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Iskatel'
02-09-2001, 05:53 PM
As I know some famous persons like Tayson, Mokhammad Ali, Michael Jackson, Iv Kusto are moslems.
Do you know other famous persons from Western hemisphere??
Nicola (Bilol) Anelka. Forward of PSG.
relly?
02-10-2001, 05:02 AM
Is Michael Jackson also Moslem? I haven't heard about it, wow!
look forward
02-10-2001, 05:48 AM
try these links
http://salam.muslimsonline.com/~islamawe/Quran/Science/scientists.html
http://muslimsonline.com/~islamawe/Quran/Science/
Cat Stevence (devoted moslem)
Lucky
02-10-2001, 03:21 PM
As far as I know Tayson belongs to "Nation of Islaam", but I am not sure. They are not Muslims. They believe that all white people are evil, and the Fard Muhammad was God, and the Blaks the Gods on Earth. They were declared unanimously to be Kaffeers by the Fatwaa of World Association of Islamic Scholars. Here is the article about them:
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said it would be 400 years before the real ship Jesus would come and deliver us from this
oppressor and from the ignorance that this oppression had put us under. That real ship Jesus, he said, is God Himself. As it is
written, Elijah must first come because Elijah is the trumpet that lets you know that the Messiah is on His way."(1)
"We call Him Master Fard Muhammad. What has He mastered? He has studied to become master of what He did not create. Allah
created the heavens and the earth. We don't know when, we just say in the beginning... But this man was born in 1877, born into a
creation that is trillions of years old, yet, He has become its master, a master who has studied to master self and then to master the
universe and to master all circumstances where when He come He's called Maliki Yaumi-d-din--Master of the Day of Judgment. He
is a human being, but He is a master of that time period. He masters it by the power and permission of Allah.
...When he left, He was a friend. His name was Wali Fard Muhammad. Wali means a friend, but a protecting friend. One that is your
friend but can protect you from your enemies because he is your friend. And you sing that song, "What A Friend We Have In
Jesus."... Fard means one we are obligated to obey... He used the name Fard because He was telling us that He is one we are
obligated to obey. And sooner or later every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that a Master came to North America, and
with the master grip He pulled Hiram up out of the grave."(2)
A columnist in NOI's "Final Call" magazine says: "...The kind of study this involves is related to my witness of Min. Farrakhan. The
more you know about him and the more you know about prophecy, the easier it is to see those prophecies that refer to him, which
he is fulfilling. This makes it easier to understand his words and acts.
It's surpassed only by that Qur'an which Master Fard Muhammad has written and given to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad,
according to the fifth chapter of Revelation, and otherwise. A portion of that book, by the power of Allah, will be granted to Min.
Farrakhan. I am among those who pray that he is so blessed."(3)
1) Jesus Saves, a talk by Louis Farrakhan on the Saviours' Day, delivered at the International Amphitheater in Chicago on Feb. 26, 1995.)
http://www.finalcall.com/MLFspeaks/jesussaves.html
2) After The Million Man March, Now What? (Part I), (From Farrakhan's Saviours' Day speech delivered February 25, 1996 in Chicago, Il.)
http://www.finalcall.com/MLFspeaks/savs96-1.html
3) Farrakhan The Traveller, by Jabril Muhammad, The Final Call magazine, Online Edition - 24-3-98. http://www.finalcall.com/columns/traveler.html
Lucky
02-10-2001, 03:21 PM
Although the 'Nation of Islam' still retains its original deviant beliefs, their popularity has remained angerously high
among many of the Muslim communities. This has only served to confuse the message of the real Islam, and the
following should clarify the position of the Nation in light of the Qur'an and Sunnah.
The religious doctrines of the NOIcontradicts the essential teachings of Islam, which includes the worship and recognition of
One God, who shares His Dominion with no one and of Whom which there is non like Him. The Nation however believes that
Allah is a person in the name of Fard Muhammad who descended on Earth in July 1930. Elijah Poole Muhammad is
recognised as their prophet, the Last Messenger mentioned in the Qur'an. In Point number 12 of their Testimonials of Faith, the
Elijah Muhammad said: 'We believe Allah (God) appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July 1930, the
long-awaited Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims...'"
