Talablariga Binoan !!!

[elDoraDo]

1. talabalarning hayoti nima bo'ladi
2. maktab o'quvchilarining hayoti nima bo'ladi
3. ishsizlarning hayoti nima bo'ladi

davom ettirish niyat b'lsa, join qilaverila. hozircha tushuntiraman:
1. habaringiz bo'lsa kerak, O'zb. R. da yangi qonun qabul qilindi, va unga binoan, talabalar yangicha turda konrtakt asosida tahsil oaldigan bo'lishdi. Yuridik sohadagi ta'lim 355/365 ming. oldingisdan eng katta farqi - bu stipendiyasiz shartnoma narhining yo'qlgi. ya'ni endi hamma stipendiya olib o'qishi lozim. ammo bir narsaga e'tiborni qaratish lozim: u ham bo'lsa, UMUMAN olganda kontrakt pulining 40%i ayni stipendiyaga ajratilishi lozim, shunday ham bo'lardi, ammo (!!!)
ammo yangi qonunga binoan, 5 chilar 10 ga yaqin oladi (oldingidan 3000 mingga ortiq) 4 chilar o'z holicha (narhlar 40%ga oshishiga qaramasdan), ammo 3 chilar - ^_^ 4500 ( bu oldingisidan 1000 so'mga kam ) buni o'zingiz ham hisoblab chiqishingiz mumkin - 4500 - 355/365 mingning qancha foizini tashkil etadi??? to'g'ri bu qaysidur ma'noda bollarni bilimga, yahshi o'qishga chorlar, ammo (!!!) domlalar bunga yo'l qo'ymasa nima qilish kerak?
ba'zi bir o'quv yurtlarida zachetkalar o'tgan yilda buyon Studentning qo'liga berilmaydi (domlalar DEKANATGA kelib baho qo'yadi, ular esa tayyor rezultat bilan ish bitirishadi, olgan oldi, olmagan esa ochisleniyaga tushgach bundan habardor bo'ladi - o'zimdan misol .
eng qizig'i bir vaqtning o'zida ZAV.kafedralarning o'zi talabalar bilan bo'lgan suhbatda quyidagi ma'lumotni tan olishdan tonmaydi zachetka - bu talaba o'z reytingini qayd qilib borishi uchun berilgan hujjat, unga ham pul to'langan, va huquqiy jihatdan uni hohlagan vaqtingizda olib ketishingiz mumkin. domlalarning qayd etishiga esa shunday ham VEDOMOSTlar etarli : ular 3 ta
1. kafedrada
2. dekanatda
3. rektoratda

ammo (!!!) domlalarning balni qayd etishi uchun yana bitta hujjat topildi, ammo talabada esa hemir ham yo'q!!!
mana sizga qanday qilib o'zbekistonlik talaba qanday qilib "YuTUQQA" erishishi mumkinligi haqidagi ma'lumot.

eeeee, bo'ldi siqilib ketdim, qolgan muammolarga bo'lgan tushuntirishni keyin yozaman. hozircha bittasini hal qilishga kirishsak. boshladik o'ylashni " ??? " ...

[VARATAR]

huyovaku....
lekin talaba kreditlari zor narsa bopti, qatdan topsin ortahol uzbek oilasi 300mingdan ortiq pulni? yana bir emas bir nechta bolasi universitetda tahsil olsa? osha kreditlarni muddati qancha? foiz miqdori qancha? long termmi? zalog qoyish keremi?
holagan odam olishi mumkinmi yoki restrictionlar bormi? muddatidan oldin tolansa imtiyozlar bormi? kredit naqd beriladimi? yoki universitetni accountiga otqaziladimi? bir marta olinadiganmi? yoki kop marta olsa boladimi? har yili olinadimi? yoki bitta umumiy qilib olinadimi (4 yil uchun)?
choto kop savol soravordim, bilganlar reply qisin
rahmat

