Universitetga kirish adolatli emas!

[Student]

You know what? Now, if you have money you can go wherever you want even if you don't have anything in your head. I know, abroad everything in education is paid but they still look at hteir grades. Here in Uzb you can't even imagine ...
It is not fair...
What do yo think about it?
Even teachers usually do illegal stuff!
After that how students can be truthfull?

[Freestyler]

Dobro pojalovat' v real'nost'...

[jama]

Hehe bechara student NArhozda uqimagan shekilli

Da Freestlyler prav Welcome to jungle mate!!!

[UTA]

Narhozni MB fakultetidanman, bu yil yozda ishonchli dannilarga kora ortacha tanishlarga 4000$ bopti...

[diplomat]

You have three ways if you really want to study at the univerisity....


1) you should have money

or

2) you should have brain

or

3) you should have luck


If you have one of these, or more than one, you are in there :-)))))))))

P.S. Oppz forgot, before this three you need something very important which is called WILL :-)

Good Luck, Brain and Money :-)

[Quruq]

uahahaha. diplo bro, esiz joyidami qanaqa brain... a luck nima degani???

[OPtimist]

proverka - ishlavottiyu, a?

[judgement]

bill gates ham oqishni pul bilan bitirgan ekan mana xozir dunyoni eng boy odami san ham oqivergin nu oqib odam bolgan odam kormadim hali.poka.yozib tur to me:kgbdaishlamayman@reallife .com ga ok.uzing bolsang boldi boshqalarga postavit qigin.

[nancy]

well, if you have the money, you don't need the education at all. :)

why professors engage in illegal activities? It's simple:

1. Can you imagine living with the salary the professors get? Solution-they should be paid enough to have a standard lifestyle.

2. If you study and never miss the class, NO PROFESSOR ever tries to get money from you.

After all, there are so many people I know, who never paid a penny to get their degrees.

[FREEMAN]

universitet masalasi birinchi muomma emas.hali qilinadigan ish kup....

[UMAUS]

Hey

What u r atlking about is not just in Uzbekistan.. Its everywhere.. US, Europe.. everywhere!!! I have seen bribery in both places (specifically in schools). There is only one difference: the amount of money u will have to pay to the teacher...
But believe me.. as Nancy said

If u dont miss classes and are willing to study and you actually study hard, then no teacher can make you pay!!
But you are right.. it has to be reduced to some level... i am not saying removed completely because it is almost impossible... Its HUMAN NATURE...

[cute]

Yes, there is definitely A problem in our educational system. I think it is the fact that ABITURIENTS with good knowledge sometimes find even the smallest possible hole to enter the University. And that is really unfair. Kak tam BOYLAR HAM YIG'LAYDI.

[Latta bo'lsayam, no S]

hehe siqilma deyish kere topic avtoriga, tirik bo'lsen mana bir ikki oydan keyin yana document topshirish boshlanadi, yaxshi bilim bo';lsa o'qishga kriib ketarsan, yaxshi bo'lmasa - uzr soqqalilaga joy bo'shatishga tog'ri keladi...

mayli hayotiyu gap qilaman: bilim super bo'lsa, hech kim sani chetga turtmaydi... pulli asosan ikki toifadan olishadi
1) aqli bor aqlsizlarda
2) aqli yo'q aqllilardan... hayotiy shohidiman esli chjo, chunmagan bo'lsela, keyin etib beraman

Arava

[fox]

Man UWED'da oqiman. Otkan yili Qabul Komissiyasi (Admissions Office)'da ishladim. Rostini etaman - hich qanaqa illegal activity kormadim. Odamla kelip: "Siz qanchaga kirgansiz?" deydi. Nu, ozimmiz oqib kirganmiz. Og'ayni, "Brain" bo'lsa kirasiz. Nu, "luck" ham kerak, ahir bu "multiple choice test". Boshqasini omadi ko'proq bosa otib ketadi sizdan. Man ohiridan bitta tepada boganman royhatta :) Mani ballim "prohodnoy" :) Nu, kontraktni to'lab oqivomman. Yomon emas. :)