They also negate the reality of the Day of resurrection, claiming it to be mental rather than physical, and that the "so-called
Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first."
Prayer is not accepted without the mentioning of Elijah's Muhammad name: "I am the Door. By no means can you get by
except you come by me. Your prayers will not be heard unless my name is mentioned in them ... I have the key to your
salvation, and I have the key to your hell. I can, if you will let me, pull you out of hell and set you into heaven. Then I can keep
you in heaven; or I can keep pushing you and push you into the punishment of hell until you acknowledge that there is no God
but Allah Who came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to whom praises are due forever and that Elijah Muhammad is
His Servant.."1
We need only refer to Louis Farrakhan's words spoken at his ne plus ultra "Million Man March", where he opened with the
following invocation, "I am so grateful to Allah for his intervention in our affairs in the person of Master Fard
Muhammad the Great Mahdi, who came among us and raised from among us a divine leader, teacher and guide, his
messenger to us the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad."
Final Call columnist Bernard Cushmeer, (Jibril Muhammad) states in his book, Is It Possible That The Honorable Elijah
Muhammad Is Still Physically Alive? that Louis Farrakhan today publicly rejects the belief that Elijah Muhammad is dead,
even though Farrakhan saw his teacher's corpse in a coffin in February, 1975. According to Cushmeer, this belief is so well
established, that Farrakhan has said that if it is "determined that the body in the ground reported to be that of the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad, wa in fact his, he would stop teaching."2 It is for this reason that every issue of Farrakhan's The Final Call
newspaper, prints the words, "He Lives" on the inside back page under The Muslim Program. Cushmeer also makes the
following claim:
"If you will take the time and read the Qur'an, and look at the arguments of Messenger Elijah Muhammad on the subject of the
identity of the person addressed by its Author (Allah), it will become clear that Muhammad of Arabia could not be the man for
whom it was ultimately meant...The main thing to know is that the Qur'an was originally written with The Honorable Elijah
Muhammad in Allah's mind as the ultimate recipient."3
On Sept. 1, 1985, Farrakhan's wife, Betty, speaking in Chicago after her return from Mecca where she accompanied her
husband on Hajj, began her speech with the statement "In the Name of Allah, in the name of His True Servant and His Last
Apostle, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, I greet you..." Thereafter, Farrakhan stated that while making tawaf around the
Ka'ba in Mecca, he had loving thoughts about the glorious Prophets Muhammad, Abraham, Ismaeel, and "my father the
Honorable Elijah Muhammad."
On Oct. 24, 1989 and February 28, 1990, Farrakhan declared that he traveled to the "top of a sacred mountain in Mexico
where he was taken in a UFO to a "mother wheel" containing the late Elijah Muhammad"4
Furthermore, in an interview held on December 24, 1989 in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, he still maintained that he accepted Islam in
1955 under the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, and that Fard Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad's teacher was:
"...a means through which Allah presented himself to Elijah Muhammad in the same manner as the Angel Gabriel was a means
through which Allah presented Himself to Muhammad (s.a.w) in the form of a man..."
This should leave no doubt in the minds of the Muslims as regards the true nature of the NOI.
See The Fall of America, p. 205.
1.p. iii.
2.See Is It Possible That The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Is Still Physically Alive? pp. 26-27
See The Washington Post, Oct. 26, 1989; p. B4; and March 1, 1990, page A1, see also ABC's Nightline, October 15, 1996.
Cheers:)
never
02-12-2001, 03:29 AM
Thank you, for good information.
another Muslimis rock star he used to sing
"Wild world " :) sorry do not remember his name is Muslim too his Muslim name is Yusuf Islam
Iskatel'
02-12-2001, 08:28 PM
It is Cat Stevens whose Muslim name Yusuf Islam
Mazgi
02-13-2001, 07:48 AM
Backstreet boys ham musulmonlardan ekan, uni musulmonchasiga--- Ollohni nabiralari der ekan
Mucho mucho gracias iskatel
Afandi
02-13-2001, 11:20 AM
Bolla!
