with her or talk to her.'' The Sunan and Musnad compilers recorded that Mu`awiyah bin Haydah Al-Qushayri said, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the right that the wife of one of us has on him'' The Prophet said,

"To feed her when you eat, cloth her when you buy clothes for yourself, refrain from striking her face or cursing her, and to not abandon her, except in the house."

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas- companion of Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

[Bukharan]

AbdurRahman,

How can you judge about something before reading it? As you admit, you have not read my previous post and not going to read my future postings. It's a perfect sign of fanaticism. You have felt that your dogmas are endangered. Now you prefer not to read me at all. Your belief cannot face any challenge.

What I am saying is that your translation of the Qur'anic verse was biased with many amendments. It's been thoroughly explained in my message above and you could not reply to any of my questions again.

However, do you accept that Qur'an gives us a right to beat our wives? And do you accept that according to Qur'an, Men are in charge of 'women'?

Now, what you have missed reading:


٣٣) ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡ*ۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ*ۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّ*ۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاً*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا

33) Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

The ayat puts women's equality in rights with men totally under question. Women are depicted like little creatures in need of a superior owner. That's why they have to be obedient. And men are, naturally, frightened of 'disobedient' (aka independent) women. Interestingly, in your translation the word 'fear' has been dropped, but in its original Arabic version it exists (takhaafuna).

You have tried to lighten the heavy burden of the ayat by giving a certain order to the ways to punish a disobedient woman ('first', 'next', 'at last'). You even have thought to correct the Qur'an by adding long bits like "beat them (lightly, if it is useful). But as we can in its original, nothing of the kind exists whatsoever. It clearly states, if you are afraid of a woman's disobedience you should admonish her, forsake her and beat her.

Does it mean you endorse and support wife-beating?



I am becoming more certain that you have some SEEING and reading problem: ) . Anyways, this post is not for arguement and it is clear like sky. Your blindness does not stop untill your eyes are opened. So no point in blindly copy paste things here which has NO relation with Islam.

Note that I didnt even read all what you posting above and what you will post again, because like I said only thing you are doing is blindly copy paste from hate sites which explains things wrongly abt Islam. Unfortunately, you have NO knowledge abt Islam at all, otherwise you could make at least some sense in ur writings. Ur aim is to show Islam to be totally different than what Muslims think it to be and u expect all muslims are stupid to believe in u. and I think ur intellect lacks big time if u waste time by going to random hate pages.

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But for your info read again : )

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife so that she is injured , hurt or like.

– The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”

[al-Nisa’ 4:19]


– The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: ”The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, ”You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

– And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ”Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

(As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct,) meaning, the woman from whom you see ill conduct with her husband, such as when she acts as if she is above her husband, disobeys him, ignores him, dislikes him without valid reason, and so forth.

(abandon them in their beds,) `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said "The abandonment refers to not having intercourse with her, to lie on her bed with his back to her.'' Several others said similarly. As-Suddi, Ad-Dahhak, `Ikrimah, and Ibn `Abbas, in another narration, added, "Not to speak with her or talk to her.'' The Sunan and Musnad compilers recorded that Mu`awiyah bin Haydah Al-Qushayri said, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the right that the wife of one of us has on him'' The Prophet said,

"To feed her when you eat, cloth her when you buy clothes for yourself, refrain from striking her face or cursing her, and to not abandon her, except in the house."

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas- companion of Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

[AbdurRahman]

AbdurRahman,

It's a perfect sign of fanaticism.

Does it mean you endorse and support wife-beating?

No it is perfect sign of avoiding foolish ones : ) Especially, when he tries to show that he knows something but actually what he only knows is just COPY and PASTE blindly from hateful sites.

With regards to challenging Islam, well believe me people who are worse than you have been challening Islam for over 1400 years and still they fail and they will always fail. and Islam is still fastest growing religion in the world.

You did not make ANY challenges at all. What you are basically doing is giving some info from hateful sites and that info has nothing to do with Islamic understanding and u r asking us to explain those things. U r putting totally WRONG and baseless allegations against Islam which ONLY haters put forward by misinterpreting things or by lies or by cuting & pasting. If u r clever enough one day I hope u will notice this. If u r not clever then I hope one day u will become clever : )

We have told u many times that Quran is to be understood by how Muhammad peace be upon him and his companions have understood it. If anyone explains things with other than this then it is not from Islam. U r blinded into explanations of those who hate Islam, and they did not look into explanations of companions of Muhammad peace be upon him, rather they put thinngs from their own mind and filthy desires.

When we give you explanation of verses from companions then u r failing to accept. and that is ur problem. We , muslims, take Quran explained by companions. Because they were the first ones who understood Qur'aan correctly and they are the ones we muslims follow. And companions are praised in Qur'aan also. So ANY understanding which is not taken by companions of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam then consider that understanding to be not Islamic understanding rather it is understanding of that person only.

Answer to ur question again :

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife so that she is injured , hurt or like.

– The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”

[al-Nisa’ 4:19]


– The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: ”The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

– The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, ”You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

– And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ”Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

(As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct,) meaning, the woman from whom you see ill conduct with her husband, such as when she acts as if she is above her husband, disobeys him, ignores him, dislikes him without valid reason, and so forth.