But Nancy, I'm not agree with you. Yeah, sometimes they (teachers) do illegal stuff when they need money. But mostly not. If they are highly qualified, they can earn money. Most teachers in UWED do private teaching and earn $4-6 from each their student. That's fair. And they teach in UWED for their own career. But there are some, who knoe nothing and demand money from you. Student have no rights here. That's the problem. Last year my economy teacher removed almost all my seminar points and i couldn't prove i've done them. So you see, teachers give reports only at the end, not during of each semester.

That's all for now. I've no mood to talk ;)

[maniax]

fox:
ya toje tam uchus'!!!, poka(so far) ;-)
bribary est' vezde.
znaesh, UWED sucks big time. vot kogda mi' uchilis' na pervom kurse vsyo bi'lo po drugomu.-)
no seychas ne to vremya. hotya i seychas i togda ne trogayut kto uchit'sya(chemu blagodaren unlimited)
no na glazah rastet prestupnost' na kampuse sredi prepodov.
hodyat prikoli:' pokaji mne Prepoda i ya skaju skol'ko on/ona Stoit.
eto bi'lo vsegda; no chto interesno, yavlenie nachinaet obretat' hronicheskiy i bi'tovoy harakter.
vsem salom,

maniaCz

[Hezu-gurez]

2 Umaus
Umaus mi ponimaem chto ti hochesh pol'stit lishniy raz komu nado ;) (po tvoemu saytu yasno kakoy ti chelovek). I gde v US berut vzyatki v shkolah??? :)) esli, kogdalibo eto sluchitsa, CNN pol goda etoy teme posvyatit (vspomnite: Monica Liwinski, Garry Condit, september 11th, America under attack, etc.). No, dlya normal'nih skaju, vseh ucheteley mojno prostit, salary u nih smeshnie, che eshe delat'? vzyatki konechno brat, a umniy uchenik budet davat vzyatki, i v toje vremya uchit to chto emu nado(vijimat eto u uchitelya), RINOCHNAya ekonomika ponimaeshle...

[diplomat]

Well uma,

do you think it is a problem to get into uni for americans ??? :-)))

Well, actually for some maybe :-) but in general who wants to study can study....there are so many unis here....uncomparable with the number of unis in UZB...and tuition is not that high for americans...

eeeh, anyway....good luck people...

Uchis', Uchis', i yesho raz uchis' a pomot rabotay :-)

Peace Out

[ALumni]

Bratik student?!!
- kak ne beri ti prav- unas ochen trudno postupit!!! - no matter ya got smart brain or not it is hard to get admission , unless ya got BIiiiiiiG hot caaaaaash !!!
na Etom ya uveren po svoemu jiznennemu opitu , a takje po opitu moih sester?!!!


-eto konechno prb-ma administratsii vuzov ?!!! i
mne s toboy takuyu prb-mu ne reshit vidishli???! ya konechno ponimayu tvoyo gore, a vot cho podelaesh?!!!

A vot v Amerikanskie VUZi trebuyut (ot inostrantzev)vsego lish znanie yazika! (Officiall Toefl)
toje samoe v Anglii i v Germanii i po vsey Europe po moemu?!!!

v Amerike za obuchenie samo Gosudarstvo platit grajdanam esli student ne v sostoyanii platit za obechenie?!!!!!!!!!! a to chto vzyatka v US - eto bred!!!!
Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot????:)

Vot umenya horoshiy argument na eto:
v Tash-te ya platil za kontrakt bolshie dengi -for my Bachalor's deg?!!! - avot v Amerike sami- amerikantsi mne platili chtob ya poshol do kontsa i zakonchil vsyu moyu Masterskuyu Programmu ?!!! Posle chego sami daje nashli vot rabotu mne - konechno eto oni ni vsem delayut eto -nu vot vidishli obuchenie zdes tsenitsya?!
- vidishli, Uzbekistane platil dengi za obuchenie( for contract )- a v Amerike sami platyat!!!!!!!!!

