Hamdigarro bishnosem

[Bizhan]

Har tojike (ironie) ki voridi in site meshavad, lutfan in ja payom bigzored, to hamdigarro behtar bishnosem.

[orzu]

Gapa rostasha gum agar, man namedonam shumon Samarqandiyon yoki Bukhorogiyonro tojik mushumored yo ne ???

Agar tojiik shumored, man hudama shinos mukunam, faqat bad az shumo. :)

[Bizhan]

Buxorogiyon va samarqandiyon az jumlai asiltarin tojikonand, dustam.

[SUN6500]

Be fekr qatti mane ke mardo'me Buxoro-u Samarqand asli Turk hastand vale zabuneshon Forsi ast.

[QOTMADROM]

Aji- baji -buji- muji- gaji- niji ...nimala divotsanla turi gapirlarin tushunbumayopti !!! Manimcha soqovla shunaqa gaplashadi ... Man unaqaje bunaqaje gapiromimaje Hopmije :-))

[SUN6500]

Qotmadrom,

Qisqasini qilib aytganda Bizhan degan xunasa kelib "har tojik va eroni bu erga kelib bir birimiz bilan yaqindan tanishib olaylik" degan. Bunga javob qilib DREAM " To'g'risini aytsam men bilmayman agar siz Buxoro va Samarqandliklarni Tojik deb dushunasizmi" deb so'ragan. Va keyinchalik agar haqiqatan ham bizlarni Tojik deb hisoblasangiz men o'zimni ham Tojik deb bilaman ammo agar siz shuni tan olsangiz deb aytgan.

Bunga javoban Bizhan "Samarqandlikar va Buxoroliklar asliy Tojiklardan bo'lishadi, do'stim" deb javob bergan.

Keyinchalik, men: "Qatti'y firkim bo'yicha Buxoroliklar va Samarqandliklar Forsiy tilda so'zlashuvchi turk qavmlari" deb javob berganman.

Bizhanning asli maqsadi O'zbekiston xalqini Tojik-u-Uzbekka bo'lib ularni qarama-qarshi qo'yishdan iborat. U bir o'taketgan ablah, past, kallasi po'k odam. Manqurt deb shularga aytishgan.
Ayon bo'ldi deb o'ylayman.

[Juchara]

My knowledge of Tajik language:
1. Avqot hurdagem omsas.
2. Hayetadba tochka memonam
3. Kunte
4. Har
5. Kus and ker
6.Soat chan shut
7. Shohata pochata mushkanam, gospand
8. Mol pit-pit nakun
9. Gujoba budi?
10. Pista kunet.
11. Danaba kshe/pshe
12. Man tuya nagz mibinam
13. Tu manba me fori
14. Duhtari
15. Bacha

[Juchara]

oops, forget smth.
Thank u very much Anwar, Akram, Shahriyor, Shavkat and other guys from Samarkand and Buxara (for such tuition) FBM 96!!!

[Bizhan]

Sun,
Tojikiyi tu az ozbakiyi man ham badtar budaast. Digar tojiki nanavis. Agar mexohi chize bigui, hamon beh ki rusi yo inglisi binvisi. Digar in ki tu hanuz ma'niye manqurt-ro namedoni. Manqurt misli tu odamone hastand ki guzashtashonro faromush kardaand.
Ozbakhoe ki zaboni moro namefahmand, lotfan ba in safha nadaroyand. Xasta meshavand. Tojikho, shumo kujoed?

[SUN6500]

Tojiko az sare gousoleh hastand! Tu ke ki hasti maro tarbie mikuni ? Tu ke kasi nisti! Man zabune turo xeyli xub midunam, tu ke aslan zabuni Uzbeki mutavajjeh nisti bexotere hamun xoxesh mikununam dam beshini!

>Manqurt misli tu odamone hastand ki guzashtashonro faromush kardaand.

