ATTENTION: All the Umidies!

[sanjar]

Hello everybody!

I am posting this message regarding the Thesis Allowance.



Just read the following:

1. Message from Victoria Moores (BC Manchester):

From: Victoria.Moores@britishcouncil.org
To: (long list of Umidies' e.mails)
Subject: Thesis Allowance Payment
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:52:11 -0000

Dear All,

I am writing with reference to the payment of the Thesis Allowance. As you are probably aware, [U]you are entitled to receive a contribution towards the cost of producing your thesis/dissertation. This is called the Thesis Allowance...

In order to request payment, you should complete the attached proforma (as with the book allowance), listing all anticipated expenditure and have this signed by your supervisor. You should then fax the form to Alyor Khassanov, BC Tashkent. Alyor will refer the request to UMID ...maximum amount that can be reimbursed is 244 (pounds)...

Best of luck,
Victoria.

2. I (and the majority of final year graduates) sent the proforma to "UMID" (via Alyor, BC Tashkent).

3. Alyor, BC Tashkent, replied:

From: Alyor.Khassanov@britishcouncil.uz
To: Sanjar O. Bek (sanjaro@hotmail.com)
Subject: Your request for Thesis Allowance
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:15:02 +0500

Dear Sanjar,

...
I am writing you regarding the Thesis Allowance request. I have passed it to Umid administration for consideration, but after some time they informed me that they would not transfer the money for Thesis Allowance. The reason for that is economising the money. For further information you can write the messages to Umid Foundation. The addresses are: abdanvar@hotmail.com or umidfund@bcc.com.uz

I am sorry to write you this disappointed news...

Best wishes,
Alyor Khassanov
Education Officer
The British Council, Tashkent

4. I considered the rejection as a breach of contract (Contract on scholarship), which clearly states that the fund is obligated to provide any financial support (for academic works).

I wrote a message to the fund:

From: "Sanjar O. Bek"
Sender: 024342@netra.tees.ac.uk
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:07:30 +0000
To: abdanvar@hotmail.com
Subject: Thesis Allowance

Dear Anvar,

I am writing you regarding the Thesis Allowance request.

I was informed that the above request had been rejected.

May I know the reason(s) for the rejection please? [Although I knew what "Umid" said to Alyor]- SJ

Best of regards,
Sanjar O. Bek
University of Teesside, UK

5. No reply!

6. I sent the second message to the fund:

From: "Sanjar O. Bek"
Sender: t8024342@netra.tees.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:55:00 +0000
To: abdanvar@hotmail.com
Subject: Thesis Allowance (2)

Dear Anvar,

I have not recieved any reply to the previous message concerning the Thesis Allowance.

The contract of 'Scholarship' clearly states that Umid is obligated to provide any financial support for academic works. But... my request for Thesis Allowance had
been rejected.

May I ask you to clarify the reasons for the rejection of the Thesis Allowance.

Best of regards,
Sanjar O. Bek
University of Teesside, UK

7. No reply! (I donno why)

8. Afterall, I had to take adequate measures. I sent a message to Victoria, BC Manchester:

From: "Sanjar O. Bek"
Sender: t8024342@netra.tees.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:34:55 +0100
To: Victoria.Moores@britishcouncil.org
Subject: RE: Thesis Allowance

Dear Victoria,

I am writing you regarding the Thesis Allowance.
...
My request for the Thesis Allowance has been rejected by "UMID".
...
Therefore, Victoria, may I ask you to 'push' on the fund and demand to restore the breach of contract.
...
I hope you will do your best to restore the balance.

Truly yours,
Sanjar.

9. Victoria replied:

From: Victoria.Moores@britishcouncil.org
Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:47:18 +0100 (BST)

Dear Sanjar,

Thanks for your email. I am aware that UMID have decided against the payment of the Thesis Allowance this year.
...
The British Council in the UK does not deal direct with UMID - all correspondence goes via Alyor Khassanov, BC Tashkent. We spoke to Alyor last week and asked him to speak again to UMID to ask them to reconsider. Alyor is on holiday this week, but I have forwarded your email to him and have asked him to look into this on his return next week.
...
...I will hopefully be able to confirm this next week.
...

