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D.R.E.
03-29-2000, 06:57 AM
Does love exist? :)
I think it does not... it is real as the reality of "fareness"
As fairness does not exist we can conclude that there is no such thing as Love.

E.I.
03-29-2000, 07:17 AM
I think love exists for those who believe it, and it's the matter of mood and in some extend matter of instinct e.x. love towards mother, the place you used to live, and also sexual attraction, what not from all concidered as love, but it is.

It's believed love is feeling, feeling is object of pschycology, functions of brain consists reflects, some reflects are born(instincts), others are obtained. Sigmund Freud the father of pschycoanalisys moved the theory, that moving power og human barin is sexual libido, what finds its reflection in many inderect ways(e.x. not having sex makes person dependant on it, and person is easily subect for love; the oppression of sexual libido will be satisfied with sublimation etc.).

So if you want to know what love from scientific point of view is, it is the matter of feelings - result of cause-result relationships I think.

hello_world
03-29-2000, 07:17 AM
Perhaps, you meant "fairness". Otherwise I have to assume that you are talking of something that has to do with public transportation.:)

And overall, you cannot state your argument as valid, since you have failed to provide immediate inter-dependency links/connections between the two concepts under question.

While I do not question or otherwise oppose your statement, my advice would be provide a better reasoning.

hello_world
03-29-2000, 07:20 AM
Just making sure Please consider my message above as a reply to the author of this thread, i.e. D.R.E..

D.R.E.
03-29-2000, 07:32 AM
Hello-World,
yeah u r right "fairness" :) it was misspelling :)

A na s chet E.I.
My friend,
the thing is there is no LOVE, but only sexual desire... or some call it passion, desire, one's wants... etc.

As Rumit from choyhona answered to a question "But what is it in the eyes of a person when he/she is in love, if it's not love?"
He simply answered "It is a mere reflection of one's sexual desire towards the person he/she looks at"

I acknowledge that there is love to motherland, that there is mother's love to her child...
But THERE IS NO LOVE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN, as it is just a mere sexual desire. And believe me as time passes ur "love" will fade as quickly as it come :)

Khurik
03-29-2000, 09:33 AM
There is love of GOD, there is love of the Prophet(SAW), there is love of one's nation, there is love of one's country, there is love of sisters & brothers and parents, there is love between man and woman.
But love for GOD and the Prophet(SAW) should be the strongest. It should be stronger than your love towards yourself.The rest are this worldly love, which is gonna die when you pass away. But still they are love even though temporarily.
About love between man and woman, you should be able to understand the difference between sexual desire and love. I think most people confuse between these two, and they may bilieve sexual desire to be love.

Khurshid

E.I.
03-29-2000, 09:57 AM
Khurik's remarks are interesting,

first there should be discription of term LOVE,

so if we assume Love as reflexes, the love to mother(because of kids sucking, Freud says the first desire to be satisfied, sucking gives a child satisfaction, the driving force - libido!!!), place where one lives(even among animals) and obtained non-conditional reflexes - Love to God etc...

Person gets education throughout his life, love to Prophet, God could be explained in other ways too. The fact that feelings change as reaction to the reality, love changes as well. So love in God is also relative, it could be explained by the weeknes of human against nature(totem animals,fire, sun, anything above - heaven etc.) as well as the instinctive feeiling -believe in something as sacred.

If one tries to understand all these processes, the result is human - biolgical animal able to think analytically and posessing intelligence.

So what I wanna say is LOVE is an artificial term for feelings of loyality and dependance(it could be sexual, moral etc.) what will always remain in human nature.

taks
03-29-2000, 10:43 AM
"Person gets education throughout his life, love to Prophet, God could be explained in other ways too. The fact that feelings change as reaction to the reality, love changes as well. So love in God is also relative, it could be explained by the weeknes of human against nature."

hmmmm... conceptually you try to build your knowledge of inferiority to explain the superior power. Believe me you are in a wrong path. As love to GOD cannot be relative in a mature and self established person as he/she understands the superior in his/her heart not mind. As mind changes heart's ways not. Therefore the feeling is not relative. As long as you are mature enough.