(abandon them in their beds,) `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said "The abandonment refers to not having intercourse with her, to lie on her bed with his back to her.'' Several others said similarly. As-Suddi, Ad-Dahhak, `Ikrimah, and Ibn `Abbas, in another narration, added, "Not to speak with her or talk to her.'' The Sunan and Musnad compilers recorded that Mu`awiyah bin Haydah Al-Qushayri said, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the right that the wife of one of us has on him'' The Prophet said,

"To feed her when you eat, cloth her when you buy clothes for yourself, refrain from striking her face or cursing her, and to not abandon her, except in the house."

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas- companion of Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

[AbdurRahman]

05- Wife Beating In Islam - A Widespread Misconception
(http://www.understand-islam.net/audio/Muslim%20Life%20.%20-%20.%204.%20FAQ%20-%20Clarifications/FAQ%20-%20Clarifications%20-%20Marriage%20and%20Relationship/05-%20Wife%20Beating%20In%20Islam%20-%20A%20Widespread%20Misconception.mp3)

Another excellent audio explaining about this issue. In audio one non muslim again put false allegation against Islam abt issue of beating one's wife. And speaker discussed this issue with him and clarified it.

[Bukharan]

No it is perfect sign of avoiding foolish ones : ) Especially, when he tries to show that he knows something but actually what he only knows is just COPY and PASTE blindly from hateful sites.

The only thing I have copied and pasted are Qur'anic verses. It's up to you if you call them 'hateful sites'.

With regards to challenging Islam, well believe me people who are worse than you have been challening Islam for over 1400 years and still they fail and they will always fail. and Islam is still fastest growing religion in the world.

Cool. Come on and prove me wrong now. As for the fastest growing religion, I think it's Bahaism for the time being, if I'm not mistaken. By no means could it be Islam, anyway. If you'll be behaving like a silly zealot, you will lag farther behind indeed.

You did not make ANY challenges at all. What you are basically doing is giving some info from hateful sites and that info has nothing to do with Islamic understanding and u r asking us to explain those things. U r putting totally WRONG and baseless allegations against Islam which ONLY haters put forward by misinterpreting things or by lies or by cuting & pasting. If u r clever enough one day I hope u will notice this. If u r not clever then I hope one day u will become clever : )

Cool. You don't have to call it a Challenge. I'm just asking questions based on Qur'anic verses - the object of your worship. Why can't you answer at least one of them?

I asked you: Do you accept that Allah has allowed us to beat our wives? Yes or no?

Why are women half of men in terms of their legal status in Islam? Why do they have to be obedient? Why do you have to fear their rebellion?

Why are we promised to meet ghilmaan (boy-servants) in Heaven, if we'd be pious enough? What to do with those boy-servants who are like 'virgin pearls'?

And many more questions. I didn't get even a single answer to them. By flooding the topic with your first message nothing is going to change. First, you are breaking a rule of the forum by flooding it. Secondly, you are not gaining hearts and minds by resorting to offensive language and repeating the same thing.

By the way, how did you dare to change the Qur'anic text and add about 10 words in one of its ayats?

[Bukharan]

05- Wife Beating In Islam - A Widespread Misconception
(http://www.understand-islam.net/audio/Muslim%20Life%20.%20-%20.%204.%20FAQ%20-%20Clarifications/FAQ%20-%20Clarifications%20-%20Marriage%20and%20Relationship/05-%20Wife%20Beating%20In%20Islam%20-%20A%20Widespread%20Misconception.mp3)

Another excellent audio explaining about this issue. In audio one non muslim again put false allegation against Islam abt issue of beating one's wife. And speaker discussed this issue with him and clarified it.

The excellent audio link doesn't work.

Now try to explain it with your own words.

Question N 1:

Why are we allowed by Allah to beat our wives?

[Bukharan]

Answer to ur question again :

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife so that she is injured , hurt or like.

”As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

AbdurRahman,

You keep repeating the same mistake, which is known as 'sin' in Islam: changing the Qur'anic content.

By the way, it's ayat 33 of An-Nisa (not 34 as cited by you).

Could you please look at its original version and tell me where you can see the words "first", "next", "and last" and especially the funniest "lightly, if it is useful". And where it used the term 'ill-conduct' in the ayat below?

٣٣) ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡ*ۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ*ۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّ*ۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاً*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا

They simply do not exist in the Qur'anic ayat, AbdurRahman. Do you think you are serving your faith by lying about it?

Instead of 'ill-conduct' in the verse we see "takhaafuna nushuzahunna" (fear their rebellion). That means if you fear your wives' rebellion you can admonish them, forsake them and beat them. And it does not say "lightly, if it is useful" anywhere either. It just says, BEAT THEM (wa uzribuhunna). Who are you to put bogus words between the Qur'anic lines?

[Aziz]

The excellent audio link doesn't work.

Now try to explain it with your own words.

Question N 1:

Why are we allowed by Allah to beat our wives?


It is nt mentioned anywhere in sira "prophet's biography" or in any other book that Muhammed "pbuh" has beaten any of his wives, neither his companions. Moreover, it is narrated that once a man went to Omar when he was a Caliph to ask him for help because his wife is yelling at him. When he knocked the door he heard Omar's wife yelling at him. He wanted to walk away, but Omar called him back and told him that we have to be patiend and kind to our wives because they work all day so we can enjoy a clean house, nice meal, and a nice place we can call home.

Prophet "pbuh" said "who ever honors them is honorable, and who ever humiliates them is mean."

[Aziz]

AbdurRahman,

You keep repeating the same mistake, which is known as 'sin' in Islam: changing the Qur'anic content.

By the way, it's ayat 33 of An-Nisa (not 34 as cited by you).