Bu odamla musulmon bo'gani uchun bizam musulmonmizami?
yoki boshqa sabablaga ko'rami?
Manga lichno naplevat chto ula musulmon.
cheers,
Afandi
Iskatel'
02-13-2001, 12:58 PM
Afandi,
ular musulmon chunki bizlar musulmonmiz!
Freestyler's
02-13-2001, 02:22 PM
Vot imenno, <Afandi>! Soglasen s toboy
Takoye oshusheniye, chto vi, rebyata, va kakoy to stepeni chuvstvuyete sebya ne polnocennimi i ishite lyudey, pohojih na sebya sredi znamenitostey, chtobi kak to opravdat' sebya. Ne padayte tak nizko i bud'te samimi soboy.
Chto, razve Michael Jackson i Tyson horoshiye primeri dlya podrajaniya? Backstreet Boys - musul'mane? Smeshno (yesli chesno).
(Take it easy, No offence intended)
stranger
02-13-2001, 02:51 PM
One thing I need to say here is that Michael Jackson is remotely not Muslim, nor is Backstreet Boys....
I think religion comes from the heart and and mind.....
It is good that there are some famous people who became Muslims lately, yet we need to be ourselves and keep on going.....We have to be responsible for ourselves not for anyone else.
Sincerely
Stranger
Iskatel'
02-13-2001, 03:55 PM
Umka,
Gracias a usted!
Rebyata, nu vy zavernuli! Vse tak ser'ezno!!! Azh mne plokho stalo.
Nikto s nikh ne beret primer i ne sobiraetsya. I tvoi slova, Freestyler's, ob opravdanii sebya pered kem-to vyglyadyat prosto nekorrektno.
Prosto interesno bylo ob etom uznat' i nikakoi podopleki zdes' ne bylo.
Take it easy, guys
nobody.
02-13-2001, 05:57 PM
Iskatel, i support u. Dont care what Freesteler speaks, he is always like this.
BTW, Guys do u know with khom Lennox Lewis is going to fight next? Yes, He is Muslim Guy, called Naseem Mansoor. He is from US and they will fight in South Africa in 5th of April. Naseem is an Arab guy (as i think, i have seen his photo wearing traditional Arabic wear) and is going to visit Makka before his fight with Lennox (MAY BE he wants to make Hajj). He is 3rd in IBF. He is not too good, that's why the promuters of Lennox have chosen him. Its far from reality, that he can win Lennox( who knows, Wallohu A'lam).
Anyway, i told it just for information, and i am not going to be like them.
See u guys.
Best regards
nobody.
Asali
02-20-2001, 02:27 PM
Ey Afandi,
Man sani basharanga tupurgan bulur edim. Gapingni uylab gapirgin. San kim bulding musulmonlarni yuziga tupuradigan. Ahmoq!!!!
Haqiqiy muslim bulganda eding bunaqa demas eding. Muslimlarda brotherhood degan narsa bor . Ular uz muslim birodarlarini aybini, hatosini boshqalarga oshkor qilmaydi. San bulsa daje tupurishgacha borvossan.
Muslimmi u or not buni Yaratganni Uzi biladi, san emas. But muslim bilan kofirni ajratib turadigan narsa bu 5 vaqt nomoz. Bu haqda hadis bor.
Tak chto uzingga kup narsani pozvolyat qilma.Think before you speak something about Islam or muslims. Otherwise keep silent. This is safer for you cos everyone will be judged in the Day of Ohira about what he said.
o'zbek
02-20-2001, 05:41 PM
Asali hamma gapingga 100% qo'shilaman, lekin "But muslim bilan kofirni ajratib turadigan narsa bu 5 vaqt nomoz. Bu haqda hadis bor." degan joyini o'qib hayron bo'ldim, nahotki shunday qat'iy ruhda aytilgan hadis bo'lsa? Balkim ma'nosini chaqish kerakdir, balkim Arabchasini o'qimagandirsan. Agar tarjimasini o'qib hulosa chiqargan bo'lsang yahshiroq biladigan odamdan so'rab olish kerak. Nima bo'lganda ham bu Hadisning ma'nosini chaqish kerak, zero namoz o'qimay Islom dinini dinim deb, qo'ldan kelguncha boshqasavob ishlarni qilib yurganlar ham bor...