Man faromush kardam ?? Na, manke midunam ki hastam, odam chi hastam. Tu ke nameduni ki hasti, injo omada harfoi bozorg mizani ? Tu ke odam nisti, mixohi Tojiko va Uzbeko jang bukunand! Xun mixohi ? Xune ziyod mixohi ? Boyad be berodari bo'zorgi tu, be nizomiyone Russi harf bezan!

>Ozbakhoe ki zaboni moro namefahmand, lotfan ba in safha nadaroyand. Xasta meshavand.
Xasta meshavand, az ki ? Tu ? Hahahah!!!
Injost mole Uzbekiston! Agar mixohi harf mezani injo lutfan be ehtirom harf bezan! Agar namixohi, lutfan beguzor az joi omadi!

[dddd]

SUN, shumo zaboni Tojikiya judo hub medonid.

Hamsoya Bizhan: Mebahshid, lokin SUN6500 tug'ri guftan. Joi shumo members.boardhost.com/tasjikistan

[Bizhan]

Sun,
Holo mekhohi donishi forsiru be ruxe mo bekeshi?
Oxe xandedor ast! Shoyad bitavoni dar bozor raf'i hojat bikoni, vali be hich vajh tasavvor nakon ke zabone forsiro be xubi baladi. Forsi daryoi bekaron ast. Tu yek qatre az onro nush kardi.
Man agar ozbaki namedonistam, harfhoi tu va hamqowmonatro che gune motavajjeh mishodam? Faqat man ghami in zaboni bicharero mixoram ke aziyat xohad shud. Oxe ozbaki zaboni nist ke odami dorost be on harf zanad. Vagarna ozbaki hamon forsist bo du-seto fe'li torki-mogholi.
Hamon gune ki to xoneye maro xoneye xod gumon kardi va fikri birun raftan az onro nadori, man ham in sahifero xoneye xod midonam va fikri birun raftan az onro nadoram. Va be to mashvarat mikonam ke po az in safhe bekeshi, ozbaki mehmonsitez!

[Bizhan]

Tojikho ki xud jang didaand, hargiz talabgori jang nestand. In tu va misli tu afrode hastand ki mexohand Uzbakistonro ba otashu xun bikashand.

[SUN6500]

Bizhan, tu ke heyvune bichore hasti, bexotere hamun man aslan namixoham bo to harf mizanam. Tu ke enson nisti ki harfoi bozorg-u nodon mizani. Xeili xohesh mikunam buru az injo be heyvunistone ki tu omadi :)

[Bizhan]

Sun,
Ma'mulan heyvoono hamaro heyvoon tasavvor mikonand. Man ta'ajjob nemikonam ke yek ozbak be man mige: Heyvon! Xodesh heyvoontar az har kase digast va hamaro heyvoon tasavvor mikone. Bichare, badbaxt!

[SUN6500]

Man heyvoon ? Aslan na. Tu ke yaki xare bichoree Tojik hasti ke harf mizane injo. Manke odam hastam ke mitavonam heyvoon ro bishunosam. Bixotere hamoon ke turo Tojikie badbaxtro hiyvoon shunostam. Buru az injo be Heyvunestone ke tu omadi, heyvone bichoree badbaxt. :)

[bizhan]

Sun,
Nomeye axiret be towre vahshatnok xandedor bud. Barot az samime qalb mota'assefam. In jo dige be xubi neshoon daadi ke forsit dar che hadde va xodet che kesi hasti. Toza dozdi ham mikoni, ozbake badbaxt. Age mardi, vozheho-o eborote xodeto begu, NIMNOXODI! Ha-ha-ha!!!