[Nodira]

elDoraDo (Sep 15, 2001 12:53):
1. talabalarning hayoti nima bo'ladi
2. maktab o'quvchilarining hayoti nima bo'ladi
3. ishsizlarning hayoti nima bo'ladi

davom ettirish niyat b'lsa, join qilaverila. hozircha tushuntiraman:
1. habaringiz bo'lsa kerak, O'zb. R. da yangi qonun qabul qilindi, va unga binoan, talabalar yangicha turda konrtakt asosida tahsil oaldigan bo'lishdi. Yuridik sohadagi ta'lim 355/365 ming. oldingisdan eng katta farqi - bu stipendiyasiz shartnoma narhining yo'qlgi. ya'ni endi hamma stipendiya olib o'qishi lozim. ammo bir narsaga e'tiborni qaratish lozim: u ham bo'lsa, UMUMAN olganda kontrakt pulining 40%i ayni stipendiyaga ajratilishi lozim, shunday ham bo'lardi, ammo (!!!)
ammo yangi qonunga binoan, 5 chilar 10 ga yaqin oladi (oldingidan 3000 mingga ortiq) 4 chilar o'z holicha (narhlar 40%ga oshishiga qaramasdan), ammo 3 chilar - ^_^ 4500 ( bu oldingisidan 1000 so'mga kam ) buni o'zingiz ham hisoblab chiqishingiz mumkin - 4500 - 355/365 mingning qancha foizini tashkil etadi??? to'g'ri bu qaysidur ma'noda bollarni bilimga, yahshi o'qishga chorlar, ammo (!!!) domlalar bunga yo'l qo'ymasa nima qilish kerak?
ba'zi bir o'quv yurtlarida zachetkalar o'tgan yilda buyon Studentning qo'liga berilmaydi (domlalar DEKANATGA kelib baho qo'yadi, ular esa tayyor rezultat bilan ish bitirishadi, olgan oldi, olmagan esa ochisleniyaga tushgach bundan habardor bo'ladi - o'zimdan misol .
eng qizig'i bir vaqtning o'zida ZAV.kafedralarning o'zi talabalar bilan bo'lgan suhbatda quyidagi ma'lumotni tan olishdan tonmaydi zachetka - bu talaba o'z reytingini qayd qilib borishi uchun berilgan hujjat, unga ham pul to'langan, va huquqiy jihatdan uni hohlagan vaqtingizda olib ketishingiz mumkin. domlalarning qayd etishiga esa shunday ham VEDOMOSTlar etarli : ular 3 ta
1. kafedrada
2. dekanatda
3. rektoratda

ammo (!!!) domlalarning balni qayd etishi uchun yana bitta hujjat topildi, ammo talabada esa hemir ham yo'q!!!
mana sizga qanday qilib o'zbekistonlik talaba qanday qilib "YuTUQQA" erishishi mumkinligi haqidagi ma'lumot.

eeeee, bo'ldi siqilib ketdim, qolgan muammolarga bo'lgan tushuntirishni keyin yozaman. hozircha bittasini hal qilishga kirishsak. boshladik o'ylashni " ??? " ...

Buni etganlariz hammasi tori.Lekin okituvchilada ham ayb yok.Hamma gap rektoratda yoki yana dekanatdami.Chunki okituvchila hamkoplari bizani Univerda norozi, yana kogozvozlila oylab chikishdi deyishadi.Ozi nima maksad edi bundan? Porahorlikni yokotishmi?Studentla okituvchilaga pul berish yolini oldini olishmi?Agar shu bosa , bu tori yolamas.

[ACCELS(UNDERGRAD)]

