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муха
04-29-2001, 10:55 AM
В Ташкенте с официальным визитом побывал исполняющий обязанности советника Государственного секретаря США по новым независимым государствам Джон Байерли
Как утверждают некоторые эксперты, этот визит не случайно был спланирован накануне встречи в Москве узбекского президента Ислама Каримова с его российским коллегой Владимиром Путиным, намеченной на 3-5 мая. Наблюдатели в узбекской столице обратили внимание, что как только намечается сближение узбекско-российских позиций по всему спектру двустороннего сотрудничества или планируется важная встреча в верхах, сразу же завидную активность начинает проявлять американский посол в Узбекистане или же в Ташкент прибывают высокопоставленные чиновники американской администрации. Так, весной прошлого года перед официальным визитом Владимира Путина в Узбекистан в Ташкент один за другим прибыли директоры ФБР и ЦРУ, чиновники Министерства обороны США и даже прежний Госсекретарь Мадлен Олбрайт.

муха
04-29-2001, 10:56 AM
Что вы на это скажете, дорогие мои?

qwerty
04-29-2001, 08:48 PM
Looks like the Cold War is not over yet. :(

Maybe Uzbekistan can benefit in this grand game "US vs. Russia" the way many developing countries did during the Soviet times. However, another outcome is also possible. I would hate to see another Afghanistan in the region.

xxx
05-02-2001, 02:21 AM
na eto mi mozhem skazat chto US nikogda ne otlichalsya opredlenno napravlennoy politikoy vo vsem mire - toka pitalsya ispolzovat to chto est v svoih interesah, i esli tam deystvitelno chto-to interesno - to pochemu bi net?! - vsegda ispolzuetsa

ne dumayu chto uzb mozhet ispolzovat eto - dlya uzb podderzhka rossii vazhnee: vsegda (bila) i est opredellennost, geograficheski blizhe, potenciali pobolshe, da i rinok ekonomicheskiy na lico

hotya v konce koncov eto politika i diplomatiya,

ne znayu naskolko vesom vklad amerikanskoy storoni v uzb razvitie, v to vremya kak esli pomnit istoriyu (dumayu ee nuzhno pomnit vsegda) i smotret pravde v glaza - rossiya i vse chto bilo v proshlom veke mnogoe dalo etomu regionu (uzbekistanu v chastnosti)

bubu
05-02-2001, 02:47 AM
...dala menshe chem otnyala.

ShumBOLA
05-02-2001, 02:27 PM
Mda, Bubu prav. Rossiya otnyala bolshe chem dala.

Kak staraya uzbekskaya poslovitsa glasit: Og'zi kuygan, qatig'ni puflab ichadi. Nadeyemsya chto sdelanniye oshibki v proshlom butut urokom dlya nashego Gosudarstva y chto ona budet bolee ostorojney v sfere sotrudnichestva s USA ili Rossiyey.
Politika delo gryaznoye ;) Motiv za kajdim shagom v politike konechno nam izvestno eto politicheskiy, socialniy, finansoviy tak dalee interesi gosudarstv.
Uzbekistan konechno yest chtoto, chto interisuyet obeih, USA i Rossiyu eto i yest edinstvenniy avantaj Uzbekistana.

Lanna, pust President Islom aka reshayet.
ShumBOLA :oo
OMAD!!!

xxx
05-02-2001, 04:18 PM
nikto nikogda ne znaet kak bi skladivalas bi situaciya v sredney azii esli bi tam okazalsya vmesto rossi kto nibud drugoy, no to chto angliya dala indii i pakistanu - navernoe ne nado perechislyat, gde seychas afganistan mi tozhe znaem, tak zhe, proshu ne zabivayt vash obrazovatelniy uroven (vozmozhno vse eshe sovetskiy) i chto on po sravneniyu s evproeyskim (ne sravnivaya s drugimi aziatskim stranami) iz sebya predstvalyaet, takzhe nadeyus vi otdaete otchet chto vi yavlyaetes ludmi vladeyushimi ne 1 ili 2 yazikami, a po krayney mere 3?! nadeyus nastanet vremya kogda ludi nachnut cenit eto i ponimat chto oni poluchili, i kak vi mozhete poluchit chto-to ne otdav v zamen chto-to?! rekomenduetsa vsegda videt pozitivnie storonii po vozmozhnosti imet ih vvidu, kogda otmechayutsa negativnie

realist
05-02-2001, 05:13 PM
salom
I think we are slightly moving from the main question.The sole responsible people for the failure of Turkestan are those guys who ruled it during the Russian invasion. Their political incompetence and stupidity cost the whole nation a centuries of slavery.Any nation would do the same if they had had the chace that Russia enjoyed at that time. This is a rule of nature and politics-survival of the fittest.
About Uzbekistan's importance in CA, it's clear that we are geopolitically at the heartland of the region,we have borders with all the states of CA and Uzbekistan's strength in terms of polulation, army, political stability and economy makes it more reliable than any other CA state. America's interest in Uzbekistan can be explained by the fact that these two nations America and Russia consider themselves historical rivals for the position of world leadership. As US naval officer and great American strategist Mahan suggested, Russia must be contained from all sides by establishing pro-American alliances aganist it.We are just a part of this grand strategy aganist Russia. When Russia falls,the importance of Uzbekistan in America's eyes falls as well, as it was in the case of Yugaslavia. That is why it's in our interests to keep Russia or portray it as powerful as it was during the Cold War and at the same time use the benefits coming from the US-Uzbek alliance to full extent.
Would love to continue but gotta go.. by the way if that's OK for you please write in english so we can have as many people as possible to read or join this discussion.