Best wishes,
Victoria.

10. So, another week to wait...
But the deadlines for Dissertations/Projects are getting close day-by-day. E.g. Mine is in mid-April.

11. Please, Fight for your Rights!

Best of luck, guys!
Sanjar O. Bek a.k.a. SJ 8)
University of Teesside
BA (Hons) Law major

[qwerty]

Sanjar, hope you're graduating this year. We know how this fights end.

[Vatanparvar_Anti_Umid]

Ablahlaaaaaaaar!!!!!!!

Bolalar agar shunga ham tinch tursak u holda Umid boshimizga chiqib oladi. Keyin 5 yil emas 15 yil ishlaysan deb turib oiladi!
U bu kimda Kontrakti yonida bulsa, iltimos uqib kursin yahshilab. Is it stated that yesli odna storona narushit odin iz punktov ( v dannom sluchaye refusing to pay allowances) to drrugaya storona imeyyet pravo anulirovat kontrakt? Yesli da, nado predupridit Umid chto mi budem predprinyat takuy meru v sluchaye otkaza to pay. Qaytam uzimizga yahshi buladi keyin 5 yil ishlab utrimaymiz.

Tak i tak uqishimizning yarmidan kupini uqib buldik. Faqat imtihonlar va Dissertation qoldi. Nima bankdan loan olib uqishni davom ettiraveramiz. Keyin esa 2 yil UKda ishlab repay qilamiz, inshollo. Nima dedingiz? Man uncha Law ni tushunmayman, shuning uchun Law ni uqiyotgan bolalardan haqqimizni aniqlab berishda yordam berishlarini iltimos qilgan bular edim.Iltimos bolalar, bunga befarq bulmanglar. Kitoblarni pulini ham qaytarib olishga urinishdi. Indamadik. mana edni bunga yopishishdi.

Kim shu qarorni qabul qilgan bulsa uzini 1000000 barabar teshib chiqsin. Amiin.

Jdu vashih otklikov.


P.S. Yana bizga vatanparvarligu, Uzbekistonning kelajagini uqtirishadi. Oldin uzlarini uddalasinlar. Uzlarini birinchi manaviyatu marifatdan test oldirish kerey. Qattan Uzbekistonning kelajagi buyuk bulsin, teppada mana shunaqa odamlar utirgan bir paytda. Uzbekistonning hukumatini tarafini oladiganlarga mana yana bir bor saboq buldi. Qani endi nima deysila? Baliq boshidan sasiydi.

[umid-aka]

Da chto vi bratani tak nervnichayete? Nam v US voobshe vzyali i sokratili stependiyu po sredi kontrakta. V moyom sluchaye ona daje ne pokrivayet living expensese, hotya i GPA u menya ochen' visokiy, i uchus' v horoshem univere.

Sanjar, a ti lawer - da? Tak yest' li ih (umidovskaya) ekonomiya - breach of contract? Yest' li v contract 1999 takiye provisions, po kotorim oni mogut vot etim zanimatsya?

[:)]

LOL i chto vy sobirayetes' delat'?:)
Sue "umid"?:)

[:)) eto bratik :)]

nuka rebyata pitaytes, ni figa u vas nichego ne poluchitsa, vot nam stepku nedavno opyat cut sdelali, neznayu skolko %, yeshe ne poluchili, ne govorya uje chto mi poluchayem nije 20% chem doljni.
vot takiyi dela, nu vi pitaytes, mojet quyosh garbdan chiqib qolar........
Hamza toje pitalsa, za eto i ego toshboron sdelali. :)

[Pakhtakor]

To vatanparvar: dumayesh mojno legko annulirovat contract kotorogo ti podpisal s prezidentskim fondom? Ne sovetuyu, gosudarstvo naydyot 1000 prichin chto be tebya nakazat za rebellion. U nas netu nikakih sudebnih ili advokatskih kontor kotoriye nezavisimi ot gosudarstvo.
Hech kim bizani tomonimizni olmaydi, undan kora tinchgina oqishni bitirib tanish bilish qilib ishga joylashib hayotni davom ettirgan maqul. Umiddagilar hammaga ornak bolsin deb qattiq jazolashi mumkin; misol uchun osha oqishga ketgan barcha pullar plus 60% interestni tolatishlari mumkin. Agar biza England yoki USA da mana shunday muammolarga duch kelganimizda edi boshqa gap bolardi.