Jelayu OGromnih uspehov abiturientam Uzbekistana?!:)

Gena

[diplomat]

Hi Gena !

Undergraduate and Graduate is different isn't it ? :-)

For graduate you are right...there are lot's of assistanceships but things are different for undergraduate....

V Uzbekistane ya ne platil nichego...a v Amerike esli zahochu uchitsa govoryat plati $$$ :-)

Vo pervih vsyo zavisit ot VUZOV...

If you have money GREEN Light...

If you have brain and apply to the right uni again GREEN Light....

If you have Luck VERY GREEN LIGHT :-)

Good luck..

P.S. Your life experience showed that money is important in UZB, mine showed that brain and luck is important. well, in my case I guess luck helped me...althouth my family says brain...anyway...

BEST LUCK to you STUDENT :-)

[umaus]

'Hezu-gurez'
'Umaus mi ponimaem chto ti hochesh pol'stit lishniy raz komu nado' -

L'stit' nikomu ya ne hotel.. eto vo 1ih..
vo 2ih i chto je tebe yasno po moemu situ? kakoi je ya chelovek? LOL :)
hochesh uznat' gde berut vzyatki??...mnogo chego hochesh? :) etpgp ne mogu skazat',no pover' mne.. videl ya eto ne raz. Mojet bribery in US is not done exactly the same way as in UZB...but students do pay to get a better grade...
v 3ih, ti chto dumaesh US Media obo vsem tebe govorit? LOL hahaha :) Neujeli ti dumaesh esli pokazali pro Monica Lewinski, "Sept 11" (bil plohoi primer, eshe bi ob etom ne govorili:) ) i td... to znachit VSYO pokazivayut i govoryat
- Esli v US po TV ili Radio... chego libo ne pokazali ili neskazali eto ne znachit chto etogo ne sushestvuet!! :) dont be naive
With the rest i agree with you...

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Diplomat...
i never said anything about the difficulty for an american to get into a Uni.
But.. ofcourse, sometimes it could be a problem for them to get into a Uni.
- "but in general who wants to study can study" -- Same goes for Uzbekistan... if u want to study you can study...
And yeah :)) Uchitsya Uchitsya i eshe raz Uchitsya '-) kak skazal velikyi UMAUS ;)
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Pereidyom k Alumni

"no matter ya got smart brain or not it is hard to get admission , unless ya got BIiiiiiiG hot caaaaaash !!!
na Etom ya uveren po svoemu jiznennemu opitu , a takje po opitu moih sester?!!!" -

Govorish po svoemu opitu? a ti uvern chto u tebya smart brain??? (just a question. no offense).. because after reading what you wrote.. you didnt sound smart! (just an opinnion) ;)

Vo 1ih, "Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot?" - that didnt sound smart AT ALL... s kakogo ... ti vzyal chto ya komu to dayu? :)
Ti sam sebe protivorechish.. :) snachala govorish - "a to chto vzyatka v US - eto bred!!", a potom govorish - "Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot" Tak kak ya mogu davat' komu to esli ya uchus' v US?? - eto po tvoei teorii... ne moei. A dokazivat' chto daje v US berut vzyatki ya ne sobirayus'.
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I eshe na schet...

"v Amerike za obuchenie samo Gosudarstvo platit grajdanam esli student ne v sostoyanii platit za obechenie?!!!!!"