[SUN6500]

Yaki bud, yaki nabud, yaki xare Tojakii Bizhon bud. Un bache bud ke xeyli nozdona! Har che lingak mizad ke lingake shirinie Tojaki. Injo umada go'ftke "Man yaki bachee Tojakii nozdona, maro nizomiyoni Rusi ke dar keshvare man zindagi mikunand, nizomiyone Rusi ke 18,000 hastand in Tojakeston, xeyli az man xusheshun miyod. Man har che kushesh mikunam ke onro xushhol bukunam ke dar doulat man zindagi bukunand"

Hahahaha :)

[SUN6500]

Ovod-->Bizhan: Identity Crisis. Now we can really say that Mr.Ovod...errrr Mr.Bizhan....errr Mr.Mirzo is experiencing deep homosexual crisis resulted in multiple personality disorder. Since Mr.Ovod hasn't been attending anger management, his homosexual side of his second personality self is proving to be too overwhelming in all aspects of his miserable Tojak life including his foul language in this message board. The only solution as I see is an exhuberant amount of enema followed by pickle feeding and lots of sunshine :)

[Bizhan]

Kazhdyi dumaet po mere svoey isporchennosti. Sun v svoem poslednem pis'me dokazal, chto on stradaet ne tol'ko kompleksom nepolnocennosti, on k tomu zhe samyi posledniy gomik. No tvoi gomoseksual'nye vyrazheniya nikak ne vyzyvayut u normal'nyx muzhchin strasti i zhelaniya poimet' tebya, o badbaxti bechora!

[SUN6500]

Vot immeno ti i dokazal chto ti i yest na samom dele stradayushiy ot glubokogo gomosexualnogo krizisa transfesti. Ti ne tol'ko bol'shoi idiot i xodyachiy patologicheskiy vopros chelovechestva, no i krugliy ostolop. Tvoya nenavist' k drugim naziyam eto yest posledstviya patologicheskogo gomoseksual'nogo krizisa kotoriy ti danniy moment perejivaesh. Bachei lingakbozi, nozanin ;)

[Bizhan]

Sun,
Digar forsi nanevis ke hamaro xarob kardi. Forsi ozbaki nest ki har kase qodir ba sohbat kardanash boshad.
No ty opyat' taki povtoryaesh moi zhe slova, bednyi ozbak. Ty dazhe pol'zueshsya vyrazheniyami gomikov. Nikto ne somnevaetsya, chto ty samyi posledniy goluboy ozbak. A takix kak ty tam mnogo.
Ya nenavizhu tol'ko takix kak ty. A s drugimi naciyami u menya ne bylo i ne budet problem, v otlichie ot tebya.

[SUN6500]

Chero, bobo ?? ;) Forsi baladam dige, forsi O'zbeki nistki "birodaroi azizi" Tojako mitunand yod bigerand. Vale aqli kalee unho xeiyli kutoh ast.

Sam durak :) Takix "golubenkix" kak ti v Afghanistane ochen' lyubyat :) (Bachee nozanin, ey ;) )A naschet kak ti skazal chto ti nenavidish takix kak ya, to ti naprasno! Ti nenavidesh ves' Uzbekskiy narod. Ot tebya uje naftalinom nenavisti paxnet, cherdachniy ti piderast :)

[Iranyar]

Sun speaks good Persian, also bizhan speaks ggod persian, everyone speaks it in his own way, probably I would have my own dialect and someone else his. it is no use to argue about who knows it better. Just my opinion.

[Bizhan]

Iranyar,
We are not discussing with Sun who better knows Persian and who worse? He has offensive language about Tajiks and Persians and this is his (?) problem. We are not talking about dialects in Persian language. The root of our talk traces to his deep hostile feelings towards Iranians.

[SUN6500]

Yo, pal. Read your messages in this thread and in other thread of this MB to refresh your memory. YOU'RE the one who started all this hatred tagging Uzbeks with offensive names, YOU'RE the one who started idiotic/stupid claims that had no base, and YOU'RE the one who cherishes war in the region, based on your language. Now, Sherlock, if you're so smart enough why don't find out why you're so full of hatred that it is now coming out of your nose ?? One thing I hate the most is stupidity! And stupid you're for coming to this board and and instead of trying to patch things up between Uzbeks and Tajiks you started fouling about us. Go back to your own board and you can stink there as much as you can hold your breath back. Idiot!

