UzFootball: Long terms objectives vs. short term strategy

[krokobazuka]

Now that the hopes for WC2002 are almost minimal there is one major issue to consider for our national team - where to go now?

IMHO The current strategy of Uzbek National Team is not very strong in terms of long term success. What our coach does is he takes players from another countries (the ones that never going to make their national teams) and plays them in Uzbek National team. So has been done with Dionisiev, Georgiev, Maminov, Agalarov etc. But is it really a good strategy? I think not - because these players lack one major thing - THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RAISED IN UZBEkISTAN AND DO NOT HAVE THE SAME URGE AND DESIRE TO DO REALLY REALLY FCKING WELL FOR UZBEKISTAN. This strategy is only near-sighted, it's not gonna be well for a long term. Think about it - teams in Europe like San Marino (where lot of people if I am not mistaken speak Italian if not all of them) etc could take the Italians that never gonna make to the Italian national team and stop being a "automatic 3 point" team. But they do not do it! Because they have national pride.

If we keep doing this uzbekistan will never be a good team. Instead, we should train our own players, play our own players - may be that will mean a failure in the near term, but it's gonna pay off in future.

Also, I think it's time for some of the players departure and let the youngsters play. For example: Kasimov is already 33. During the next qualifications he will be 37. If we find a new playmaker (may be not 1/3 as good as Kasimov) and play him for 3-4 years, we might get a young good playmaker by the next qualifications...

What you think?

[krokobazuka]

VERY MUCH AGREE :) UZBEKWORLD IS GETTING BETTER :)
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UFF kills three opportunities in one tournament
Monday, September 24, 2001, 9:08 UZ
The slightest breath of UAE brought Uzbekistan to the deadlock; bye our hopes said the nation with a grief on September 22 at 21.02 when referee whistled to finish the match with 0-1 loss of Uzbekistan to UAE… But the head coach of Uzbekistan Salkov could stay with the national team and bring a couple of other undiscovered Russian players for an initial experience to ‘play for us’ in remaining hopeless World Cup qualification matches. Their starting games have always been perfect according to the recent history of Uzbek football.

Regrettably UFF not only killed the team’s qualification opportunity for World Cup 2002 finals but is also partially destroying chances for players’ experience to Asian Cup 2004 and WC 2006 with its short term goals. It is due to the fact that it was Maminov, Pashinin, and soon-to-be-disappeared Polyakov who have stolen Uzbek players’ chances for experience and Russian players are using and will use it for their own goals, which has nothing to do with Uzbek national team. Additionally, many players in the squad are getting aged and won’t play in the next World Cup finals.

It wouldn’t cause so much regret if young talented Uzbek players like Hamidullaev, Mirholdorshoev, Muminjonov, Baqoev, Seitkomolov, Gofurov have had gained some experience. Undoubtedly recent 5-0 loss of Oman to Uzbekistan will provide their victory over Uzbekistan in two years as long as many young Oman players have already been gaining much experience with it. Yesterday’s a 0-1 loss to UAE should not upset the fans because mostly junior players constituted the team. Uzbekistan needs to continue to play with young Uzbek players forgetting about impossible ways of qualification as long as these juniors will gain know-how and benefit the national team for sure in the following vital international tournaments.

Uzbekistan has always been proud of the Uzbekistan’s triumph of Asian Games in Herosma. However, they never admitted that triumph was achieved with senior Uzbek players over junior teams. Now those junior teams are giving us trouble.

The following is the match details, which were supposed to be live reported On September 22, but due to technical problems our efforts fell ineffective.

Uzbekistan – UAE clash, being significant in its nature for both teams, did not call usual big number of Uzbek fans to the Pakhtakor stadium. After Uzbekistan’s loss to China, the number of Uzbek fans who used to come to stadium and support the team was considerably decreased, showed half empty stadium.

[cute]

So what, I mean did uzbekworld.com said something special. Everybody knows these things, it is very simple, BONALNO. of course if you play young players after 2-3 years they will become a good team. It is EVERYWHERE in the world. But "everywhere" has different situation, after one campaign they change whole team and show the same game, really GOOD game. Cameroon, Mexico and so on. They can easily do that. But when you look at our league you'll see that last campaigns player who was a failure with the team, is still THE BEST. So we should skip him and go for babies who can't do anything rather than showing enthusiasm. NATIONAL TEAMS ARE DIFFERENT THAN CLUBS. You can't play young players and hope for the future, you should play THE BEST players and involve the younger ones. Which is I think being done at the moment with Uzbekistan.