Avvaldan javobingga minnatdorchiligimni bildirmoqchiman.
Lucky
02-23-2001, 05:37 PM
Question of Fatwa:
There is an Arab individual, who calls himself a Muslim but hasn't prayed or
fasted during Ramadan his entire life. Is it obligatory to greet him as a
Muslim? And is it obligatory to perform the janazah for him when he dies?
Another question: What is the ruling for the one that abandons salaah?
Name of Mufti: Yousif Ali Qardawi
Content of Reply:
What is the opinion for a person that is hired by an institution or an
organization to perform certain jobs, is responsible over certain things,
and gets a salary although he does not do what he is supposed to do? He does
not work entire days or even some of the hours from a day while he has the
ability to work, he has simply chose not to do so and he is neither sick nor
is he constrained from doing the work? The members of the board differ as to
what should be done with this worker: Some of them say that because he did
not do his main responsibilities then there should be no punishment except
firing him or removing him from his job. Others say that there should be a
punishment other than firing him as long as he was not careless about
his work and was not scoffing about it. And this is an example that shows us
the stance of the Islamic scholars on a Muslim who abandons the acts of
worship in general and specifically the obligatory daily salat. Some of them
view that the first responsibility for a Muslim, or a person, in his life is
to worship Allah alone. To abandon it makes one no longer considered to be
doing the actions of a Muslim. And because of this he does not deserve the
name of Islam, or to be underneath its title. This view is supported by what
was transmitted in the authentic hadith: Between a man and disbelief is the
abandonment of salat. The covenant that separates us from them is the
salat. So whosoever has abandoned it, has disbelieved. Others view that if
he does not deny it or belittle the obligations of Islam, and recognized
that his own actions are lacking and is regretful about it and longs to
repent, then he remains in the circle of the Muslims and is judged to be
within Islam. But the one that abandons the salat is one of two. Either he abandons it rejecting its obligation, or looking down upon it and is fed up with its
sanctity. This person is a disbelieving apostate by consensus of the
Muslims. The obligation for salat and its position is well known in Islam. So anyone
who denies it or looks down upon it rejects Allah and His Messenger (pbuh).
He does not have in his heart any faith that would amount up to a mustard
seed. And he is the same as the disbeliever whom Allah has described by
saying: And when you call for salat, they take it as a mockery and a joke;
this is because these are people who do not understand. (5:5 ) So now we
know the status of the ones that consider salat and worship as a type of
hindrance or something unimportant and make fun of the ones who establish
salat. Or either he abandons it out of laziness being occupied with worldly
things, following his desires, or getting whispers from shaitan. The
scholars have differed about this: Is he a disbeliever or a sinning transgressor? If
he is a sinning transgressor does he deserve to be killed or is punishing him
with beating and imprisonment enough? Imam Abu Hanifah says: The one that
abandons salat is a sinning transgressor. It is obligatory to reprimand and
discipline him with severe beating until blood flows and to imprison him
until he performs salat. This is the same for the one that abandons the siyaarn in
Ramadan. Imam Maalik and Ash-Shafi'ee say: He is a sinning transgressor
and not a disbeliever. But it is not enough to whip and imprison him.