Could you please look at its original version and tell me where you can see the words "first", "next", "and last" and especially the funniest "lightly, if it is useful". And where it used the term 'ill-conduct' in the ayat below?

٣٣) ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡ*ۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ*ۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّ*ۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاً*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا

They simply do not exist in the Qur'anic ayat, AbdurRahman. Do you think you are serving your faith by lying about it?

Instead of 'ill-conduct' in the verse we see "takhaafuna nushuzahunna" (fear their rebellion). That means if you fear your wives' rebellion you can admonish them, forsake them and beat them. And it does not say "lightly, if it is useful" anywhere either. It just says, BEAT THEM (wa uzribuhunna). Who are you to put bogus words between the Qur'anic lines?


lemme answer that for ya...
He didn't put it out of his own head. As it was mentioned by Ulama in tafseers that if you intend to "beat" it should not be hurtful, in the face, or that leaves a mark. It should be gentle and unharmful. Some even said it should not be more than a "poke" by a stick of "siwak".

this is from "Tafsir Ibn Kathir"

[وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ]

(beat them) means, if advice and ignoring her in the bed do not produce the desired results, you are allowed to discipline the wife, without severe beating. Muslim recorded that Jabir said that during the Farewell Hajj, the Prophet said;

«وَاتَّقُوا اللهَ فِي النِّسَاءِ، فَإِنَّهُنَّ عِنْدَكُمْ عَوَانٍ، وَلَكُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ أَنْ لَا يُوطِئْنَ فُرُشَكُمْ أَحَدًا تَكْرَهُونَهُ،فَإِنْ فَعَلْنَ ذَلِكَ فَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ضَرْبًا غَيْرَ مُبَرِحٍ، وَلَهُنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ رِزْقُهُنَّ وَكِسْوَتُهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوف»

(Fear Allah regarding women, for they are your assistants. You have the right on them that they do not allow any person whom you dislike to step on your mat. However, if they do that, you are allowed to discipline them lightly. They have a right on you that you provide them with their provision and clothes, in a reasonable manner.) Ibn `Abbas and several others said that the Ayah refers to a beating that is not violent. Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that it means, a beating that is not severe.
source (http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=11037)

BTW...he's right. It's ayat "34" not "33".

[AbdurRahman]

05- Wife Beating In Islam - A Widespread Misconception
(http://www.understand-islam.net/audio/Muslim%20Life%20.%20-%20.%204.%20FAQ%20-%20Clarifications/FAQ%20-%20Clarifications%20-%20Marriage%20and%20Relationship/05-%20Wife%20Beating%20In%20Islam%20-%20A%20Widespread%20Misconception.mp3)

Another excellent audio explaining about this issue. In audio one non muslim again put false allegation against Islam abt issue of beating one's wife. And speaker discussed this issue with him and clarified it.



Updated link:Click here (http://understand-islam.net/audio/andromeda.php?q=s&sm=ff&s=beat&x=4&y=12)

[Bukharan]

It is nt mentioned anywhere in sira "prophet's biography" or in any other book that Muhammed "pbuh" has beaten any of his wives, neither his companions. Moreover, it is narrated that once a man went to Omar when he was a Caliph to ask him for help because his wife is yelling at him. When he knocked the door he heard Omar's wife yelling at him. He wanted to walk away, but Omar called him back and told him that we have to be patiend and kind to our wives because they work all day so we can enjoy a clean house, nice meal, and a nice place we can call home.

Prophet "pbuh" said "who ever honors them is honorable, and who ever humiliates them is mean."

Well, Aziz. The question is about Qur'an. If you accept it as the word of God, you have to be able to explain us why we have been allowed to beat our wives by Qur'an. I am not asking about Muhammad's or Omar's lifestyles. The question is about the backbone of the Islamic faith - Qur'an.

Moreover, nobody could be 100% sure about all rivayats and ahadith on Muhammad and his companions, since nobody has witnessed their lives completely and their words have not reached our days directly.

Furthermore, even Omar's justification about his wife's 'yelling' sounds a bit too outdated and ludicrous in our epoch: "they (our wives) work all day so we can enjoy a clean house, nice meal, and a nice place we can call home." Are you sure he was talking about his wives or his maids and female servants? Even that simple sentence reveals the role of women in Islam: cleaning the house, preparing nice meal and nice place for men to enjoy. It's simply unctuous insincere talk about women. That saying means, please respect your servants. However, today women's status is higher than that of a maid.

[Bukharan]

lemme answer that for ya...
He didn't put it out of his own head. As it was mentioned by Ulama in tafseers that if you intend to "beat" it should not be hurtful, in the face, or that leaves a mark. It should be gentle and unharmful. Some even said it should not be more than a "poke" by a stick of "siwak".

this is from "Tafsir Ibn Kathir"

Once again, we are not talking about Commentaries or Tafsirs. We know how and by whom they've been made. If there was a need to add 'lightly' or 'poke by a stick' after 'beating wives', Allah would have done it himself in Qur'an, right? Or do you mean Ibn Kathir was wiser than Allah to correct him?

Apart from that, mistranslating Qur'an is not good either, if you agree with me. Where is the word 'ill-conduct' in the ayat under question? Why the word 'fear' is not present in AbdurRahman's quote?

Qur'an clearly says what it means: beat your wives and no tafsir could be accepted as an unbiased view. Tafsirs are not unanimous. They could differ in their views. Whereas Qur'an is the same everywhere and it is the only reliable source of Islam. And adding extra words within Qur'anic verses is really sinful according to Islam itself. Tafsirs or commentaries should come separately, not within the verses in order to prevent any probable confusions.

