About deleted messages in Rasskaz

[D.R.E.]

I thought we agreed upon the topics... i.e. love-romance, detectives, drama etc. etc.
As Mavlono started something about love in the first test-story. We should keep moving in that direction.

Parabellum, I deleted your message because it contained science fiction, sorry bro.
Mr X, please be reasonable
Adalante, this story is not a porn reading you know. I don't know about German culture though.
da+tak, after Parabellum's message there were some misconceptions... so i had to delete urs too and please don't use nicks in a story like 'parabellum'

I think, that's it for now

Regards,
BJay a.k.a D.R.E. a.k.a. Korbobo

[hello_world]

Aytgan edim, qatga ketdi ekan messagelarning yarmi deb. :)

Ana endi hikoyaga tayyor muharrir ham topilibdi, juda hursand bo'ldim.

:)
(O'zi shundoq bo'lishini kutsa bo'lardi).

[Mr_X]

Izvinite, chto potrevojil vash shedevr iskusstva svoim ploskim yumorom, no u menya est odno zamechanie-nadeyus, hot' ego vi ne sotryote.
Mojet so mnoy i ne soglasyatsa, no eto moyo mneniye kak chitatelya novogo rasskaza.Priznayus ya ochen priyatno porajen, chto sredi moih sverstnikov est takie talanti, no...Druzya moi, a vam ne kajetsa, chto nesmotrya na vsyo vashe prosto angelskoe krasnorechie rasskaz yavlaetsa ujasno skuchnim? Proshu vas s ponimaniem otnestis' k moemu zamechaniyu. Vi chto tak i sobiraetes' na prodoljenii vsey istorii tolko vzdehat', plakat' i zaikatsa(eto ya o defecte rechi, kotoroy stradaet glavnaya geroinya Aliya, kotoraya daje ne v silah normalno proiznesti slovo 'kofe'). Mojet vsyo-taki prekratit' eti ujasno dlinnie opisaniya chuvstv geroev i pereytti k realnomu razvitiyu sobitiy...?
Eshyo raz proshu izvineniya, no etot raskaz svoyey skuchnostyu napominaet mne umirayushuyu korovu. Ya dumayu, chto vi primete vo vnimaniye visheizlojennie zamechaniya, v protivnom sluchae ya boyus chto edinstvennimi chitatelyami romana okajutsa sami je sozdateli.

[Adalante]

Sorry to read your message D.R.E., because the freedom of Art is guarranteed in the German Constitution in Article 5,passage III and it is the one of the main freedoms that one can use in his/her everyday life.

The statement, it was porn cannot be approuved, as there was no mention about detailed expressions of hetrogenic relations or kinda that, all what mentioned was the way of discribing the event and the ability of auther to tell kind of story.

I am really sorry that, some kind of Editors are deleating the messages, just because of their wishes - just for that, that they do not like any opinions than own ideas :(.

The purpose of studying abroad is to learn how to think freely, to be able to understand pluralism of opinions, so that we could develope our motherland on democratic grounds.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your studies abroad, every success in learning foreighn cultures and new ideas.

[Parabellum]

Vo vo - bilo jutko skuchno chitat kak istoriya pererastala v milnuyu operu - jutko bilo podumat chto etomu esche dlitsya godi!!!....
Hotel prisobachit smeshnoe okonchanie - ne poluchilos?....
Da esche - zachem pisat ploho na russkom kogda s takim je uspehom mojno ploho po uzbekski?
I esli s russkim problemi - nu pishite na uzbekskom - glavnoe chtobi bilo kachestvenno!
;) - chto podelat,aziat - glaza kosie

[D.R.E.]

Dear Adalante,
If you call such line of yours as:
"Ohhhh aahhhhhhhh yeahhhhh oooooooh ahhhhhhhh "
as an expression of one's free will and name it as an art of passion, just give me a break ok?

Ever read novells ? Ever seen such lines in the art of great people's works?

I'm sorry but we have a major miscommunication in here as the paragraphs provided by you I consider as a childish act of enjoying one's selfish behavior regarding your jotting down some sexual topic in a way that some uzbek girls would be offended. Therefore my friend I deleted your "expression of free will provided by article #5 in German constitution" and once more, take a look at passage 5, article 12 of that constitution you will find some nice words about "Obscene speech in a public place".

Best Regards,
D.R.E.

[ho-ho]

rebyataaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!da ved' kak i vsyakoe nastoyashchee proizvedenie iskusstva vash rasskaz pereros sam sebya.I teper' mi vse imeem vozmozhnost' chitat' shedevri kritiki i misli redaktora po povodu i bez povoda.Ya vam klyanus' nichego smeshnee v zhini ne videla.Tak chto rasskaz eto ne vazhnoe,po krayney mere ne samoe vazhnoe,glavnoe,chtobi narod ne skuchal.No voobshche-to,kogda redaktor vibrasivaet chto-to iz proizvedeniya,to blagodarnie potomki let etak cherez desyat' -pyatnadcat' imeyut vozmozhnost' prochitat' hotya bi chernoviki,u nas zhe ee ne budet.....