Lucky
02-23-2001, 05:38 PM
Rather,if he insists on abandoning salat his punishment is to be killed. Imam Ahmad
said, from his most famous narrations: The person who abandons the salat
is a disbeliever, away from the religion. He has no punishment except that
he be killed. So it is obligatory to request from him to repent to Allah and
return to Islam by performing the salat. If he accepts but if not his neck is to be
cut It says about their description on the Day of Resurrection: On the Day
when severe affliction shall befall them, and they shall be called to
prostate, but will be unable to do so. Their eyes will be cast down, abasement will
cover them - Before, they were called to prostrate themselves while they
were able. (68:42-43) The view of the Qur'an is that one does not deserve
to have his blood safeguarded and honored to have him considered within
the brotherhood of the Muslims except if he repents from polytheism,
establishes the salat, and pays Zakat. Allah says about the condition of the
polytheists: But if they repent, and establish salat and pay Zakat, then
let them go their way. (9:5) But if they repent, and establish salat and pay
Zakat, then they are your brothers in religion. (9:11) The Qur'an gives us
an image from one of the images of the Hereafter. When the disbelieving
sinners are in the burning fire, and the believers are from the companions
of the right, they will ask them: What has led you into Hell? (74:42) Which
means, what is it that made you enter this fire? They will say: 'We were
not from those who prayed, Nor did we feed the poor. And we used to say vain
things with vain talkers. And we used to deny the Day of
Judgment.(74:43-46) The first indication of their disbelief and foolishness
is that they were not from those who prayed. If we go back to the Sunnah we
will see the prophetic ahadith confirming the disbelief of the one that
abandons salat Jaabir has narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said: Between
a man and disbelief is the abandonment of salat. Buraydah has narrated
that the Prophet (pbuh) said: the covenant, which separates us from them,
is the salat. So whosoever has abandoned it, has disbelieved." It has come
from Mu'adh Bin Jabal that the Prophet (pbuh) said to him: "Do not
deliberately abandon salat. For the one that deliberately abandons salat
will have nothing to do with the protection of Allah." Collected by Attabaranee
and Al-Munthiree who said: "It is okay to use it as a reminder." Abdullah
Bin Umar narrated that he mentioned salat one day, so the Prophet (pbuh) said:
"Whosoever conserves it, it will be as a light, proof, and salvation for him
on the Day of Resurrection. And whosoever does not conserve it, it will not be
as a light, proof, or salvation. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be
with Korah, Pharaoh, Hamaan, and Abi Bin Khalaf." And Ibnul-Qayyim, may Allah
have mercy on him, says: "Whoever's kingdom occupies away him from salat,
he will be resurrected with Pharaoh. Whoever's wealth occupies him away
from salat will be resurrected with Korah. Whoever's high rank occupies him
away from salat will be resurrected with Hamaan. And whoever's business
occupies him away from it will be resurrected with Abi Bin Khalaf." So if
the one that does not conserve his salat will be resurrected with these
imbecilic disbelievers - and they have the worst punishment from abandons salat? Has lived his whole life without bowing to Allah or prostrating to Him? The
Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whosoever abandons 'Asr salat has lost his works
(deeds)." So if abandoning a single salat vanishes his deeds, then what
about the one that abandons all of the salat? Abu Hurairah narrated that the
Prophet (pbuh) planned to burn the houses of an entire group of people
because they separated themselves from the congregational salat.
Cheers, :)
Guys, I bought a tape with some songs of Yusuf Islam (more known as Cat Stevens in the Western World)
- dedicated to Bosnians - they are cool !!!
Freestyler,
"Takoye oshusheniye, chto vi, rebyata, va kakoy to stepeni chuvstvuyete sebya ne polnocennimi i ishite lyudey, pohojih na sebya sredi znamenitostey, chtobi kak to opravdat' sebya. Ne padayte tak nizko i bud'te samimi soboy."
Ti oshibaeshsya uvajaemiy, narprimer ya ochen schastliv, chto ya musulmanin; u menya est to, chto u tebya net t.e. Vera - Iman, a vse chto ti imeesh u menya est (mojet bit bolshe chem u tebya), Allohga shukur. Freestyler, a pochemu bi tebe ne ostanovitsya pisat na temu religii, zachem ti tratish svoyo vremy vpustuyu - vse ravno je ti ne poverish, chto On est? Mojet eto ot togo, chto ti koleblishsya chto ti ateist? Ne luchshe li tebe prosto bit normalnim chelovekom - zivilizovannim - i uvajat lyudey tak kakie oni est, religioznie ili net... .