[Aziz]

Imam Abu Hanifa once had a discussion with a man, when he knew that there was no point in completing the argument he said: Abu Hanifa can now stretch his legs "آن لأبي حنيفة أن يمد رجليه". And I would like to say the same thing...if you ask me why...this is why:
1- You won't accept Hadith even if it was authentic according to Muslim scholars like AlBukhari and Muslim.
2- You don't think that anyone should interpret Qur'an "tafseer", and we should undersrand the Qur'an as is.
These are two fundamental branches of Islamic culture and tradition "Hadith and Tafseer" you have completely blown them away

[Bukharan]

Their authenticity is put under question not by me only, but by their own contradictive contents. Otherwise, there would have never been so many branches of Islam. Muslims are not united under the same Tafsir or Ahadith. Only the Qur'an is the uniting factor of all followers of Islam. Logically, only Qur'an could be cited as the reliable source of Islam.

As said before, if there was a need, Allah could have added those words (first, second, and last, lightly, if it is needed) in the Qur'an. They do not burden the ayat at all. On the contrary, the lighten up its meaning. But no. These words do not exist in the Qur'an.

You can stretch up your legs, if nothing else is left to say indeed.

Imam Abu Hanifa once had a discussion with a man, when he knew that there was no point in completing the argument he said: Abu Hanifa can now stretch his legs "آن لأبي حنيفة أن يمد رجليه". And I would like to say the same thing...if you ask me why...this is why:
1- You won't accept Hadith even if it was authentic according to Muslim scholars like AlBukhari and Muslim.
2- You don't think that anyone should interpret Qur'an "tafseer", and we should undersrand the Qur'an as is.
These are two fundamental branches of Islamic culture and tradition "Hadith and Tafseer" you have completely blown them away

[Aziz]

Their authenticity is put under question not by me only, but by their own contradictive contents. Otherwise, there would have never been so many branches of Islam. Muslims are not united under the same Tafsir or Ahadith. Only the Qur'an is the uniting factor of all followers of Islam. Logically, only Qur'an could be cited as the reliable source of Islam.

As said before, if there was a need, Allah could have added those words (first, second, and last, lightly, if it is needed) in the Qur'an. They do not burden the ayat at all. On the contrary, the lighten up its meaning. But no. These words do not exist in the Qur'an.

You can stretch up your legs, if nothing else is left to say indeed.


One last question that I want you to answer...do you find anywhere in the Qur'an the exact description of your five daily prayers? if not...where did you get them from?

[Bukharan]

One last question that I want you to answer...do you find anywhere in the Qur'an the exact description of your five daily prayers? if not...where did you get them from?

I find the question irrelevant and off top.

The relevant question is:

Do you accept that Qur'an allows us to beat up our wives?

[Bukharan]

Now let's see Islamic sources and their interpretation of the ayat under question:

"The introduction emphasized the husband’s superiority over the wife. 4:34 starts by establishing that precedent. The beginning states: men are "superior", men have "authority", men are "in charge", etc. Muhammad placed the man over the wife; he is her custodian and she obeys him. Then the Quran proceeds to lay out their respective roles, then lists a progression of steps to be followed when dealing with a rebellious wife:

admonish them: The husband is to verbally admonish her
send them to beds apart: If that fails the husband is to sexually desert his wife
beat them: If both measures above fail the husband is commanded to beat his wife.

The husband, as the manager, increases the pressure on his wife to bring her into obedience to him. If beating her doesn’t work they will move towards divorce. (Note that obedience to her husband is not required if he orders her to do something sinful, causes her physical pain, or something she is incapable of doing)."

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm

So, anyway, beating your wife is accepted, isn't it?

[Bukharan]

Its historical context is even more interesting:

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ON THE QURAN, 4:34

The reason (asbab al-nuzul) behind the "revelation" is detailed by various Muslim scholars. The quote below comes from Razi's commentary, "At-Tafsir al-Kabir," on 4:34

"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, (which was still marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him", but then added: "Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to Muhammad, after which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best."[7]

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm

[Aziz]

I find the question irrelevant and off top.

The relevant question is:

Do you accept that Qur'an allows us to beat up our wives?

I accept whatever is in Qur'an and I understand it according to relevant Hadiths and what Ulama say about it in Tafseers.

[Bukharan]

I accept whatever is in Qur'an and I understand it according to relevant Hadiths and what Ulama say about it in Tafseers.

Thanks, but make it simpler with one 'yes' or 'no' answer:

Does it mean that, according to your underdstanding, you are allowed to beat your wife?
(You can consider all of them together - Qur'an, Ahadith, Ulama, Tafsirs - before giving the answer. But the answer should be clear).

You know my simple answer, I suppose: No.

[Aziz]

Now let's see Islamic sources and their interpretation of the ayat under question:

"The introduction emphasized the husband’s superiority over the wife. 4:34 starts by establishing that precedent. The beginning states: men are "superior", men have "authority", men are "in charge", etc. Muhammad placed the man over the wife; he is her custodian and she obeys him. Then the Quran proceeds to lay out their respective roles, then lists a progression of steps to be followed when dealing with a rebellious wife:

admonish them: The husband is to verbally admonish her
send them to beds apart: If that fails the husband is to sexually desert his wife
beat them: If both measures above fail the husband is commanded to beat his wife.