As for Maminov, georgiyev, agalarov, pashinin. Only the suitable ones are playing, Maminov Polyakov and now Agalarov. We know how Maminov plays, Polyakov is also good, at least at the moment. Agalarov was one of the best in the last game. As for Bulgarians even earlier I told that they will leave if they don't play good.

What UFF can be criticised is the lack of friendlies, that's the main problem. But as for others....... ASK YIG'LOQI WWW.UZBEKWORLD. COM :)

[krokobazuka]

A pochemu by togda ne sobrat vseh igrokov kotoriye did not make into the National squads of Argentina, Brazil, England, Spain, Italy? We will have a super team - we won't have any Uzbeks in the team - but it doesnt matter does it?

[bubu]

Ya dumayu vsya otvetstvennost' neudachnogo vistupleniya lejit na UFF i Sal'kove lichno. Uveren igroki v nashey komande nichut' ne huje drugih. Ne smogli vovremya podgotovit', ne bilo sigrannosti mejdu igrokami. Ya dumayu uchitivayu vseh igrokov (vklyuchaya privlechennih) mojno bilo vi sostavit' ne menee 2 (!!!) ravnosil'nih sostavov s raznimi taktikami (attacking vs defending football). Privlekaya igrokov v posledneyu minutu nichego konkretnogo ne dobyoshsya. Gde igroki s Neftchi? s Navbahora? s Dustlika? Uveren v kajdoy iz etih komand naydyotsya po 2-3 igroka dostoynih vistupat' na mejdunarodnom urovne.

[cute]

Kroka man,
Nikto ne govorit o igrokah Argentina, Brazil, England, Spain, Italy, prosto ne nado govorit mnogo o molodih igrokah, kotoriye potom, v kakoye-to vremya, mojet bit prinesut kakuyu nibud' pol'zu.
A pro UFF soglasen, oni ne rabotayet kak doljni. Tak bilo i ranshe, tak budet i v blijayshem budushem. Krome togo vinu na kakih -to konkretnih lits stavit nelzya, nepravilno. Salkov svoyu rabotu delayet. Napomnyu on vo vsyakom sluchaye Qatar viigral, i ne ustupil s schetami 1-8, 0-5.
Mne prosto interesno chtobi vi sdelali yesli bi vam skazali nam nujno proyti v World Cup. Yemu tak i skazali, on sdelal samoye optimalnoye. Priglasil nekotorih igrokov.
Nikto ne mutit Fatihu Terimu Zato chto on kupil Umit Davalu, i hotel kupit Hakana Sukura, i v sleduyushem godu kupit u Intera eshe dvuh turkov.

Yest je raznitsa v long term i short term strategy. U nas eshe ne dumayut o long-term strategy, i eto ne vina trenera kotoromu prosto prihoditsya priglashat svoih igrokov. UFF toje , skajem ne vinovata na 100%.
Ya prosto uveren yesli bi mi viigrali 1-0 u arabov, nikto bi ob etom ne govoril, ved eto vpolne bilo vozmojno, prosto omad kemadi.

[krokobazuka]

Pralna Cute,
ne vinovat na 100 pudov Salkov, no eto i ego vina chto on ne mog ubedit UFF chto nado sozdat normalnuyu komandu. A ved imenno coach inogda i stavit usloviya kakim obrazom on budet trenirovat the team. a tak eto bolezn aziatskogo futbola menyat trenerov kak noski.

byloby horosho esli nashi nachali osnovatelno gotovitsya k wc2002 shas. naigrivat igrokov etc... eh lanna vse ravno eto b/s :) ot nas eto ne zavisit :) hotya mojet bit esli kto nibud stanet tipa hokimom ili ministrom mvd budet eshe predsedatelem UFF :) i togda mi pokajem brazilcam kitaycam i mongolam vsyakim kak igrat v futbol :)

[soccerhooligan]