[Iranyar]

I don't know why Tajiks and Uzbeks should fight with each other, Uzbeks and Tajiks are the most similar nations to each other. Almost all culture and way of lives is the same.

dear Bizhan: Indeed there are some Uzbeks here who say stupid things about people of Iran, but as general I don't see Uzbeks as a hostile people, these people with hiostile view agains us should not be the reason that we see all Uzbek nation like them, These people are ignorant but the overwhelmingly majority of Uzbekistan's population are friendly and understanding. problems of these people who say bullshit is, that they have attended the Turkish financed highschools and have learnt bad things, if they were going to a normal school their attitudes and level of knowledge would be different.

[Monsi]

Salom dustoni aziz!
man az Shaxri Samarkandi. man bihostam ki bo tojikon hamsuhbat shavam holo man dar Olmoniya hastam iloje digare nadoram, ki bo tojikon hamsuhbat shavam. man zaboni hudno az yod mebaroram dar nazdiki. azizon ki sherhoi tojiki donad ba injo navisand. man dust medoram sher va musiqai tojikiro.
hayr duston to boz dit.
hudo hofiz.
Monsi

[Kanz]

sher va musiqai tojikiro.

bag'oyat chiroyli so'zlar, Monsi suzlarizni tushunganimdan :-) boshim osmonga yetib magazinga borib bitta ironi CD olmoqqa ahd qildim ;-)

[Iranyar]

Monsi candi pish, yeki az dustanam inja farsi gap zad, torkparastan ba u jang kardand ke farsi nabayed gap zad, goftand tanha Ozbaki o Rusi o Engelisis amm xod Torki ba Torkan gap mizanand :( amma man bara ye to xwastom muzik post konom, amma yahoo "attach"nakard, e-maile marwa didi?

[Monsi]

Salom dustoni azizam!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man Monsi, az Samarkandi bustoni mebosham. ki kase ki sherhoi tojiki donad dar injo navisand man juda ham mechostam ki sherhoi tojikiro dar in jo bichonam.

[orzu]

Chto vi vse napali na nego iz-za togo, chto on hotel poznakomitsya s tadjikami Uzbekistana. Fakt est fakt, chto v nekotorih rayonah Uzbekistana lyudi govoryat na tadjikskom, takje kak i v nekotorih rayonah Tadjikistana, Kirgizstana, Kazakhstana jivut uzbeki.

SUN6500
"...Tojiko az sare gousoleh hastand!.."
Bilmadim bu bilan nima demoqchisiz, lekin bu aytgan gapingiz yaxshi emas. Manda shunaqa fikr tugilyaptiki, haqiqatdan ham ba'zi odamlar tojiklarni juda yomon kuradi. Man uch yil Toshkentda yashaganman, bilaman Toshkentliklarning kupi tojiklarni yomon kuradi. Sababini bilmayman. Agar qiyin bulmasa, sababini aytvorasizmi?

Bizhan
"...In tu va misli tu afrode hastand ki mexohand Uzbakistonro ba otashu xun bikashand..." (tarjimasi: San va sanga uxshaganlar Uzbekistonni alagayu qonga olib borasizar) Manimcha uni aytgan gapi tugri. Chunki mana shu threadda u Uzbekiston yoki uzbeklarga qarshi hech nima degan bulmasa ham, SUN6500 "Bizhanning asli maqsadi O'zbekiston xalqini Tojik-u-Uzbekka bo'lib ularni qarama-qarshi qo'yishdan iborat. U bir o'taketgan ablah, past, kallasi po'k odam. Manqurt deb shularga aytishgan." deb aytgan. Bilmadim, balkim SUN6500 juda katta psixolog busa kerakki, odamlarni bir-ikkita gapiga qarab "asli maqsadi" nima ekanligini bilib olsa.