The husband, as the manager, increases the pressure on his wife to bring her into obedience to him. If beating her doesn’t work they will move towards divorce. (Note that obedience to her husband is not required if he orders her to do something sinful, causes her physical pain, or something she is incapable of doing)."

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm

So, anyway, beating your wife is accepted, isn't it?

How ironic...you won't accept hadiths and tafsir and you're turning to words written by some ignorants.
Good job Bukharan...

[Bukharan]

How ironic...you won't accept hadiths and tafsir and you're turning to words written by some ignorants.
Good job Bukharan...

lol. That's why I said in the beginning, let's see what devout Muslims say about it. Their understanding is based on tafsirs and ahadith, as yours, as it contains the 'first', 'second' and 'third' stages of punishing a wife.

Don't you agree with this commentary?

[Abu-Hafiza]

Since when a christian missionary site, i.e. www.asnwering-islam.org become the view of "devout muslims"?

[Aziz]

lol. That's why I said in the beginning, let's see what devout Muslims say about it. Their understanding is based on tafsirs and ahadith, as yours, as it contains the 'first', 'second' and 'third' stages of punishing a wife.

Don't you agree with this commentary?

nope...
I don't agree with you at all...
FYI: "answering islam" is anti islamic...

[Bukharan]

nope...
I don't agree with you at all...
FYI: "answering islam" is anti islamic...

You don't have to agree with me. And you'll never do that.

I am asking, don't you agree with that Muslim commentary about the stages to punish your wife?

[Bukharan]

Since when a christian missionary site, i.e. www.asnwering-islam.org (http://www.asnwering-islam.org) become the view of "devout muslims"?

Since the moment they explained the question based on the Islamic concept of phases of a wife's punishment, that don't exist in the Qur'an in their literal meaning. But they are present in the most Muslim tafsirs.

[Bukharan]

A typical Muslim explanation of the issue:

”How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” Considering the rates of domestic violence all over the world, this question, which was asked by the Prophet Muhammad more than 1400 years ago, is applicable today to all people of all faiths and cultures.

Despite the universality of domestic violence, Muslim men involved in wife-abuse have attracted more attention than others. Horrific stories of husbands beating their wives while claiming that the Qur’an gives them the right to do so are highlighted in the media. At the same time, Muslims assert that Islam honors and respects women, giving them rights that promote and preserve their human dignity.

The crux of the matter lies in the need for the distinction between Islam and the behavior of some Muslims. Each and every Muslim has rather unfairly been caste as a representative of his or her faith, and his or her behavior is immediately a reflection of Islam, not of the Muslim as a human individual.

http://www.islamonline.net/english/In_Depth/IslamWifeBeating/index.shtml

[Bukharan]

Do you think this tafsir is a Christian conspiracy as well?

"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, (which was still marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him", but then added: "Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to Muhammad, after which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best". [To beat your wife is best.] ("At-Tafsir al-Kabir" on 4:34, Razi (Quoted in "Beyond the Veil, Razi is one of the greatest Persian Muslim scholars)."

[Aziz]

Do you think this tafsir is a Christian conspiracy as well?

"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, (which was still marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him", but then added: "Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to Muhammad, after which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best". [To beat your wife is best.] ("At-Tafsir al-Kabir" on 4:34, Razi (Quoted in "Beyond the Veil, Razi is one of the greatest Persian Muslim scholars)."

source????????

[Bukharan]

source????????

Just underneath it.

[Aziz]

Just underneath it.

Don't try to be funny...What I meant is where did you get it from? Whar version of the book?
since it says in your profile that you speak Arabic...here is the text from tafsir AlRazi regarding that aya...and show me where does your translated text come from?


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الشافعي رضي الله عنه: {واللاتى تخافون نشوزهن} النشوز قد يكون قولا، وقد يكون فعلا، فالقول مثل أن كانت تلبيه إذا دعاها، وتخضع له بالقول إذا خاطبها ثم تغيرت، والفعل مثل أن كانت تقوم اليه إذا دخل عليها، أو كانت تسارع إلى أمره وتبادر إلى فراشه باستبشار إذا التمسها، ثم إنها تغيرت عن كل ذلك، فهذه أمارات دالة على نشوزها وعصيانها، فحينئذ ظن نشوزها
ومقدمات هذه الأحوال توجب خوف النشوز.
وأما النشوز فهو معصية الزوج والترفع عليه بالخلاف، وأصله من قولهم نشز الشيء إذا ارتفع، ومنه يقال للأرض المرتفعة: ونشز ونشر.

ثم قال تعالى: {فعظوهن واهجروهن فى المضاجع واضربوهن} وفيه مسائل:
المسألة الأولى: قال الشافعي رضي الله عنه: أما الوعظ فانه يقول لها: اتقي الله فان لي عليك حقا وارجعي عما أنت عليه، واعلمي أن طاعتي فرض عليك ونحو هذا، ولا يضربها في هذه الحالة لجواز أن يكون لها في ذلك كفاية، فان أصرت على ذلك النشوز فعند ذلك يهجرها في المضجع وفي ضمنه امتناعه من كلامها
وقال الشافعي رضي الله تعالى عنه: ولا يزيد في هجره الكلام ثلاثا، وأيضا فاذا هجرها في المضجع فان كانت تحب الزوج شق ذلك عليها فتترك النشوز، وان كانت تبغضه وافقها ذلك الهجران، فكان ذلك دليلا على كمال نشوزها، وفيهم من حمل ذلك على الهجران في المباشرة، لأن إضافة ذلك إلى المضاجع يفيد ذلك، ثم عند هذه الهجرة ان بقيت على النشوز ضربها.
قال الشافعي رضي الله عنه: والضرب مباح وتركه أفضل.
روي عن عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه أنه قال: كنا معاشر قريش تملك رجالنا نساءهم، فقدمنا المدينة فوجدنا نساءهم تملك رجالهم، فاختلطت نساؤنا بنسائهم فذئرن على أزواجهن، فأذن في ضربهن فطاف بحجر نساء النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم جمع من النسوان كلهن يشكون أزواجهن، فقال صلى الله عليه وسلم : "لقد أطاف الليلة بآل محمد سبعون امرأة كلهن يشكون أزواجهن ولا تجدون أولئك خياركم"