"Chto, razve Michael Jackson i Tyson horoshiye primeri dlya podrajaniya? Backstreet Boys - musul'mane? Smeshno (yesli chesno)."
Net, M.Jackson i Tyson ne horoshie primeri dlya Musulman; no esli sprosit znatokov musiki ili boksa to oni mogut vse taki bit primerami (ya ne znatok v obeih, no sam bivshiy sportsmen - champion oblasti, prizer oblastnih serovnavaniy i bivshiy chlen oblastnoy kommandi po karate).
A vot Muhammad Ali, Yusuf Islam yevlyayutsya horoshimi primerami dlya vseh i dlya Musulman i dlya znatokov boksa (sporta) i muziki. Nemezkoe mestnoe radio peredayot pesni Yusufa Islam kajduyu nedelyu (Cat Stevens), a Muhammad Ali bil priznan samim luchshim sportsmenom 20 veka. Znaesh chto, mne ya ochen pozavidoval nashemu bokseru, olimpiyskomu chempionu, kogda nash Prezident lichno vstrechal ego v aeroportu 3 oktyabrya proshlogo goda; a esli Muhammad Ali bil bi uzbekom, prosto ne nado bilo ne kakoy reklami dlya Uzbekistana minimum na 30-40 let, ne pravda li?
Freestyler, ne nado pisat bolshe protiv Islama i vseh religiy voobshe; bud samim soboy i ostav v pokoe veruyushih.
s glubokim uvajeniem ko vsem - veruyushim i prosto zemlyakam,
Nasl
Guys, I bought a tape with some songs of Yusuf Islam (more known as Cat Stevens in the Western World)
- dedicated to Bosnians - they are cool !!!
Freestyler,
"Takoye oshusheniye, chto vi, rebyata, va kakoy to stepeni chuvstvuyete sebya ne polnocennimi i ishite lyudey, pohojih na sebya sredi znamenitostey, chtobi kak to opravdat' sebya. Ne padayte tak nizko i bud'te samimi soboy."
Ti oshibaeshsya uvajaemiy, narprimer ya ochen schastliv, chto ya musulmanin; u menya est to, chto u tebya net t.e. Vera - Iman, a vse chto ti imeesh u menya est (mojet bit bolshe chem u tebya), Allohga shukur. Freestyler, a pochemu bi tebe ne ostanovitsya pisat na temu religii, zachem ti tratish svoyo vremy vpustuyu - vse ravno je ti ne poverish, chto On est? Mojet eto ot togo, chto ti koleblishsya chto ti ateist? Ne luchshe li tebe prosto bit normalnim chelovekom - zivilizovannim - i uvajat lyudey tak kakie oni est, religioznie ili net... .
"Chto, razve Michael Jackson i Tyson horoshiye primeri dlya podrajaniya? Backstreet Boys - musul'mane? Smeshno (yesli chesno)."
Net, M.Jackson i Tyson ne horoshie primeri dlya Musulman; no esli sprosit znatokov musiki ili boksa to oni mogut vse taki bit primerami (ya ne znatok v obeih, no sam bivshiy sportsmen - champion oblasti, prizer oblastnih serovnavaniy i bivshiy chlen oblastnoy kommandi po karate).
A vot Muhammad Ali, Yusuf Islam yevlyayutsya horoshimi primerami dlya vseh i dlya Musulman i dlya znatokov boksa (sporta) i muziki. Nemezkoe mestnoe radio peredayot pesni Yusufa Islam kajduyu nedelyu (Cat Stevens), a Muhammad Ali bil priznan samim luchshim sportsmenom 20 veka. Znaesh chto, mne ya ochen pozavidoval nashemu bokseru, olimpiyskomu chempionu, kogda nash Prezident lichno vstrechal ego v aeroportu 3 oktyabrya proshlogo goda; a esli Muhammad Ali bil bi uzbekom, prosto ne nado bilo ne kakoy reklami dlya Uzbekistana minimum na 30-40 let, ne pravda li?
