Islamic mutual funds

[mumu]

http://www.ihilal.com

[SUN6500]

Oh, this is so funny!!! I almost fell off my chair! What's next to expect ? A Kosher Stocks and Konfutsian Bonds ? :)

[SUN6500]

By the way, I put the trace on ip above and its pointing to J.P.Morgan. Is JP Morgan behind this ? If yes, wow! Corporation will do anything to get your money :)

[mumu]

Sun some people might be concerened about the way they earn money
there is a high doubt about kosher bonds or confutian stocks, however i know a lot of christian have a concept of usury too
if you did not appreaciate my sharing information
good for you
JP Morgan did not start i-banking yet
however i heard rumors about HSBC and Citigroup's activities towards this matter

vobshem nauchis informasiey vospolzovatsya vmesto togo chtobi izdevatsya

i eshe mojet s morgana ip i napisali etot message no tochno ne create this website :P

medal tebe v pupok pasan :*

[SUN6500]

Medal mne v pupok? Oy ne smushay menya mumu ;) (i gde ti tak nauchilsya govorit?) Lol! Ti ne ogorchaysa mumu, ya ne xotel tebya obidet'. Prosto idea pokazalas ochen' smeshnoy kogda ya trace sdelal na etot ip i okazalsya v J.P.Morgan. Mol, zdes' kak to vixodit s skazki "Seriy Volk i Krasnaya Shapochka" (i.e., eto vovse ne babushka a seriy volk) :)

A naschet "pazana", ti naprasno. I eshe, animated gif s krasnimi gubkami ....hmmm...podozritel'no ;)

[mumu]

naschet pasana :) sorry i did not know you were a lady :)

a naschet gubok ya obichno ne krashus :*
no mne etot icon ponravilsya :)
no offense

totally understand that it is ironic that someone from JP Morgan's ip would post this sort of a message

i would advise to investigaten the site because there are a lot of people in ibanking
(Islamic banking)

mumu

[SUN6500]

Sorry to disappoint you, I am not a lady, I am a man as you are. I'll investigate it to find out who is behind it (i.e., what country specifically is, b'se it takes a lot a money and effort to deploy a transaction oriented site and maintain it). Very interesting though...

Cheers :)

[Lucky]

Dear SUN5600, please do not be so cynic...Do not laugh on the people, not a good habit. You know what happened to Freestyler, he kept on mocking people, and ended up apologizing.
you started to play on peoples' nerves :) We all know that you HATE ISLAM and do not say that you do not. The same way,neither do we like you , particularly me :) if you'd like to enhance your studies of Islamic finance or banking chekc these out, http://www.americanfinance.com/
http://www.islamic-banking.com/homepage.html
http://islamic-finance.net/bank.html
http://www.muslim-investor.com/mi/ifi.phtml
Cheers, :)

[SUN6500]

Wow, chill out Lucky :) I don't hate Islam. Pay attention to the content of what I wrote. Besides, I thought we really did start a fruitful conversation on IRC but somehow when I started asking more questions about sharia law you just bailed out on me. And I am not laughing at people, read again the thread to familiarize yourelf. If you don't like me, that's fine, please don't fool yourself that I'll be crying rivers over it. ;)
Finally, please don't talk on behalf of all people here. What do you mean 'we' ? Do you represent a specific group here ? Whom have you been appointed by ?
Anyway, Best of Luck :)

[qwerty]

Hey guys, what's up with you? First mumu, then Lucky. Don't you have any sense of humor or desire to analyze and critisize. SUN6500 might have been a litlle bit ironic but this makes his messages interesting to read.
Lucky - where did you get that "The same way,neither do we like you...." (SUN6500 I guess). Who're those "we" except you and how do you know other people's feelings about SUN6500? To tell the truth I enjoy reading both SUN6500 and Freestyler's messages in this board, and it looks like they have smth upstairs.

BTW mumu chto znachit "i eshe mojet s morgana ip i napisali etot message no tochno ne create this website"
hmm, tak s morgana eto napisano ili net, ili ti (nadeus' ne protiv shto na ti) vse eshe somnevaeshsya. Takoe oshushenie chto morgan eto ne finansoviy institut a kakoe to zlachnoe zavedenie. :)

[qwerty]

Oops, looks like SUN6500 has posted his message while I was composing mine - poka verstalsya nomer kak govoritsya.

[Lucky]

Come on bro, :)I was not bailing on you,I answered to all the questions you asked as much as I could.The technial problems on internet was the cause of our conversation's happy end :),otherwise you were apparently ready to bail on me :).The "We"is "US",Muslims, Definietly Muslims do not like the people who throw trash on Islam. You have a right not to believe in Islamic teachings,but you do not have a right to publiize your hatred towards Islam.Do not you guys have anything to do than throwing trash on others' beliefs?And why Islam? Best wishes,BTW the talk about Sharia was so good that it would not hurt if you had changed your opinion about Islamic rulings after that.
cheers, :)

[IcyCool]

Agree with Alex, even if it is Morgan, so what?

[nobody]

Alex and 6500th son> Lucky mean me too.

[qwerty]

Nobody -> "Alex and 6500th son> Lucky mean me too."

What's that supposed to mean? ???