ومعناه أن الذين ضربوا أزواجهم ليسوا خيرا ممن لم يضربوا.
قال الشافعي رضي الله عنه: فدل هذا الحديث على أن الأولى ترك الضرب، فأما إذا ضربها وجب في ذلك الضرب أن يكون بحيث لا يكون مفضيا إلى الهلاك ألبتة، بأن يكون مفرقا على بدنها، ولا يوالي بها في موضع واحد ويتقي الوجه لأنه مجمع المحاسن، وأن يكون دون الأربعين.
ومن أصحابنا من قال: لا يبلغ به عشرين لأنه حد كامل في حق العبد، ومنهم من قال: ينبغي أن يكون الضرب بمنديل ملفوف أو بيده، ولا يضربها بالسياط ولا بالعصا، وبالجملة فالتخفيف مراعى في هذا الباب على أبلغ الوجوه.

وأقول: الذي يدل عليه أنه تعالى ابتدأ بالوعظ، ثم ترقى منه إلى الهجران في المضاجع، ثم ترقى منه إلى الضرب، وذلك تنبيه يجري مجرى التصريح في أنه مهما حصل الغرض بالطريق الاخف وجب الاكتفاء به، ولم يجز الاقدام على الطريق الأشق والله أعلم.

المسألة الثانية: اختلف أصحابنا قال بعضهم: حكم هذه الآية مشروع على الترتيب، فان ظاهر
اللفظ وان دل على الجمع إلا أن فحوى الآية يدل على الترتيب، قال أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله تعالى عنه: يعظها بلسانه، فان انتهت فلا سبيل له عليها، فان أبت هجر مضجعها، فان أبت ضربها، فان لم تتعظ بالضرب بعث الحكمين.
وقال آخرون: هذا الترتيب مراعى عند خوف النشوز، أما عند تحقق النشوز فلا


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بأس بالجمع بين الكل.
وقال بعض أصحابنا: تحرير المذهب أن له عند خوف النشوز أن يعظها، وهل له أن يهجرها؟ فيه احتمال، وله عند إبداء النشوز أن يعظها أو يهجرها، أو يضربها.

ثم قال تعالى: {فإن أطعنكم} أي إذا رجعن عن النشوز إلى الطاعة عند هذا التأديب {فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا} أي لا تطلبوا عليهن الضرب والهجران طريقا على سبيل التعنت والايذاء {إن الله كان عليا كبيرا} وعلوه لا بعلو الجهة، وكبره لا بكبر الجثة، بل هو علي كبير لكمال قدرته ونفاذ مشيئته في كل الممكنات.



http://www.almeshkat.net/books/open.php?cat=6&book=1523

[Bukharan]

Not trying to be funny and you don't try to look smart dude...;)
It was from the very website that you and your cronies thought to be a Christian conspiracy.



Don't try to be funny...What I meant is where did you get it from? Whar version of the book?
since it says in your profile that you speak Arabic...here is the text from tafsir AlRazi regarding that aya...and show me where does your translated text come from?




http://www.almeshkat.net/books/open.php?cat=6&book=1523

[Bukharan]

Are you going to deny all the sources below as well?

Qur'an- 4:34 "As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to their beds apart (stop having sexual relations with them), and beat them."

The above verse was revealed in connection with a women who complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, which was still marked by the slap. At first Muhammad said to her "Get even with him", but then added 'Wait until I think about it". Later on the above verse was revealed, and Muhammad added,

'We (He and the woman) wanted one thing, Allah wanted another. In other words, God blessed a man slapping around his wife. Zamakhshari, Jalalan and Baydawi also support this.

The Arabic is much stronger that the words "beat them". It actually says "scourge (whip) them". Muhammad Pickthall correctly translates it this way in his version of the Qur'an."

Another Muslim scholar (Imam al-Mawawi, in Riyad al-Salihin, ("The Orchards of Righteous Men"), p 107-108) addresses this issue by relating a story from early Islam:

"Umar Khattab came to Muhammad saying, 'Women have dared to disobey husbands.' He (Muhammad) allowed their husbands to scourge them. Many women approached Muhammad complaining against their husbands because Muhammad received a verse for the Qur'an which commands their husbands to scourge them."

In addition to this Zamakhshari writes "Muhammad said 'Hang up your scourge (whip) where your wife or wives can see it'", (BTV, p81). This is meant to remind the wife that disobedience will bring physical punishment.