"v Tash-te ya platil za kontrakt bolshie dengi -for my Bachalor's deg?!!! - avot v Amerike sami- amerikantsi mne platili chtob ya poshol do kontsa i zakonchil vsyu moyu Masterskuyu Programmu ?!!! Posle chego sami daje nashli vot rabotu mne...."
LOL LOL LOL i eshe raz LOL :) :)
Paru slov..
Vo 1ih ti otoshel ot nashei temi sovsem!!
vo 2ih, Ti chto JOPU s Palzem sravnivaesh? :) :)Gonish? ili pritvoryashesya? Nashel che sravnivat' - USA i UZB... kadr:) .. sorry konechno.. no eto bilo glupo. nebudu razyasnyat' nadeus sam poimesh chto glupo bilo...

Thanks for your opinions anyways...
I wish LUCK to all the Uzbek students around the world!! Study!!...and thats the only key to your and our future!! (good future)
Oh yeah.. GOOD LUCK ON THE UPCOMING FINALS!!!

[fox]

Nu, odin umidovec mne rasskazival kak drugoy umidovec v amerikanskom vuze prostavil svoyu ocenku po kakomu-to predmetu za butilku vodki ;)

Maniax - vot imenno, otlichiye UWED ot Narhoz'a v tom, chto v UWED pozvolyayut samomu zarabativat' balli. No ved' ne vse u nas berut? Ya slihal o nekotorih, za banu kofe...Mdaa...do chego dokatilis'. :) Nu, ne tak uj u nas naglo idut. V UWED vzyatku predlagayet student, a ne prepod. No vse ravno nado likvidirovat'...

[diplomat]

fox,
LOoooolllll

Za banku kofe ? :-) nu eto ne velika poterya :-) eto delayut te kotoriye ne idut na urok (you know which) i gotovyatsa k testam drugih predmetov.....well there are some other alternatives also....but.....hmm....welll...tell yourself what subject is that ??? :-) for which people give coffee :-)

Alright anyway...I am just having fun on a break...

damn it ...gotta run to ....

Uma good speech :-)

Best Luck, Brain and Money :-)

[mikel]

I absolutely agree with fox.
You have to try your best, then you will succeed. I heard such words when I was going to enter the Uni, but I haven't seen such illegal acts on the 1 August.
But to some degree others are also maybe right, 'cause thre a lot of students at our Uni whom I don't believe they themselves solved the questions. Anyway, maybe they are lucky ones???!

[Hezu-gurez]

To: mnogouvajaemiy Umaus...
Dassss... Tsitata iz vashego postinga:
Vo 1ih, "Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot?" - that didnt sound smart AT ALL... s kakogo ... ti vzyal chto ya komu to dayu?
Ti sam sebe protivorechish.. snachala govorish - "a to chto vzyatka v US - eto bred!!", a potom govorish - "Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot" Tak kak ya mogu davat' komu to esli ya uchus' v US?? - eto po tvoei teorii... ne moei. A dokazivat' chto daje v US berut vzyatki ya ne sobirayus'. Konets tsitati.
Umaus gonish! :) esli bi ti hotel ti bi ponyal chto avtor prikalivaetsa, Ibo schitaet chto v US ne gde vzyatki ne berut.
A teper' vspomnim tvoy predidushiy posting:
"What u r atlking about is not just in Uzbekistan.. Its everywhere.. US, Europe.. everywhere!!! I have seen bribery in both places (specifically in schools). There is only one difference: the amount of money u will have to pay to the teacher... " (US is United States, isn't it? no za svoi slova nujno otvechat, ne takli? osobenno fanati Viktora Tsoya ochen pravil'ni'e rebyata, no ti ih oblojal... tak kak seychas doljen budesh priznat chto piz@il).
I vernemsa k novomu tvoemu postingu:
" A dokazivat' chto daje v US berut vzyatki ya ne sobirayus"
Za svoi slova nujno otvechat, znaet kajdiy :) Balabol ti odnako, i ya pomoemu eto govoryu obosnovviayas na tvoih postingah ;)
A na schet tvoego, Ya otkril flash variant, i ot obiliya golubogo sveta stalo toshno, No potom ya dognal, tije namangonli...(ne govorya ob soderjanii ;)).