[mumu]

assalam aleykum
Sun bro easy :) first of all i am not the man like you are
no i was not dishonored "erkaklar sarfidan" but i was just lucky enough to be born lady :) lool

Lucky bro may you are taking some matters not in a right way
me and Sun were just joking and i did not see the storm coming

Sun if you wanna find out more about Shari'ah law
check out this websites
http://www.islam.org --> they have a message board there
someone might be able to recommend you a good site

http://www.soundvision.com -->they might enlist some bookes on the related topic

GUYS PEACE
do not make the mess out of nothing

Guli

[nobody]

Alex >when Brother Lucky said " The same way,neither do WE like you " he meant me too, as well as other Brothers.

[SUN6500]

Ooops, Guli... I am sorry, my mistake!!! I didn't want to offend, the fault is mine :)
For Lucky: Actually we were not even in a middle of what I was trying to get. We were establishing certain facts about sharia law and I was merely trying to find out facts based on your understanding. Besides I was not ready bail on you, where did you get this idea ? I was asking you primarily, remember ?? And you trying to say that I was throwing "trash on Islam?" I didn't know that being curious and questioning is throwing trash on Islam. Or did you just generalize ?
And, you said "you do not have a right ot publisize your hatred towards Islam". Wait a second, who is publishing what ? So if I say it looks funny how my search for Islamic Banking somehow showed J.P.Morgan's IP address it would be according to your understanding "throwing trash on Islam ?" So anything with a name of Islam (or on its behalf ) is untouchable ? If tomorrow, some country will start manufacturing gas chambers and calling it "Islamic Gas Chamber" and I'll go against it, so according to your understanding I am against Islam ? I can't question it ?

I have absolutely nothing against Islam, nor do I have anything against Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism. I respect them all. For me, these are just means to reach ends. My analogy for religion is airlines. To fly from NY to LA, you can take Delta, American, Continental, US Air, Northwest or any other airlines. They all will lead to the same end, you'll just be taking different means to reach the same end. What I don't like fanatism which can be found on any of these religions as well as it can be found on any idelogy like communism or national-socialism. You just can't question it. It is paramount and absolute. But means do not justify ends all the time. You can't say ' I will force you to take my airline to reach your destination whether you like it or not. If you think otherwise you're an enemy. If you are not with us, you're against us.' This is just not civil.


"BTW the talk about Sharia was so good that it would not hurt if you had changed your opinion about Islamic rulings after that."

I am glad you enjoyed our conversation about Sharia ruling on IRC. But I don't understand why would you brand me as a "trash thrower" if you have enjoyed the conversation ? I thought our conversation was quite civil and I thought we were getting somewhere, but apparently not.
Sorry to disappoint you but I am very far from being convinced on Islamic rulings.

Best of luck to you too, Lucky.

PS. Before you say 'us', 'Muslims' and start representing the entire Muslim populations opinion you may as well get a formal representation. Otherwise, I would encourage you to talk from your behalf (or that of halfwit 'nobody' s as well)

To nobody: It is SUN6500. Before you start insulting people with "6500th son" it wouldn't be such bad idea for you to think before you burp things out. Good luck.

[umka]

"Kind words and the covering of faults are better that charity followed by injury, Allah is free of all wants and he is Most-Forbearing" 2.263
Al-Baqara

[SUN6500]

Wow, Umka I didn't know it was you! Listen I am sorry, I really didn't want to offend you. Anyways, did you listen to Austin Powers mp3s I sent you out ? They're really funny aren't they :) :) :)

[mumu]

:) are you sure you know me?
i never got any austin powers mp3

[SUN6500]

Wait...I am confused. I spoke with someone "umka" on IRC and sent her out some funny mp3 of Austin Powers. I guess I mistook you for someone else. Things happen :)

[mumu]

guess so
well
let me intoduce myself Umka :) but not Umida
this leads a lot of people to confusion!

[SUN6500]

Pleased to have your acquiantance :) I am SUN6500, Fully Automatic Autonomous Surveryor :)

[qwerty]

I thought Islam prohibits receiving or paying interest and interest is considered as a sin in Islam.

[umka]

did you look at the site?
that's why i found it very interesting

[bubu]

Hehe nice topic Umka,
SUN6500 calm down. Almost every major investment advisory firm has its own network of mutual funds. For example, the largest and probably best known, is Fidelity Investments with over 220 mutual funds, $500 billion in assets under management, and 36 million shareholder accounts. Many brokerage firms, such as Merrill Lynch, Charles Schwab or J.P. Morgan also have large investment advisory operations. What's wrong with that if they create mutual fund dedicated to investing money in religion. In fact, there was Parnassus Fund (investment for charities and other nonprofits; christian fund) that has a return of 94%, triple the 32% earned by the S&P 500 index over past three years. So why not invest money in islamic fund? On the other hand, there are some "sin" funds, which invest money in weapon production, nuclear power , gambling, tobacco, alcoholic beverages industries.

P.S."..By the way, I put the trace on ip above and its pointing to J.P.Morgan. Is JP Morgan behind this ? If yes, wow! Corporation will do anything to get your money"----> I think this attitude is totally wrong (no offence,my personal opinion). Why not invest in religion for good deeds???

[me]

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:)
che rabubukalsya?

[SUN6500]

No, Bubu don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Islamic funds. Let them be. I just thought, well here it is an Islamic banking e-site aside from all Datek and E-Trade. And I said, 'what if I'll put trace on it?' And all of a sudden I see 400 lbs Gorilla of JP Morgan popping out of bushes and it seemed kind of funny. That's why I brought an analogy of Little Red Riding Hood. And that's why I said that corporations will do anything to get your money. What I am curious as well, as Alex pointed out, about interest factor and Islam having contradictory underpinnings in overall idea. Other than that, no big deal :)