Asma, Abu Bakr's daughter said, "I was the fourth wife of al-Zabayr Ibn Awwam. Whenever he became angry at any of us he struck us with a hook rod until it was broken". Zabayr was one of Muhammad's special 'companions'.

http://debate.org.uk/topics/coolcalm/women.html

[Aziz]

Not trying to be funny and you don't try to look smart dude...;)
It was from the very website that you and your cronies thought to be a Christian conspiracy.

So did believe that?

[Bukharan]

So did believe that?

Look above and gimme a more logical view.

[Bukharan]

Do you believe in Sahih Muslim?

Book 009, Number 3506:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter ofKhadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess. Then he withdrew from them for a month or for twenty-nine days. Then this verse was revealed to him:" Prophet: Say to thy wives... for a mighty reward" (xxxiii. 28). He then went first to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and said: I want to propound something to you, 'A'isha, but wish no hasty reply before you consult your parents. She said: Messenger of Allah, what is that? He (the Holy Prophet) recited to her the verse, whereupon she said: Is it about you that I should consult my parents, Messenger of Allah? Nay, I choose Allah, His Messenger, and the Last Abode; but I ask you not to tell any of your wives what I have said He replied: Not one of them will ask me without my informing her. God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/009.smt.html#009.3506

[Bukharan]

Or do you believe in Sahih al-Bukhari?

He explains how Muhammad treated a woman who came complaining about her husband's beating:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (‘Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a." Allah’s Apostle said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless ‘Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that ‘AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

So, he did not reprimand the man for beating his wife. Vice versa, he tried to find the woman's fault in the affair.

[Bukharan]

I believe, that was a tough one. All guns are laid down for now.

Or do you believe in Sahih al-Bukhari?

He explains how Muhammad treated a woman who came complaining about her husband's beating:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (‘Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a." Allah’s Apostle said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless ‘Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that ‘AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

So, he did not reprimand the man for beating his wife. Vice versa, he tried to find the woman's fault in the affair.

[RedBull]

I believe, that was a tough one. All guns are laid down for now.

are you talkin' to yourself now?!

[Bukharan]

are you talkin' to yourself now?!

Oh you heard me!
That is supposed to be your answer, I suppose:)

[RedBull]

Oh you heard me!
That is supposed to be your answer, I suppose:)
i'm tring to learn english with you. PLZ. use more useful words.

[Bukharan]

i'm tring to learn english with you. PLZ. use more useful words.

That's a wrong place then RedBull. Here you gonna learn about Islam with me:)

[Bukharan]

Is there anyone to comment about the following extract from Sahih al-Bukhari? He explains how Muhammad treated a woman who came complaining about her husband's beating:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (‘Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a." Allah’s Apostle said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless ‘Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that ‘AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

So, he did not reprimand the man for beating his wife. Vice versa, he tried to find the woman's fault in the affair.

[Aziz]

Or do you believe in Sahih al-Bukhari?

He explains how Muhammad treated a woman who came complaining about her husband's beating:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (‘Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a." Allah’s Apostle said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless ‘Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that ‘AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

So, he did not reprimand the man for beating his wife. Vice versa, he tried to find the woman's fault in the affair.

this underlined text is not in the original txt of the hadith...and this is the arabic text...


روى البخاري عن عائشة رضي الله عنها زوج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قالت: «جاءت امرأة رفاعة القرظي «وقد ذكرت بعض المراجع انها تميمة او سهيمة بنت وهب بن عبيد» جاءت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وانا جالسة عنده وعنده ابو بكر فقالت:
- يا رسول الله اني كنت تحت رفاعة القرظي، فطلقني فبت طلاقي، فتزوجت بعده عبدالرحمن بن الزبير، وانه والله ما معه يا رسول الله الا مثل هذه الهدبة - واخذت هدبة من جلبابها - فسمع خالد بن سعيد قولها وهو بالباب لم يؤذن له، فقال خالد: يا ابابكر الا تنهي هذه عما تجهر به عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم. تقول عائشة: فلا والله ما يزيد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على التبسم. فقال لها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم:
- لعلك تريدين ان ترجعي الى رفاعة؟ لا، حتى يذوق عسيلتك وتذوقي عسيلته. فصار سنة بعد.
واورد الزمخشري في (الفائق) ان رفاعة طلق امرأته فتزوجها عبدالرحمن بن الزبير، فجاءت وعليها خمار اخضر، فشكت الى عائشة رصي الله عنها وأرتها خضرة جلدها، فلما جاء رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم. والنساء ينصر بعضهن بعضاً. قالت عائشة:
- ما رأيت مثل ما تلقى المؤمنات، لجلدها أشد خضرة من ثوبها. وسمع زوجها انها قد أتت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فجاء ومعها ابنان له من غيرها.
قالت امرأة رفاعة الشاكية: والله مالي اليه من ذنب، الا ان ما معه ليس بأغنى عني من هذه. وأخذت هدبة من ثوبها. فقال زوجها: كذبت والله يا رسول الله اني لانفضها نفض الاديم. ولكنها ناشز تريد رفاعة.
فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: فان كان ذلك لم تحلي له حتى تذوقي عسيلته. فأبصر معه ابنين له فقال: ابنوك هؤلاء؟ قال: نعم. قال: «هذا الذي تزعمين ما تزعمين، فوالله لهم اشبه به من الغراب بالغراب».


It does not say beating anywhere...so keep lieng no more buddy...
FYI: This Hadith was narrated in the book of "Talaq" or "divorce"...and in Islam it is well known that when a woman is divorced three times from her first husband and then married another man and then was divorced, she can't remarry her first husband unless she had sexual intercourse with her second husband...if you don't know why is that....just ask :)

[Bukharan]

You are comparing two different things dude.