Prosto tak
03-29-2000, 04:24 PM
Probably, there is no love; there is only a desire as you said, D.R.E. But why do people feel pain when they brake up? Why do they miss someone who is really far from them?
Is that just a wish, desire, and passion? And do you think when people say, "I miss you", " I want you to be here, with me". Is that just a piece of bullshit (sorry), expression of desire or just human's unfaithfulness?
If you have only desires you can find a replacement very easy and then just go for it.
I think that for everybody the concept of love is different, and you cannot say for everybody in this world. I think that mostly love is just a feeling of safety, reliability and happiness. When you feel that your life is filled with something special and valuable for you.

Lucky
03-29-2000, 09:28 PM
"It depends"-An economist's answer.

D.R.E.
03-29-2000, 10:18 PM
Dorogaya Prosto Tak,
Smotrya na tvoi slova, ne vozmojno proslezitsya ibo pomnyu tot dalkiy uje '97 god kogda mne bilo tak bol'no i grustno posle razluki s odnoy devushkoy kazalos' bi chistoy i nejnoy no v to je vremya kovarnoy i derzkoy.
Da, deystvitel'no pri razluke lyudi chuvstvuyut bol'... no esli ti schitaesh chto chuvstvo razluki, chuvstvo boli v dushe, chuvstvo skuki eto i est' chuvstvo lyubvi to ne znayu po kakim parametram ti sudish o lyubvi.

Ya vsegda dumal chto esli est' lyubov' (as it does not exist... only in novells) to eto doljno bit' takim chuvstvom mejdu dvumya lyud'mi
kotorroe svyazivaet ih tak sil'no :) chto ne znayu kak daje :)

Prosto tak
03-29-2000, 11:23 PM
Dorogoy D.R.E,
znaesh ne hochu sporit" s toboy, prosto nel"zya skazat" chto net lyubvi esli ti ee ne ispitival. Take your time.
I potom znaesh chto govoryat kogda chelovek chto to ochen" chasto utverjdaet to eto govorit o tom chto u nego est" koe kakie somneniya po etomu povodu.
tak chto let's just wait, vdrug sluchitsya chudo:).

Mrs. Pachino
03-30-2000, 03:30 AM
chudo, chudo ... "da budet svet," - skazal Axmed .... :) :) ) :)

D.R.E.
03-30-2000, 04:01 AM
Netu chuda... kak netu volshebstva... Ili glazam moim uj videtsya miraj... ?

Ya skaju vam odno.
Chto mujchini i jenshini inogda bivayut ochen kovarnimi. Libo mujchina ne ispitivaet osobih chuvstv i dobivaetsya iz jenshini koe chego...
Libo jenshina ne imenya nikakih chuvstv toje dobivaetsya koe chego...

Tak eti koe chto razlichni v dvuh situatsiyah
1) Maybe sexual relationship or passion... or whatever...
2) Money or influence over him or over others through him... or whatever else left...

Star
03-30-2000, 06:50 AM
WHERE IS KICHKINASHECHKA?!!!!

Prosto tak
03-30-2000, 08:05 AM
D.R.E,
Do you want to say that sex and money are the only things that people have nad deserve? Do you what to say that they kind of rule the world?
hm.... let me think about it. I have a situation now, and the most funny thing is that I don't know, which one of these two rules in my case:)
take care
nice discussion:)
Prosto tak...........

taks
03-30-2000, 08:16 AM
As ?Zigmund Freid? said
"Every person seeks to satisfy his/her self esteem... this can be satisfied sexually, influentially, morally, egoistically, altruistically, or by any other means.

Da tak,
I don't know your case but DRE was wrong saying that only those two factors influence us to choose sexual partners.

aaaaaaaa
03-30-2000, 04:30 PM
i vsyo taki ona est'!!!
mojet nekotorie eyo po drugomu nazyvayut