Freestyler, ne nado pisat bolshe protiv Islama i vseh religiy voobshe; bud samim soboy i ostav v pokoe veruyushih.
s glubokim uvajeniem ko vsem - veruyushim i prosto zemlyakam,
Nasl
look forward
02-25-2001, 02:45 PM
Hadisning manosi shundayki: Islomning beshta sharti bor, va har bir musulmonman degan, bu besh amalni bajarishi farz, lekin Olloh(SWT) bandalariga ogirlikni tilamaydi, va olji bolmagan haj qilmasin(5-shart), hasta, iloji bolmagan roza tutmasligi mumkin(4-shart), yetarlicha boyligi bolmagan zakot bermasligi mumkin(3-shart), namoz oqishga hech qanday layoqati/kasallanib yotib qolish yoki biror bir namozga tosqinlik qiluvchi holat/ bolmagan namoz oqimasligi mumkin(2-shart), lekin u imondan voz kechdimi kofir boladi(1-shart).
look forward
02-25-2001, 02:50 PM
Sorry i have not read the opic to the end, i appologise if i have written what you guys had written in the second page
Bolla, I prolly know 'bout Michael Jackson a lot more than most of you :) a'right, and hey, I have not found a single credible evidence that his religion is Islam no eti sluhi ya tozhe slyshal neodnokratno okmi? A tak scorpio vsyo taki skoro mne pesenku etu dast, ya znayu on horoshiy :)
Iskatel'
03-02-2001, 06:16 PM
Гёте и Ислам
В 1999 году исполнилось 250 лет со дня рождения Иоганна Вольфганга Гёте - великого немецкого поэта, чье творчество занимает ключевое место в национальной культуре Германии конца XVIII - начала XIX веков. Многие из тех, кто изучал жизненный путь Гёте и литературное наследие поэта, признают, что его философские, литературные и естественно-научные труды играют для немцев столь же значительную роль, сколько труды Шекспира - для англичан или произведения Пушкина - для культурного наследия России. К главным свидетельствам жизненного кредо Гёте относятся многочисленные письма, написанные друзьям и близким людям, а также цикл стихов "Западно-восточный Диван", написанный под сильным впечатлением от прочитанного в 1771-1772 годах Священного Корана и "Дивана" великого персидского поэта и суфия Шамс ад-Дина Мухаммада Хафиза Ширази (Хафиза). Хотя Гёте публично не объявлял себя мусульманином, во многих произведениях великого поэта четко прослеживается отношение автора к Исламу и его духовно-нравственным ценностям. Жизненное кредо Гёте, его представление о мире, о смысле бытия, о соотношении человеческого и Божественного удивительным образом совпадают с исламским видением этих проблем. Был ли Гёте мусульманином - ведомо лишь Аллаху Всевышнему. Но достоверно известно, что он считал Священный Коран Откровением Бога, а Мухаммада (мир ему) - Его Пророком. В 1995 году в г. Веймаре группа исследователей во главе с шейхом Абдулкадыром аль-Мурабитом изучила многочисленные произведения и письма Гёте, что дало шейху А. аль-Мурабиту достаточные основания вынести фетву, в которой поэт признается мусульманином. В предлагаемой статье проведен краткий обзор основных материалов, связанных с вынесением этого богословско-правового заключения.
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muslim
03-03-2001, 09:30 AM
A Few Honest Words
Some well-known and respected non-Muslim figures give their opinions about Islam.
"I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the
countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and
which alone can lead men to happiness."
Napoleon Bonaparte (1)
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is
the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of
existence which can make itself appeal to every age."
George Bernard Shaw (2)
"Medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colors.
They were, in fact, trained to hate both the man Muhammad and his religion. To them, Muhammad was anti-Christ. I have studied him, the wonderful man, and in my opinion, far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the savior of humanity."
George Bernard Shaw (3)
"...Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion
of the future."
W. Montgomery Watt (4)
"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and
forcing Islam at the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths
that historians have ever repeated."