P.S. ur reply for my message is not worth to be mentioned :) Good luck, Jdu otveta kak mineta...

[umaus]

vo 1ih sledi za yazikom
vo 2ih za kajdoe slovo ya otvechu...
I tebe takomu nedogonu sovetayu chitat i ponimat' luchshe, i vnimatelnee

To chto ya napisal v 1om postinge to i povtoril vo 2om!

OByasnyayu opyat takim nedagonam kak ti Herzu-Gurez

- "Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot?" - that didnt sound smart AT ALL... s kakogo ... ti vzyal chto ya komu to dayu?"
- Sprosite samogo UMAus- komu on dengi dayot" Tak kak ya mogu davat' komu to esli ya uchus' v US?? - eto po tvoei teorii... ne moei"
Ti ne videl chto ya tam napisal i podcherknul emu (Alumni) chto - "eto po tvoei teorii... ne moei" Esli je on govorit chto vzyatki v US eto bred i potom on govorit sprosite u Umausa komu on dayot... tak gde zdes' logika... ved' esli dumat kak Alumni ya nikak ne mogu davat' dengi tak kak ya uchus v US.. i tak kak on govorit chto vzyatki v US eto bred.. to otvet na etot vopros odin, to chto ya nikomu ne dayu!! I opyat je ETO PO EGO TEORII.. a po moei teorii - tak kak ya znayu chto v US berut vzyatki... ya MOGU davat dengi!! Ya emu prosto razyasnil chto imenno on protivorevchit svoim milslyam.

Tak na schet - "A dokazivat' chto daje v US berut vzyatki ya ne sobirayus" - pochemu ya ne sobirtayus' eto ne potomuchto chto v US ne berut vzyatki a potomuchto dokazivat eto komulibo bespolezno!! hotite ver'te hotite net!! Tak chto Balobol tut TI (Hezu-Gurez) potomuchto slovarishsya mnogo bez osnovanii... a bezosnovanii potomuchto ti nedogon.. nauchis chitat vnimatelnei..
Tak chto bud' uveren chto za svoi slova ya otvechu...
Tak teper' naschet moego Homepage Flash version.. mne kak to poh... chto ti dumaesh, no tvoi komentarii prosto mne dokazali kakoi ti idiot i rebyonok...
Prichem tut goluboi cvet i bit' Namanganskim..??
I skakogo hu.. ti vzyal chto esli mnogo golubogo zveta to eto svayzano s golubimi??? LOL :) Pazan(rebyonok) ti eshe naverno, esli u tya takoe mishlenie.
Da ya Namanganskii...i prichem tut goluboi zvet...golubie i Namanganskie LOL :)) i dont see any relationship between them.... i just see one thing, it's how stupid you are...
A esli ti namekal na to chto vse Namanganskie golubie... to mojno sprosti uvajaemyi Heru-gurez, esli vi takoi "mujik" i otvechaete za svoi slova... to pojaluista otvette za svoi slova.. gde vashi obosnovaniya?? ;) ved' ti bil prav chto za svoi slova da! nado otvechat'... vot tolko imenno vi uvajaemyi ne otvechaete za slova.. tak kak ya uje i skazal, bolobolom okazalsya ti!!
- Gde tvoi osnovaniya na to chto Namanganskie golubie???
I eshe.. i chto je ti nashel nepravelnogo v soderjanii moei stranichki?
i Finally... tak kak ti uje znaesh mnogo chego obo mne.. imya, where i am from, where i am right now... bud' lyubezen skaji svoyo imya hotyabi... otherwise you seem like a pussy hiding your identity...
A to chto ti jdesh otveta kak mineta... eto ti na che namekaesh? :)) LOL ili eto ti mne pitaeshsya skazat' kto ti est'? ;)

Vobshem.... OMAD!!