P.S. Mana biz umidchilar Amerika, Angliya, Kanada, Germaniya, Yaponiya, Frantsiyada turib bir-birimiz bila uzbekcha gaplashamiz, bir-birimizni izlab topib tanishamiz, bunga qarab usha yerda yashaydigan mahalliy aholi "bu yerda davlat tili falon til, boshqa tilda gapirish mumkin emas, sizlarni joylaring Uzbekiston, usha yerga borib uzbekcha gapiringlar, sizlar bu yerda har-hil millat ajratib, bir-biriga qarama-qarshi quymoqchisizlar" deb aytmaydiku. Nahotki uzbekcha mehmondustlik shunaqa bulsa?! ???

[Bizhan]

Dear Iranyar and Dream,
I agree with both of you. I have got many Uzbek (Ozbak is the Persian pronunciation) friends and we are good friends indeed. Because they don't think like Sun or some other Uzbeks of this site. They are not anti-Tajiks though they are patriots of their homeland too. I like patriots but not chovenists. I advise you, Sun, learn from Dream how to be a good Uzbek (and there is nothing offencive in the word of "Uzbak").

[SUN6500]

I am not anti-Tajik, you idiot. The very reason that I learnt Persian is a reason enough for my respect to Persian culture and heritage. What I am against are the dumbass people like you who try to put one nation against the other and tell people they're the victim in this case, as if they don't what they have done. I've seen too many posting of you and made my opinion about category of people you do actually belong. So don't make an Easter-Bunny out of yourself and a preach victimhood in this thread. Dumb cracker!

[Iranyar]

Dear Sun and Bizhan, the main contibutor to hatred and instigating ethnic conflict in our region are the Turkish Grey wolves, MHP of Turkey and Turkish authorities. as well as Taliban and their masters, Arbs, USa and Is.rael. They are jealous of our region and want to steal our wealth and resources

[SUN6500]

Who is MHP ?

[Iranyar]

Milli hareketi Partisi, also Milli Gorush, these are Panturkist/Panislamist parties/Organization in Turkey and very influential in Turkish politics.

[SUN6500]

Well, I don't know about MHP so I wouldn't comment. Regarding US, I think any country would really try to rip off another one so one has to be on alert to not get screwed by another country, as what has happened to Africa. It is up for another countries discretion.

[Student@]

DREAM (Apr 15, 2001 15:12):
Chto vi vse napali na nego iz-za togo, chto on SUN6500
"...Tojiko az sare gousoleh hastand!.."
Bilmadim bu bilan nima demoqchisiz, lekin bu aytgan gapingiz yaxshi emas. Manda shunaqa fikr tugilyaptiki, haqiqatdan ham ba'zi odamlar tojiklarni juda yomon kuradi. Man uch yil Toshkentda yashaganman, bilaman Toshkentliklarning kupi tojiklarni yomon kuradi. Sababini bilmayman. Agar qiyin bulmasa, sababini aytvorasizmi?

Chunki mana shu threadda u Uzbekiston yoki uzbeklarga qarshi hech nima degan bulmasa ham, SUN6500 "Bizhanning asli maqsadi O'zbekiston xalqini Tojik-u-Uzbekka bo'lib ularni qarama-qarshi qo'yishdan iborat. U bir o'taketgan ablah, past, kallasi po'k odam. Manqurt deb shularga aytishgan." deb aytgan. Bilmadim, balkim SUN6500 juda katta psixolog busa kerakki, odamlarni bir-ikkita gapiga qarab "asli maqsadi" nima ekanligini bilib olsa.
;;;
nahotki uzbekcha mehmondustlik shunaqa bulsa?! ???


<<<Toshkentliklar 'tojiklarni yomon ko'radi'>>>

'HARIP' degan atamani eshitgan bo'lsangiz kerak, HARIP arabchadan(G'ARIB) tarjimasi 'BEGONA' deganini anglatadi. Bu narsa nafakat Tojiklarga, balki Toshkentlik bo'lmaganlarning hammasiaga ishlatiladi. Navoiy ham yozib ketgan 'begona' odam kanday munosabatda bo'lishi hakida:

G'urbatda Garib shodmon bo'lmas emish
El anga shafiku mehribon bo'lmas emish


>>>'Biznan' ni yozgan gaplariga kelsak, - kuzatib yurgan bo'lsangiz, paykashingiz mumkin uning O'zbeklarga nisbatan bo'lgan kayfiyatini. 'Tajikistan' threadidagi postlarni o'kib chiking, etarli khulosaga ega bo'lasiz.