[dobrojelatel]

hi there!Guys, I wonder when you will learn to fight for yourself without staying neutral to your problems.Your life is at stake, and the life continues and you grow older meanwhile you prefer to take everything which is given to you (i.e.by Umid) .
I believe that many of you are clever enough to earn money and prove to be a good Son of the nation(whatever it may be) without the big brother-Umid. If you have to pay off the debt - be strong enough to do that rather staying as 'slaves' all your life and talk about missed opportunities later when you are old and disabled.
If you want 1)your brains be drained out while working for the bureacracy after returning, 2)your generation lead poor life-style, 3)your 'Self' be always be neglected for the sake of unknown and despotic 'Us', 4)your chances (which i believe you all have due to your talents and momentum) be missed, 5)your dreams unacheived and more importantly feel unfree and enslaved - then you should all go along with what is thrown to you and commanded by Umid!!!!
You should realise that you never achieve things untill you try; how do you know what the result would be if you have not tried (re:fight fopr your rights).
And remember the worst is to be a Slave in this world, we only belong to God(Allah) and not to anybody or anything else.
And the world is not going around Uzb-n or Umid or etc., your remain a 'good'Uzbek, Tajik, Russian or smb else irrespectably of your location, and you will do more for your nation outside the cell than inside it.
Thus, take your life in your hands and don't miss your chances - grasp them, i.e. carpe diem.

best luck

P.S. sorry guys, i didn't want to sound patronising, but i felt i needed to tell you that you should look at your problems slightly distancing from the problem itslef and thinking what you really want from your life, rather than what life is meant to be for me.

Saying all these, i should mention some guys have realised that. I mean there are already smart fellas realising their dreams and ambitions which will make a lot difference for them and others, meaning Ruslan for example. We all have sth to explore in us, and i am not willing to give up this great sth of mine - and i hope you won't as well...

[Samarqand]

Daa, 'Umid' ham 40ga chidagandan keyin 41ga ham chidash kerak edi. Shunday katta 'ves' li fond uchun bu nima.

[afandiel]

Salom,

It is time for US to stand up against such an unaccepatable attitude from the FUND.

I know, we cannot possibly achieve any positive solution by mere criticism in the DB. Instead we should think of practical ways. We should at least try to oppose this "bezpredel".

The results of our actions would be:
1. either they except their breach and cover our academic expenses or 2. at least they will know that we are not a herd of "SHEEP" and can speak for ourselves. So, that next time they will think twice before infringing our rights.

what can we do?

1. I think Sanjar should wait a little until Victoria responds. If she manages to get the money then it is good for SJ. But it will mean that each time we will have to write to Victoria to get our money (I don't think it is an adequate solution).

2. if she fails to get the money under the agreement, then we need to look at other ways of protecting our rights.

3.The best and the most difficult way in my opinion is to take the case before Courts. I know that you all think (including myself) that the Courts will be very biased and reluctant to challange governmental authorities. But I think it is worth trying and will not cost too much if we agree to share legal expenses among ourselves.

4. To support our case we need some publicity, I am sure Ruslan (as He suffered himself) and other Human right orgs will help us with that by publishing articles in their sites.

5. it would be ideal to get ourselves published in official papers, although highly unlikely.

6. further, we can plead to other authorities like Ombudsman, Presedential apparatus whatever.

7. Logical question, why bother doing all these for only 244 pounds?

Answer Because,

A. It will show that we have a will and strength to stand for ourselves and will prove useful in long term, will unite us.