P.S. vot tebe moi otvet "mineta" LOL ;)

[Tank]

uhahahahahahah
Sprasite u sprasite kamy daet davalka, eto bilo vo (1)x, a v (2)x vse eto x*#na. V USA and UK vzatku daesh pered ucheboi v min razmere $10.000 v god posle takoi vzadki luchi uchitsa ( i uchitsa horosho).

[Khamlo]

Student: DA nuuu, blyaaa budu... Shunakami. Daje domlalar illegal stuff delaut degin!?
Dostim, eto tolko tip of iceberg. Derma po gorlo. DAje prezident polojil na vseh i pravit skolko vleset (ili poka "molod").
Mdee, bir gap bolar
Mamlakatimiz esa ...

[ALumni]

Mdaaaaaaaaaaaa.. :)
stoilo vremya potratit na temu chem kidatsya kamnyami..
mi uzbeki takie kulturnie i privetlivie drug -drugu, hotya daje neznaem komu i skem obshaemsya, mastera mi tapalyakat i zakrit vsem rot "izza krovi- uzbetskoy" navernoe???!! da Umayus???;)
-- pomoemu ya ne govoril chto umenya smart brain????
-hotya po usham zapinat etih Amerikantsov i poluchit ishniye dengi- etimi kurinimi mozgami svoe vremya daje ochen bilo dostatochno!!!!! !:)
Ya neznayu konechno, gde ti uchishsya , no v moem univere bilo okolo 45000 studentov, i tama ochen horosho otlichali umnogo ot umnogo- and it was even ridiculous there with so many studnets to talk about bribery. Eto naverno v Tehnikume ili mojet v uchilishe Umayusa dayut vzyatki za horoshiy grade!!!^_^:))
ya konechno tebya ne vinu za eto, esli ti s umida ,tak kak ya slishal oni vam vse nahodyat(VUZ), no mojet utya dostatochno balov ne bilo na horoshiy VUZ- amerikanskiy gde vzyatki ne berut???!!!;)
ladno - hrani svoi nervie kletki sebe!- ya gonna need them when ya go back to work with "real uzbeks":)

Tema menya potrogala pro postupleniya v VUzi v Uz-ne i vspomnil kak mne trudno bilo postupit v to vremya bez hrena v karmane, poetomu hotel prosto Studentu skazat chto v Amerike vse po drugomu?!!!!!!!!!


Diplomat, thxs for yr comments!:)
dlya undergradov toje polno ,prosto ih nado iskat i zayavlyat v tochnoe vremya!!!kak ya slishal dlya sestri , est scholarship and goverment Aid for undergrads with 3.0 GPA (in Public Schools only), both of which pays all yr tuition and living?!!!! karochi est eshyo vsyakie granti vnutri vuza s issledovaniem dlya undergradov?!!!!! need to see US Univer research pages Online?!!!!
est eshyo drugie vnutriUniversitetskie organizatsii kot-e videlyayut up to $3000 per sem. if YA qualify?!!!!!:)

ya davnim davno zakonchil !!! prosto tema potrogala na moi hudshie studencheskie godi v Tashkente- !!!

Good luck on FInals to ya all!

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Hezu-gurez (Apr 22, 2002 19:47):
2 Umaus
Umaus mi ponimaem chto ti hochesh pol'stit lishniy raz komu nado ;) (po tvoemu saytu yasno kakoy ti chelovek). I gde v US berut vzyatki v shkolah??? :)) esli, kogdalibo eto sluchitsa, CNN pol goda etoy teme posvyatit (vspomnite: Monica Liwinski, Garry Condit, september 11th, America under attack, etc.). No, dlya normal'nih skaju, vseh ucheteley mojno prostit, salary u nih smeshnie, che eshe delat'? vzyatki konechno brat, a umniy uchenik budet davat vzyatki, i v toje vremya uchit to chto emu nado(vijimat eto u uchitelya), RINOCHNAya ekonomika ponimaeshle...