'O'zbek' so'zi butun dunyoda kabul kilingan atama, kimdir buni atayin, birovni kamsitish maksadida takror-takror 'O'zbAk' deyishini kanday kuvvatlash mumkin, bilmadim; Men o'zim tegi Farghonalik tog'lik sart O'zbekman, u erda O'zVAk degani 'Ivan' deganini anglatadi.

To'g'ri talaffuz kilinishi O'zbek yoki 'O'zbeg' - o'rta asr tarixchilari ko'llagan atamalarini buni anik yozib ketishgan. Hech kim UlugbAk, yoki OtaBAK demagan, BEK - BEG!

Mehmondorchilik o'z yo'liga, hurmat o'z yo'liga!

[Buxoro]

Hallo evrybody! I'm here only for the first time and I really would like to talk with somebody from Bukhara. It doesn't mean I'm going to ignore people from other domains( everybody welcome to talk with me).
BUXORO

[dilik]

Buxoro (Apr 25, 2001 08:28):
Hallo evrybody! I'm here only for the first time and I really would like to talk with somebody from Bukhara. It doesn't mean I'm going to ignore people from other domains( everybody welcome to talk with me).
BUXORO

I am from Bukhara..

[doesn't matter]

Student,

Ayrim etib utgan fikrlaringizga tuhtalib utmokchi edim.

> 'HARIP' degan atamani eshitgan bo'lsangiz kerak, HARIP arabchadan(G'ARIB) tarjimasi 'BEGONA' deganini anglatadi

Kechirasiz-kuya, do`stim, HARIP bilan G`ARIB orasida yer bilan osmonchalik fark bor. HARIP so`zi kuprok HARIF so`ziga tug`ri keladi. Bu F harfini P talaffuz kilish orkali kelib chikadi. Agar menga ishonmasangiz, Uzbekistonga borib yana bu hakda so`rashingiz yoki suhbatlashingiz mumkin. Sizni bilmadimu, lekin men ayni usha ishlatilgan HARIP so`zi men uchun emas.

Navoiydan misol beribsiz. Misollingizga hech kanday karshiligim yuk. Lekin, agar Navoiyni yahshirok bilsangiz, uning bironta yozib koldirgan asaridan o`zbek so`zini topa olasizmi? Topib yozib koldirsangiz juda hursand bulardim.

Keyin, men O`ZBEK va O`ZBAK so`zlari oralarida hech kanday yomon narsani, yoki yomon fikrni kurayotganim yuk. Fors-tojik tilida biz bilgan hozirgi O`zbekiston hududida yashovchi, uzini o`zbek deb bilganlarga nisbatan O`ZBAK kalimasi ishlatiladi. Kolaversa, menimcha, O`ZBEK degan kalima Soviet`lardan keyin paydo bulgan kalima hisoblanadi. Aslida ushbu kalima kadimda O`ZBAK sifatida ishlatilgan. Bu hakda shubhangiz bulsa, tarihiy kitop va asarlarni bir varaklab kuring. Masalan, ayni usha sizni ta`gingizga yakin bulgan Boburshoh'ning "Boburnoma"sini.

Keyin, iloji bulsa bir, revolyutsiyadan oldin tashkariga chikib ketgan biron eski O`zbaklardan "millating nima?" deb bir surab kuring. Sizga ular O`ZBEKMAN deb javob beradimi yoki O`ZBAKMAN deb javob berarmikin.

Men bu bilan o`zbeklarga yoki O`zbekistonlik aholiga hech kanday karshiligim yuk. Mening maksadim, masalaga obyektiv karashingiz bilish holos.