Have a look at the link below:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

It is not done by me. It is the official translation of Sahih al-Bukhari. Now, who is lying again?

Stop lying and give me the exact source of your quote with its link as I did.

this underlined text is not in the original txt of the hadith...and this is the arabic text...


It does not say beating anywhere...so keep lieng no more buddy...
FYI: This Hadith was narrated in the book of "Talaq" or "divorce"...and in Islam it is well known that when a woman is divorced three times from her first husband and then married another man and then was divorced, she can't remarry her first husband unless she had sexual intercourse with her second husband...if you don't know why is that....just ask :)

[Bukharan]

Furthermore, how could Imam Bukhari start his narration by saying: "Raw-al-Bukhari 'an 'Aisha raziallahu 'anha"? That means Bukhari is narrating something by saying "as narrated by Bukhari"? lol.

Your text is a summary of Bukhari's narration. whereas my quote is Bukhari's narration itself in English. Which one should be relied upon?

The original one is narrated by 'Ikrima and wrote by Bukhari:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (‘Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a." Allah’s Apostle said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless ‘Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that ‘AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.715

So, he did not reprimand the man for beating his wife. Vice versa, he tried to find the woman's fault in the affair.

this underlined text is not in the original txt of the hadith...and this is the arabic text...


It does not say beating anywhere...so keep lieng no more buddy...
FYI: This Hadith was narrated in the book of "Talaq" or "divorce"...and in Islam it is well known that when a woman is divorced three times from her first husband and then married another man and then was divorced, she can't remarry her first husband unless she had sexual intercourse with her second husband...if you don't know why is that....just ask :)

[Bukharan]

Aziz,

Here you go: another version of it from Sahihalbukhari.com - the very site you had forwarded to me earlier. I hope you accept its authority. Can you spot the difference? I'm afraid not:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow."

http://sahihalbukhari.com/sps/sbk/sahihalbukhari.cfm?scn=dsphadeeth&HadeethID=5447&txt='Ikrima

So, he turns blind eye to Rifa'a's bruises and prefers to give a verdict about a sexual intercourse that was supposed to take place between her and the man she hated.

[Aziz]

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قَوْله : ( وَالنِّسَاء يَنْصُر بَعْضهنَّ بَعْضًا ) ‏
‏جُمْلَة مُعْتَرَضَة , وَهِيَ مِنْ كَلَام عِكْرِمَة , وَقَدْ صَرَّحَ وُهَيْب بْن خَالِد فِي رِوَايَته عَنْ أَيُّوب بِذَلِكَ فَقَالَ بَعْد قَوْله لَجِلْدهَا أَشَدّ خُضْرَة مِنْ خِمَارهَا " قَالَ عِكْرِمَة وَالنِّسَاء يَنْصُر بَعْضهنَّ بَعْضًا " رَوَيْنَاهُ فِي " فَوَائِد أَبِي عَمْرو بْن السَّمَّاك " مِنْ طَرِيق عَفَّانَ عَنْ وُهَيْب , قَالَ الْكَرْمَانِيُّ : خُضْرَة جِلْدهَا يُحْتَمَل أَنْ تَكُون لِهُزَالِهَا أَوْ مِنْ ضَرْب زَوْجهَا لَهَا . قُلْت : وَسِيَاق الْقِصَّة رَجَّحَ الثَّانِي . ‏



You can't conclude that it was definitely beating...because it is not mentioned expelcitely in the Hadith. Moreover, she did not raise the issue about her green skin to the prphet pbuh, she showed it to Aisha "raziallahu anha" only.
Regarding her complaint that he's impetent. The prophet "pbuh" said what he knew...she claimed that he was impetent while he had 3 sons that looked exactly like him from his previous wife, what would that mean?

[Bukharan]

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You can't conclude that it was definitely beating...because it is not mentioned expelcitely in the Hadith. Moreover, she did not raise the issue about her green skin to the prphet pbuh, she showed it to Aisha "raziallahu anha" only.
Regarding her complaint that he's impetent. The prophet "pbuh" said what he knew...she claimed that he was impetent while he had 3 sons that looked exactly like him from his previous wife, what would that mean?

Does it mean that you accept your mistake? Your previous posting was a wrong one, right? Or are you too shy to do so?

[Bukharan]

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You can't conclude that it was definitely beating...because it is not mentioned expelcitely in the Hadith. Moreover, she did not raise the issue about her green skin to the prphet pbuh, she showed it to Aisha "raziallahu anha" only.
Regarding her complaint that he's impetent. The prophet "pbuh" said what he knew...she claimed that he was impetent while he had 3 sons that looked exactly like him from his previous wife, what would that mean?

Before you accused me of lying about Sahih al-Bukhari. but now you have quoted the original text which does not deffier from the translation provided by Sahihalbukhari.com. Look at the sentence below:

أن ‏ ‏رفاعة ‏ ‏طلق ‏ ‏امرأته ‏ ‏فتزوجها ‏ ‏عبد الرحمن بن الزبير القرظي ‏ ‏قالت ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏ وعليها خمار أخضر فشكت إليها وأرتها خضرة بجلدها

How could her (Rifaa's) skin get greener than her green fabric?

And why Bukhari says that women used to defend each other?

And why Aisha says that she's never seen any woman unhappier than a Muslim woman?

What does it all mean to you? Aisha was lying? Or perhaps Bukhari is not