Vinovat, ne vinovat.. odno skazhu.. Salkov pedarast!
Viyobivalsya mnogo.. ooo mi kitay pobedim, arabam doma otomstiiim.. osyol vonyuchiy!!!
Nikak ne mogu poverit' chto posle takogo (ocherednogo) pozornogo proigrisha (UAE-UZB 1:0) vse spokoino razoshlis' po domam.. Nety u nas nastoyashih fanov.
Nado bilo stadion szhech', Salkova izbit', da eshyo glavnoe arabov pokalechit' (chtob oni bol'she futbol ne mogli igrat'!). ;D

Shit.. sometimes i wish we had some fans like Aston Villa Hardcore, Hammarby or Glasgow Rangers fans.

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No one ever says "It's only a game!" when their team is winning
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Pissing down with rain on a Tuesday night,
I stood and watched my team play like a bag of shite,
The goalie's a twit, the striker's a twat,
The referee's a git and he's blinder than a bat,
So what!? You scored? Well shut your ****ing gobs!
You might have won, but we've got bigger knobs. ;)

[Realist]

Cute ili kto ti tam.
Ya naprimer skazal chto ne dovolen igroy komandi posle togo oni vyigralu 5:0. Tam bilo vido, chto eto ne komanda.
Sravneniye s Fatih Terim schitayu ne umestnim. On trener Kluba a ne sbornoy. Yesli ti chut chut znayesh turetskiy furbol, skaji mne pochemu oni ne "kupyat" igrokov dlya natsionalnoy komandi? U nih deneg skolko hochesh. Krutaytsya desyatki millionov dollari v klubnih sdelkah.
Galatasaray viyigral kubok UEFA i superkubok. tam mnogo inostrantsev. No v sbornuyu nikakaya hot chut chut uvajayushaya sebya strana ne beryet inostranninh grajdan.
Realist.

[Cute1]

Gospodin realist,

Ya znayu chto Fatih Terim neumesten dlya sravneniya, ya prosto tak dlya rassujdeniya skazal.
No v svoyu ochered' ya toje skaju chto futbol Turtsii ne sravnim s futbolom Uzbekistana. U nih yest INFRASTRUKTURA yesli mojno tak skazat'. A u nas sbornaya v rukah 2-3 chelovek. V turtsii vse na meste, daje yesli yest ne dostatki. U nih igroki drugogo urovnya, net problem naprimer s fitness. Sbornaya provodit tovarisheskiyi, i gotovitsa po normal'nomu. A u nas etogo poka nelzya sdelat', take that into account.
I yeshe yesli znayesh Turtsiya toje v svoye vremya 2 Nigeriytsev v svoy sostav vzyala, ne pomnyu imena. Pravda oni ne igrali mnogo, kak i nashi inostrantsi (Imena toje pomenyali).

Kroka napisal short/long term strategy. Tak vot kogda otborochniyi 2002 bili blizki vsem prosto prishlos' tak postupit, drugogo vihoda pomoyemu ne bilo. Eto toje nado uchitivat'

[ducktastic]

Gospodin realist,

Ya znayu chto Fatih Terim neumesten dlya sravneniya, ya prosto tak dlya rassujdeniya skazal.
No v svoyu ochered' ya toje skaju chto futbol Turtsii ne sravnim s futbolom Uzbekistana. U nih yest INFRASTRUKTURA yesli mojno tak skazat'. A u nas sbornaya v rukah 2-3 chelovek. V turtsii vse na meste, daje yesli yest ne dostatki. U nih igroki drugogo urovnya, net problem naprimer s fitness. Sbornaya provodit tovarisheskiyi, i gotovitsa po normal'nomu. A u nas etogo poka nelzya sdelat', take that into account.
I yeshe yesli znayesh Turtsiya toje v svoye vremya 2 Nigeriytsev v svoy sostav vzyala, ne pomnyu imena. Pravda oni ne igrali mnogo, kak i nashi inostrantsi (Imena toje pomenyali).

Kroka napisal short/long term strategy. Tak vot kogda otborochniyi 2002 bili blizki vsem prosto prishlos' tak postupit, drugogo vihoda pomoyemu ne bilo. Eto toje nado uchitivat'


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