Bolla, uzr discussionilarga aralashganim uchun, manda bir fikr bor. Hammangiz american, british va german systems of education bilan tanishsiz. Ularda o'qituvchilar pora torisida oylashmaydi ham, sababi oyligi yetarli, which is main factor that promotes dedication. We cannot make any changes without encouraging The Layer of education(especially teachers) they will look at today's problems in branch of education as if secondary in future too. We all realize all the problems we have today but don't have enough financial, social and and other important resourses. That's why our government should create some opprotunities for teachers to earn additional finance which also should encourage our Education System to be more applicable to our Economy.This will surely reward any costs in near future.My point is we should organize Uniform National Educational Research Association in near future, this should vary from other organizations in this field by highly supportiveness of important researches in the field. As to the financing it should go from the resourses gathered through contractual incomes to every University or Institute. The way of phasing in of this project must be done by organizing samples in institutes well provided with finance and this should be completely SEPARATE from other research groups which already exist.The promotion would be that students and teachers will look at this with more enthusiasm because of being rewarded.
Another main problem in my opinion ARE TEXTBOOKS, they are not valid and update, as i discovered Amer. textbooks are mostly self- study guides why so? because they are successfully organized, detailed and well-oriented.For example if i read in an Advertising textbook about the performances of a particular company, its financial position and how it operates in the market it gives me bright picture of what I've read.The organization I mentioned above should fund all successful research works and textbooks evaluated by the Evaluation Committee of UNRA.
So i think we should enrich our textbooks via info about the elements of our developing economy their current problems what could be done comparing to the experiences of developed countries, that would be more compatible rather than just bringing examples from developed countries 'cause we don't have the high tech as of those countries. so I challenge you Umidees of all majors to chip in with your efforts! and know I've got already involved in what I said to you! First thing you need to do now is gathering info. about particular business organizations IN DETAILwhile during your stay in Us or GB orGermany whatever . I'm gona do it through the Internship what are your ideas? if we don't do this who else has a better chance to do it whenever Umidees, you're our Umid!!!
Thank you.

Respond me please, with questions at my Email yunusov@bethanylb.edu
Uzbekistanly yours, Qobiljon!

[ACCELS(UNDERGRAD)]

Bolla, uzr discussionilarga aralashganim uchun, manda bir fikr bor. Hammangiz american, british va german systems of education bilan tanishsiz. Ularda o'qituvchilar pora torisida oylashmaydi ham, sababi oyligi yetarli, which is main factor that promotes dedication. We cannot make any changes without encouraging The Layer of education(especially teachers) they will look at today's problems in branch of education as if secondary in future too. We all realize all the problems we have today but don't have enough financial, social and and other important resourses. That's why our government should create some opprotunities for teachers to earn additional finance which also should encourage our Education System to be more applicable to our Economy.This will surely reward any costs in near future.My point is we should organize Uniform National Educational Research Association in near future, this should vary from other organizations in this field by highly supportiveness of important researches in the field. As to the financing it should go from the resourses gathered through contractual incomes to every University or Institute. The way of phasing in of this project must be done by organizing samples in institutes well provided with finance and this should be completely SEPARATE from other research groups which already exist.The promotion would be that students and teachers will look at this with more enthusiasm because of being rewarded.
Another main problem in my opinion ARE TEXTBOOKS, they are not valid and update, as i discovered Amer. textbooks are mostly self- study guides why so? because they are successfully organized, detailed and well-oriented.For example if i read in an Advertising textbook about the performances of a particular company, its financial position and how it operates in the market it gives me bright picture of what I've read.The organization I mentioned above should fund all successful research works and textbooks evaluated by the Evaluation Committee of UNRA.
So i think we should enrich our textbooks via info about the elements of our developing economy their current problems what could be done comparing to the experiences of developed countries, that would be more compatible rather than just bringing examples from developed countries 'cause we don't have the high tech as of those countries. so I challenge you Umidees of all majors to chip in with your efforts! and know I've got already involved in what I said to you! First thing you need to do now is gathering info. about particular business organizations IN DETAILwhile during your stay in Us or GB orGermany whatever . I'm gona do it through the Internship what are your ideas? if we don't do this who else has a better chance to do it whenever Umidees, you're our Umid!!!
Thank you.

Respond me please, with questions at my Email yunusov@bethanylb.edu
Uzbekistanly yours, Qobiljon!

[Baytt]