[Adalante]

Hi,

now I am more than sure that you are getting someone new kind of censors, as the passage 5, Article 12 doesnot exist at all.

As for your remark that some girls could get offeneded, I gotta say it's really direct discrimination on sexual basis.

If there is such dicription, which were mentioned in my subject kind of aaa))) ohhhh!!! etc. in the works of literature authors or not:

Dekameron of Botichelli, Komissar Megri of George Simenon etc. that's only a piece of iceberg, that i site, even in east you could read such stories in "1001 nights", Panchatantra etc.

So, I do really recommend you to take some cources on democracy, legal society, so that we in future could build society of free exchange of opinions,

not people, regarding girls wearing jeans as prostitutes or preffering to see girls sitting at home, wearing khijabs etc,(e.x. in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan editors like you blacken pictures of balet female dancers' legs, because they regard it as porno).

So I wish you all teh best in future and glory to our nation.

P.S.
if you are interested in german constitution please visit [URL="http://www.bundestag.de/gesetze/gg/gg_inh.htm"]http://www.bundestag.de/gesetze/gg/gg_inh.htm</a>

[Adalante]

the previous message was adressed to D.R.E.

thanks!

[D.R.E.]

A lot of people say that they created a masterpiece by drawing a direct blue line in a paper of white sheet, they call it modernism, I call it BSified justification of one's poor imagination on the basis of dull minds of an artist.
A lot of people write a line or two without any rhyme or rithm whatsoever and try to call it a masterpiece of a literature, I call it Unbalanced imagination of a try-to-be-a-genius kind of people.
A lot of people try to write their deepest thoughts of illeterate opinions on the basis of free-speech representation jotting down some ingenuous and common statements and try to name their "work" as an art, I call it standardized realization of fabricated statements.

One should never forget that noone can change the culture of a nation overnight, Uzbek culture with its rich traditions and history cannot accept the modern unsophisticated glance at a nudity and sexual topics overnight and therefore, I'm positively sure that any uzbek girl reading statements depicted in the message of Adalante would be offended personally and morally. That's why dear Adalante, do not try to act as a messenger of "Free speech and will" while acting as a messenger of a sexual disgrace.

Would you please with sugar on top, don't teach us the description of a democracy and freedom, while acting ruthlussly rude.

Best Regards,
Dr D.R.E.

[Adalante]

O.k. D.R.E.,

it's really to read your opinios, how to describe the art, modernism etc., it not only your's views, a lot of people think the way you do, unfortunately, I gotta say it directly, mostly old minded people think so(the problem of generations!) and it can be seen in countries with strong old masculinity cultures, where masculine people used to state what can be readed, what not,

especially who have some fears of sexuality, and regardly have some this kind of problems.

But, you know, the most visitors of this Board are mainly representatives of new generation, and at least here it's of fundamental importance, that participants have democratic views and there will be no censorship, till message will offend others.

Yo said:
I'm positively sure that any uzbek girl reading statements depicted in the message of Adalante would be offended personally and morally.

I gotta say the follwing, if you are female, I am really sorry that you didn't like the message(actually there was no direct word against you, it was only a story),

if you male, so for your information: from the legal point of view only concerned site can sue about that she/he was insulted, and S/he should bring some evidences for that.

And one more, your statement reflects your opinion only, not the opinions of every uzbek girl(I do not understand, why should only "uzbek girls" be stressed??).

If the culture of nation can be changed in one day or not:

everybody knows that there are different groups of population, with different levels of education, intellegent people are always open for different ideas,

there are also less educated groups, who would prefer to live under orders of others, having little interest on their rights. The main objective is it, that the overall educational level of population should be as high as possible, and people living in our beautiful country should have opportunity to learn new ideas of other countries, I would prefer the livestile of new generation in Europe, who are absolutely cosmopolitian, free of dogmas etc, which represent a new alternative against culture untolerant movings as well.

And, the last thing:

if you do not like message, why just not to ignore it???
If you do not like discos for example, you can just not go there, instead of banning discos, saying kinda: every uzbek girl will be insulted in discos, the place of drugs etc.

I am really sorry if I made you upset in any way, I am just saying my opinion, I do respect others opinion, a lot of missunderstandigs are actually result of misunderstandings.

All the best at studies!

[Adalante]

now I see a lot of misspelled words in the previous message ):):):, I do beg your pardon for that, my first foreigh lang is not english,

sorry!

[D.R.E.]