B. Will be useful to other umidies after us, if you multiply 244 by number of umidies studyng abroad, it will make a lot of MONEY after all. We are demanding only what belongs to us by right nothing more than that.

think about t

[Nodir]

Horosho skazano Eldor,
Hotya ne stoit bit do takoy stepeni pilkim.
Kak pravilno ukazal Sanjar, eto narusheniye kontrakta. Umid, po kontraktu doljen viplatit dannuyu summu vsem third-years. No, delo v tom, chto on sam togo ne znaet, chto oni narushayut kontrakt. Nashim pervim deystviem doljno bit - dat im znat chto oni vse-taki kontrakt narushayut. kak sdelat, napisat odno bolshoye pismo i podpisat familiyami teh, kto podderjit ideyu.

Nodir

[Fafotik]

Ne znayu daje, rebyata. Po moyemu, eto nije nashego dostoinstva. Ne nujno iz za kakih-to 224 poundov pozorit'sya. V drugih 'massage'ah, mi' mnogo govorim o chinovnikah, kotori'ye dumyut bo'she o svoem kormane, nejeli o narode, i uspol'zuyut lyuboy moment, chtobi' zasunut' ruku v kaznu. Mi' sami ne luchshe, okazi'vayetsya.
..hm, zavtra v stat'yah poyavitsya:"Nedejda strani' podaet na svoy Fond v sud iz za 244 poundov". Sti'dno.. Vseravno, vryadli eti 244 poundov poydut po naznacheniyu.
Yours sencerely.
Think about it.

[BE]

TO Fafotik:

It is not about money and it is not about shame. I think you did not get the idea. It is about "Chelovek i Zakon". Gosh, it is amazing how even law abides to "o'zbekchilik". Imagine if ex. companies in the US start paying high dividends because it is a shame for a multibillion company to pay $0.02 per share. Unchalik his tuygularga berilmaslik kerak, do'stim.

[Samarqand]

I agree with Nodir on this piont:
Nashim pervim deystviem doljno bit - dat im znat chto oni vse-taki kontrakt narushayut. kak sdelat, napisat odno bolshoye pismo i podpisat familiyami teh, kto podderjit ideyu.

At least it shows sth that we can do.

[Fafotik]

OK, guys, I've told u what I think. And I still think so. What i wanted u to do is just re-evaluate ur thoughts before making any decision.
Ya ne hochu sporit' po etomu povodu. Prosto, kogda vsya strana v takom polojenii, ne luchshe li bi'lo bi' skoncentrirovat'sya na bolee vajni'h delah. Ya je ponimayu zachem eto. Nekotori'ye rebyata ochen' obijeni' na Ziyaeva, i na fond s ego politikoy. Vot i hotyat nasolit' fondu i pokazat', chto umidovtsi ne mal'chiki s ulitsi'.
No kak na eto posmotryat prosti'ye lyudi? Oni ne poymut nas. Sami podumayte, mi' budem borotsya za vi'ploneniye kontarakta, t.e. chtobi' fond vi'platil plojenni'e nam den'gi. Pomoemu, ne sami'y luchshiy motiv. Ya ne dumayu, chto porst'ie lyudi poymut nashi vi'sokiye principi'. I yesli uj mi' hotim pokazat', chto mi', izvinite, ne stado baranov,to nujno eto dokazi'vat' na bolee sush'estvenni'h delah. Yesli uj tak poshlo, to davayte podadim v sud na nashe pravitel'stvo, za to chto ono antikonstitucionno zapresh'ayet svobodu slova ;)
Just keep it up.
Best regards.

[student]

xexe

Studentlani qolidan nimayam keladi

gap boru muziku zakzivaet tot kto plotit dedimi ruschasiga
mayli omad

Ozilani ehtiyot qilila Umid vfonfi bu messageni oqib tuzini ep tuzlig'iga tupirdi dep qabul qimasain taqgin
a atak hamma bilsa kerak
qoliladan hech narsa kemsligini
:))

[Samarqand]

Tihiy chas

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