Juda yahshi ish boshlabsilar,

ACCELSni gapiga koshilaman, lekin bu ancha vakt talab kiladi. Albatta bunday katta problemani tezda o'zgartirib bo'lmaydi. Menimcha o'kituvchilarni ahvolini yahshilash bilan hamma narsa o'zgarib kolmaydi, lekin boshlanishiga yahshi bo'lardi. Institutda meni zav. kafedra oldiga chakirib "backpack"im to'grisida ancha tanbeh berib, keyinchalik zachotkaga qo'l koymasdan 2 oy kiynalganman. Nima emish sumkani qo'lda ko'tarish kerak ekan, elkaga osish mumkin emas ekan. Keyinchalik bilsam gap pulda emas, karindoshim uni hafa kilib koygan ekan. Shu maksadda o'ch olgani bo'libdi. Bu bilan aytmoqchimanki, o'kituvchilarni eskicha oylashlari yokolmaguncha anik bir o'zgartirish kiritish kiyin.
Chet eldagi o'kituvchilar etarli oylik oladi degan gapga to'la koshilmayman. Universitetda professor bo'lsa yahshi oladi, lekin high schooldachi. High school o'kituvchilari o'rtacha $24,000 (USda) yiliga oladi. Men bitta electrikni bilaman, o'tgan yili $80,000 dan ko'p topdi. Gap fakat pulda emas, tushunchada. Aldash, pora olishni ko'pchilik pastkashlik deb biladi, bizda esa yahshi lavozim deb tushiniladi. Shundan kelib chikib meni fikrim, hozir maktabda 1 chi sinfni boshlagan "bo'lajak o'kituvchilar"dan to'la o'zgarishni kutsa bo'ladi. Harakatni hozirdan boshlash kerak.

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omad

D :-) D
elDoraDo

[VARATAR]

topa toqri, radio Sezam rulezzz :)

[elDoraDo]

VARATAR (Oct 04, 2001 15:30):
topa toqri, radio Sezam rulezzz :)


uahahaha...
nu bro... tog'ora - baribir tog'oraligicha qolaverar ekan
bu yahshi
p.s. to'g'risini etgin, tushunmadingku...

radio evropa plus zo'r... a kstati bizada evropa plus veshat qivotti... ana u radio!!!

[VARATAR]

hehe,
atigi bir marta bizani mahallani visit qip kegin, undan zorlarini organib kelasan....
Grande, Sezam, yana qaysilari bor edi?
aaaa, Uzbegim Taronasi rulezzzzzzz :)

[elDoraDo]

hehe. varata (R), man sani mahallenda o'sganman, yo'q deganda, kunimmi yarmi o'shatda o'tgan... o'zin guess qil, bir san bilan ugaday melodiyu o'yni-lu...

p.s. Yoshlar kanali RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[kabul]

eldorado ohirgi paytda IMLO hato qiladigan bo'lib qolibsanmi yoki eskidan shunday eding shekili a?! ???

P.S. Donolar so'ylaydi, eldorado esa tinglaydi ... :D

[elDoraDo]

no comments...

faqat tog'ora ...

[Asadiy]

ElDorado,

siz Yoshlar kanalidamisiz?

Ili qaysi radiokanalda faoliyat?

[angliz.com]

oRIAT dONO degan radio bor... o'shanda...

eeee, radioyam itarvordi...
surdim

[educator]

Hi guys !!!
It is nice to hear that our youth got the main point. EDUCATION SYSTEM !!!
Go ahead !!!

[romashka]

romashka
man o'zim oqituvchiman,kasbim yoqadi (bolla uncha tupoy bo'lmasa) boshidan ohirigacha o'zi o'qitsa vashe doda! 1-dan oylikni ko'tarish k-k, ato prikol oylikka itdek(jonini fido qilib) ishlash ne ochen', 2-dan o'qituvchilar fikrini o'zgartirish shart - s nimi rabotat' prosto ne vinosimo', lekin oylik yahshi bolganda bu narsaga ko'z yumsa bo'lardi, i yana ozgina sharoit va hammasi bo'lardi OK!

[Gultojihoroz]

haha hammelaga :P

[YaHoooooooooo]

lekin talaba kreditlari zor narsa bopti


Ya tak ne dumayu, eto politika , qara kredit beriladi dib qonun chiqandan keyin , kontrakt tuloviga stipendiya qushiladigan buldi , sam posudi v proshlom godu ya plotil 342,700 so stipendiyey , a nekotoriye platili bez stipendii konechno men`she, a bu yil man (xamma) tuladim 475,500 , ichida stipendiyasi bilan!! Kimdir buni ko`tarolidi kimdir esa yuq, Kredit masalasiga kesek , foiz stavkalari yuqori i konechno je zalog i garantiya! Vot sam i rassujday !!!

[Free]

haha "Uzbeki v Turkmenii Radyo" Rulezzzzz :)