I completely agree with a lot of your points on modern views of lifestyle. But you need to acknowledge the facts that:
1. We were writing a story and before it started there was a warning that any obscene speech will be deleted
2. We decided that on our first test-story we would keep things as clean as possible.
3. We were trying to write a masterpiece not a "sexual horror/pleasure" story with your "ooohhs and aaaaahhhhs"

You mentioned something about masculinity cultures and old stereotypical views on sexuality. My friend, let me tell you one thing for sure. I'm proud to be born in a masculine society with its deep culture. And let me tell you one thing, my words did not mean to hurt, discriminate or offend any female reader. As I was expressing my own opinions in the way of expressing the ideology that stood behind my decisions. Ok, let me return to culture now. I will express only my opinion all right?
Regarding your statement:
"mostly old minded people think so(the problem of generations!) and it can be seen in countries with strong old masculinity cultures, where masculine people used to state what can be readed, what not"

You see the truth is in US modern society, almost 20% of a population consist of gays and lesbians. Personally I do not have anything against them as long as they keep their thoughts to themselves. But the thing is this trend affects the minds of youth and even in today's US politics gays play a crucial role. If say Bush or Gore would say anything against them say "bye bye" to that candidate. My point is, our masculine culture is a good thing to be proud of. And if you want to say: "Let's play porno movies on National TV... let's show our children how beautiful the sound of screaming lady in her ecstasy is... or let's put the sexuality topic on a WILD OPEN parameters in Uzbekistan... believe me you are making mistake. There are certain things which our culture prohibits. And it's for the good of citizens.

You said:
"The main objective is it, that the overall educational level of population should be as high as possible, and people living in our beautiful country should have opportunity to learn new ideas of other countries, I would prefer the livestile of new generation in Europe, who are absolutely cosmopolitian, free of dogmas etc, which represent a new alternative against culture untolerant movings as well."

I absolutely agree with you on this matter. Bravo. But, do you want to raise the level of education and culture of our people by writing such a line as:

"She asked a guy for a kofe. Then they entered her bedroom and sweet screams as oooooooh ahhhhha oooohhhhhhhh yeahhhhh baby.... aaaaaaaaahh started to echo from her bedroom"

Excuse me :) but give me a break here would you? What is it? Please open my eyes as I don't see how you are raising the level of education in anyone... You call it free speech I call it obscene speech. Are you getting my point bro?

In conclusion,
Most of our thoughts are the same I'm also proponent of modern society, but when it comes to sexuality, it is a bit challenging question and needs to be touched cautiously.

P.S. "if you male" Yes I am a male and proud to be one.

Best Regards,
Dr D.R.E.

[Adalante]

well Bro,

I think it's time to end this discussion,

just wanted to say freedom of speach and Art should be guarranteed, you r right about lesbo-homosexuals, it has really big effects on youth, I personally do not approve lesbo-homosexuals, it's everyone's decision how to live, what to be.

As for masculinity-feminity, just wamted to say that males should not decide for females and that was it.

AND my message had nothing to do with homesexual contacts,but natural hetrogenic relationship.

Best regard

Adalante(hot blooded uzbek guy!):):):):

[D.R.E.]

Kool bro,
I also didn't say that males should decide what females should do...
God I love'em :) and believe me they are much more powerful than they appear to be so :)

Peace!

D.R.E.

[Kinik]

Pust' tot kto dumaet, chto 'umirayushaya korova - skuchno' pervim brosit v menya kamen'. S nim konechno je nichego ne sluchitsya, no ya zapomnyu na vsyu jizn', chto bivayut i takie lyudi.
Umirayushaya korova - kakaya tragediya! skol'ko v etom processe gorya!
Umirayushaya korova - eto vsego lish' akt dlya cheloveka, no skol'kix on mojet tolknut' na misli o neumolimosti prirodi, o brennosti jizni i o besmislennosti material'nogo mira. Mnogie iz etix lyudei navernyaka zatem obratyatsya k duxovnoi storone bitiya, stanovyas' dobree i otzivchivee. Eto v svoyu ochered' pryamo proporcial'no uvelichivaet dobro v obshestve. Delaya nashu s vami jizn' priyatnee i dobree. A kto-to govorit 'umirayushaya korova - eto skuchno'!!!!

[Mr X]

Kinik, vo pravi-jizn' tak prekrasna, chto daje muchitelno dlinniy protsess perehoda korovi v mir inoy imeet svoyu izyuminku. V osobenosti kogda korova prinadlejit sosedu. :)

[taks]

i korove ti dal yad :)

[kinik]

opredelenno na nekotorix lyudei ne podeistvuet smert' i sta tisyach korov. pechal'no.

[Mr X]

Ya predpochitayu scennu umirayushego osla :)

[kinik]

ya toje. kogda umiraet osel - na odnogo osla stanovit'sya men'she na svete. eto mojet tol'ko radovat'.

[osel]

Bratzy!!!

Pomirayu!!! Ni za grosh, ni za ponyushku tabaku! Obidno, bratzy! Jalko, jist' to ved', ona tol'ko nachinalosya!! Chto j eto, bratzy! I ne vstupit'sya komu, i ne sjalit'sya!

Eeh, propal ya, paren' molodoy! Ne sud'ba vidat' mne jistiyu nasladit'sya! Ne ugoden ya stal. :( Ladno, star i nemoshchen byl by! A tak, polon sil ved' i strasti! Za chto j takoye nakazanye to!

Smiluytes', bratzy! Po grob jizni budu blagodaren! Uj Vy snimite s menya eto veto, a s menya Vam prichitayetsya!

Vash,

Osel :)

[kinik]

Zachem oslu jit'? Tem bolee oslu molodomu? Vopros, naverno, chisto ritoricheski. Otveta ne jdu. Tem bolee vse osli dumayut, chto oni babochki (kak v starom mul'tfil'me). Nye oslam!