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sanjar
03-25-2001, 12:21 PM
Tarixdan saboqlar: Turonda bosqichlar

Turon - Turk(iy)lar yeri ma'nosini anglatadi.

Quyidagi bosqichlar shartlidir!

BIRINCHI BOSQICH: (eramizdan av. 2000 yil)

Massagetlar, Saklar va boshqa 20ga yaqin qabilalar hozirgi O'zbekiston hududida o'troqlashgan.

Huddi shu Massagetlar hozirgi Turkiy xalqlar(ayniqsa O'zbeklar)ning asl ildizi hisoblanadi;

IKKINCHI BOSQICH:

Turon-zamin Ilk Uyg'onish davrida: Beqiyos Ko'shon, Ko'hna Xorazm, keyinchalik Buyuk So'g'diyona, Ulkan Baktriya, Go'zal Parkana davlatlari;

UCHINCHI BOSQICH:

Ko'hna (va mustaqil) Xorazm, Yunon-Baktriya davlatlari;

TO'RTINCHI BOSQICH:

Buyuk Xorazm hegemoniyasi;

BESHINCHI BOSQICH:

Arablar hukmronligi;

OLTINCHI BOSQICH:

Turon Birinchi Uyg'onish davrida: Somoniylar, Qorahoniylar, Xorazmshohlar, Saljuqiylar davlatlari;

YETTINCHI BOSQICH:

Turon Fors hukmronligi ostida;

SAKKIZINCHI BOSQICH:

Turon Mo'g'ullar hukrmronligi ostida;

TO'QQIZINCHI BOSQICH:

Turonda Ikkinchi Uyg'onish davri: Temur va Temuriylar Imperiyasi - "Biz kim - mulki Turon, Amiri Turkistonmiz! Biz kim millatlarning eng ulug'i, eng qadimi - Turkning bosh bo'ginimiz!"

O'NINCHI BOSQICH:

Qisqa davr Shayboniylar hukmronligi

O'N BIRINCHI BOSQICH:

Amirlik va Xonliklar: Turonning Qora Kunlari (ref: A. Qodiriy);

O'N IKKINCHI BOSQICH:

Ruslar bosqini va milliy Respublikalar tashkil etilishi davri;

O'N UCHINCHI BOSQICH:

Milliy Ozodlik kurashi davri va Sovet Ittifoqi: - Turonning Izolyatsiya davri[/B];

O'N TO'RTINCHI BOSQICH:

Sovet Ittifoqi Qulashi va Turon(O'zbekiston)ning Istiqlol davri;

O'N BESHINCHI BOSQICH: (prognoz)

Buyuk Kelajak Davri! ;-)

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Manba': Prof. Ramazonov (Tarixchi Olim)- "Markaziy Osiyoda Milliy davlatchilik", Cho'lpon, 1990.
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Tarixchi - SJ bobo 8)

(Quyidagi chizma faqat shartlidir (c) SJ, 2001)

sanjar
03-25-2001, 12:26 PM
Ohirgi Uchta bosqich muallifi kamina. 8)

SJ

OPTIMIST'
03-25-2001, 12:54 PM
Sanjar,

7 va 4-boskichlani o'rni almashib kolgan shekilli, Forslar arablardan oldin bolgan, va HORAZM aynan 10-11-12 asrlarda yuksalgan

OPTIMIST ;p

sanjar
03-25-2001, 01:10 PM
OPTIMIST,

Manimcha, Birinchi Uyg'nonish davridan keyingi Fors hukmronligi G'aznaviylarga to'g'ri kelsa kerak.

O'sha G'aznaviylar paytida Xorazm mustaqilligini saqlab qolgan bo'lishi kerak (Khwarezm has been very lucky).

SJ 8)

Akhee-Abdullah
03-25-2001, 01:13 PM
Huddi shu Massagetlar hozirgi Turkiy xalqlar(ayniqsa O'zbeklar)ning asl ildizi hisoblanadi There is no clear evidence for that, It is a hypothesis. Massagets lived around Aral sea upper northern nowadays Uzbekistan, and they were nomadic, according to many historians.The people who lived in Khorazm, and nowadays heartland Uzbekistan were not greatly nomadic. It is known that they used pahlavi letters in Koharasm, and soghdian language in Samarkand, and we know that those people were not Iranian,otherwise it would not make sense for Persians to invade Central Asian city-states, 500th BC, but the kin borthers of Persians, like Kazaks and Uzbeks, not the same nation, but the root is the same.Basically they were not Turkic nations, although I wish they were, so that it would be easier to justify our long history :)
Cheers, :)

Gatorus
03-27-2001, 02:34 AM
Lucky is right, Massaghets may have had some relations to Turkic people, but Sogdians and Baktrians were indo-european nations. They were in constant conflicts with Iran, later at around 4-5th century being supported by Turkic kaghanat they conquested over Iran.

Turkic people came mainly in 4-5th century first great movement and lastly in 8-9th century - karakhanids, using ogщz language, which layed the basis for modern Uzbek nation as well as Uzbek language. Baktrians, Sogdians were absorbed to Turkic nations, to this mixture one should add strong influence of Arabs 7-8th century bringing darkish blend and Mongols making people look little bit asian.

So today`s Uzbeks bear mainly features of the very sogdians, baktrians, massagetsand Turks, but mostly features of middle east people and mongols.

So SJ, good job with graphics, but biased information.

P.S. are u presenting yourself as a historian, indoctrinating new history of Uzbekistan? -;)

freeman
03-27-2001, 04:34 AM
zur ish qipti bu bola. tabriklayman. info tugrimi notugrimi tortiship utirmaylik. judayam zur yunalish. bunaqa narsala kup busin de. bekorci tortishmaladan yahshi de bu.
hullas davomi kesin.
qaralaring XORAZM ni ahamiyatini. judayam gururli bup kettim. katta rol uynarkan de XORAZM. gap yuq e sanjar. sizga butun XORAZMliklar nomidan kottakon rahmat. uzi tarihimizni yahshilap urganishimiz kerey. XORAZM-BUHORO-FARGONA kip utirmasdan. hammasi ham buyuk bulgan. lekin xorazmni roli katta ekanini yana bir marta kurib quvondim. silar ham urganiyla tarihni. tavsiyam.
agar biz qudratli davlat buladigan busak tarihdan boshlilu. sanjar gap yu sizga. go on...

orzu
03-27-2001, 09:39 AM
Salom

"OLTINCHI BOSQICH:
Turon Birinchi Uyg'onish davrida: Somoniylar, Qorahoniylar, Xorazmshohlar, Saljuqiylar davlatlari;"

Boshqalari tug'rikuya, lekin Somoniylar tarixda bir ovozdan birinchi tojik davlati deyiladi (poytaxt Buxoro). Hatto Tojikiston milliy valyutasi somoni mana shu buyuk Somoniylar nomi bilan atalgan.

Wa Allahu a'lam bis-sawaab (Yana tug'risini Alloh biladi)

Salomat bo'linglar

Gatorus
03-27-2001, 10:22 AM
whops, pls read karakhanids were karluks, not ogщz,

and,

about Samanids, AFAIK they were put on the power by Arab khalifat to rule over east Iran(khorosan) and Central Asia and in this period percian literature flourished; but if it was first tajik state is disputable, because you can nowhere read that state of tajiks, but samanids.

I think Tajikistan needs some ideology and proud to present for its people, that is the reason of making samanids tajik, or the same with Amir Temur, being actually turkic ruler, never calling himself Uzbek; though both tajik and Uzbek can claim samanids or temurids to belong them, since they share common ethnogenesis.