DeLacy O'Leary (5)
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the
world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael Hart (6)
"A totally objective examination of it [The Qur'an] in the light of modern knowledge, leads us to recognize
the agreement between the two, as has been already noted on repeated occasions. It makes us deem it quite
unthinkable for a man in Mohammed's time to have been the author of such statements on account of the state of knowledge in his day. Such considerations are part of what gives the Qur'anic Revelation its unique place, and forces the impartial scientist to admit his inability to provide an explanation which calls
solely upon materialistic reasoning."
Maurice Bucaille (7) -a noted French scientist who converted to Islam after studying the scientific
miracles in the Qur'an.
(1) Bonaparte et L'lslam, Cherfils, Paris, pp. 105-125.
(2) The Genuine Islam, Vol. I, no. 81936, George
Bernard Shaw.
(3) Ibid.
(4) Islam and Christianity Today, W. Montgomery
Watt, London, 1983, p. ix.
(5) Islam at the Crossroads, DeLacy O'Leary, London,
1923, p. 8.
(6) The 100 Ranking of the Most Influential Persons
in History, Michael Hart, 1973, p.33.
(7) The Qur'an and Modern Science, Maurice Bucaille,
1981, pg. 18.
curious one
03-15-2001, 10:14 AM
Famous Converts to Islam
Khadijah - wife of Muhammad. First convert to Islam.
Shabbetai Tzevi - seventeenth-century Turkish Jew who had claimed to be Messiah and attracted a large following.
His conversion to Islam largely dissolved this mass messianic Jewish movement, but also resulted in the development of
the ongoing Donmeh religious movement.
Malcom X - early leader of American "Black Muslim"/Nation of Islam movement; later a convert to Sunni Islam
Cat Stevens - British rock musician; changed name to Yusuf Islam
Art Blakey - American Jazz musician
Muhammad Ali - boxer
Mike Tyson - boxer
Hamdan Chris Eubank - boxer (super middleweight boxing champion)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - basketball player
Queen Noor - American-born queen of Jordan
Maryam Jameelah - Jewish American essayist and poet. Formerly Margaret Marcus.
Daniel Moore - Anglo-American poet
Muhammad Marmaduke (William) Pickthall - author and Quran translator
Michael Wolfe - author, journalist (The Hadj: An American's Pilgrimage to Mecca; One Thousand Roads to
Mecca: Ten Centuries of Travelers Writing About the Muslim Pilgrimage; ABC Nightline documentary "An
American in Mecca")
Aminah Assilmi - Denver area broadcast journalist; now director of the International Union of Muslim Women
Jemima Goldsmith - daughter of British billionaire Sir James, who married Imran Khan. Changed name to Haiqa
Khan.
Famous People who are NOT Converts to Islam
The following famous individuals have been the subject of widely circulated but completely fabricated "conversion to Islam"
rumors:
Neil Armstrong
Jacques Cousteau
Michael Jackson
Links
Suite101: Famous Converts to Islam - Anayat Durrani has an excellent and useful list of famous converts to Islam. It has
more information about each person. It was from here that we were able to learn about and add four additional names to
our list: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Muhammad Marmaduke (William) Pickthall, Hamdan Chris Eubank, and
Michael Wolfe.
We also recommend the entire Suite101 Islam site as an excellent resource.
Suggested Links:
http://www.adherents.com/lit/sf_conv.html
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/islam_in_the_us/33392
And you should definetaly visit the web page below :
http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_websites.htm
It's awesome, you can also read the stories of conversions.
May Peace be to you,
Shumiy
curious one
03-15-2001, 10:47 AM
I thought it was pretty interesting to read what kind of people and in what ways they have been led to the Hidaya (the Truth)
Cool link of tons of more converts and their stories:
http://www.thetruereligion.org/converts.htm
Assalamu alaykum wa Rahmatullohi wa barakatuh
once more,
Shumiy
Lucky
03-15-2001, 04:51 PM
Russian Archpriest Viacheslav Polosin Converts to Islam Nezavisimaia gazeta--religii, 2 June 1999
http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_polosin.htm
Cheers, :)
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