V USA berut.. toka po drugomu... Vot naprimer ya byl TA v paru klassah.. The guy/girl gets a definite F or D and they don't pass

So turns out that the guy/girl is a son/daughter/nephew/grandkid/whatever of a major school sponsor. So how the hell do you blast an F or D in their grade report... You also may get a call from the Dean or School President about allowing them to get extra credit project or retake the test... until eventually they get C- and pass the course... What is the cost of the bribe... The sponsor whose marketing executive's daughter was studying in the school has given about 3-4 million in one year... make your consequent conclusions.. bribery exists everywhere.. it's just a matter of the AMOUNT...

[Freestyler]

Exactly, bribery exists everywhere, and it IS a matter of the DEGREE that is different.

Nowhere near are American or European corruption levels and bribery so ubiquitous and degrading for the economy, social life, and democracy in general as they are in Uzbekistan!!!

So stop that silly arguement that bribery exists everywhere. We all know that and it is IRRELEVANT to the topic.
Instead, debate over the degree of corruption and it's detrimental effect on our lives in Uzbekistan.

[umaus]

Kroka
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V USA berut.. toka po drugomu...

So turns out that the guy/girl is a son/daughter/nephew/grandkid/whatever of a major school sponsor. So how the hell do you blast an F or D in their grade report... You also may get a call from the Dean or School President about allowing them to get extra credit project or retake the test... until eventually they get C- and pass the course... What is the cost of the bribe... The sponsor whose marketing executive's daughter was studying in the school has given about 3-4 million in one year... make your consequent conclusions.. bribery exists everywhere.. it's just a matter of the AMOUNT...
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Kroka, Thank you bro!!! :)) at least one person understands me here !!

Bribery is everywhere just in different forms...
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Alumni
:) LOL mne prosto ne veritsya chto ti vzroslyi chelovek!!! Vo pervih ti opyat je umnichaesh i delaesh svoi tupie vivodi

Ya vo 1ih ya ne nervnichayu :) mojesh bit uveren!! ;)

LOL i eshe... ne budu govorit gde ya uchus' Vuz eto ili eshe che... no prosto hochu skazat chto ti kak mujik za svoi slova ne otvechaesh... ti uje vot kakoi raz hochesh dokazat' chto v US net bribery... tak pochemu ti ne stoish na svoem slove!! Predpolojim ya uchus' v VUZe v US, po tvoim slovam - "Eto naverno v Tehnikume ili mojet v uchilishe Umayusa dayut vzyatki za horoshiy grade!!!" - Tak znachit vsyo taki ti soglasen s tem chto v US berut vzyatki?? :) :)
Gde bi eto ne bilo... v Tehnikume etc...mi govorim o US!! No ya tebe skaju chto ne tolko v Tehnikume tut berut..

-"ya konechno tebya ne vinu za eto, esli ti s umida ,tak kak ya slishal oni vam vse nahodyat(VUZ), no mojet utya dostatochno balov ne bilo na horoshiy VUZ- amerikanskiy gde vzyatki ne berut???!!!"

I eshe prosto skaju chto NET ya ne cherez Umid!
i to chto ti slishal chto v Umide nahodyat VUZ tipo ne horoshie Univeri.. ne pravelno slishal... ochen mnogo Umidovcev uchatsya v odnih iz samih luchshih Univerah v US.. tak chto uchti eto!!!
Potom, to chto balov ne havtilo... eto ne tvoi problemi!! gde ya uchus'... syuda ya postupil sam.. tak chto davaite ne budem fantozirovat.. i s vozduha delat kakie to predpolojeniya... a to ya bi skazal kto tak delaet... ne hochu obijat'!!

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Freestyler

I agree... "Instead, debate over the degree of corruption and it's detrimental effect on our lives in Uzbekistan"

But..."So stop that silly arguement that bribery exists everywhere. We all know that"
It seems like that not everybody knows that it exists everywhere!! thats why maybe the topic took a different course... But yes, u r right... lets get back to the original topic!!!

OMAD all!!