Cell phone got cheaper than a copper line

[fox]

UzbekTelekom has changed the prices for calls.

Previous prices:
Local calls: 0.55 soum/min
Long distance calls within Uzbekistan: 20 soums/min

Now:
Local calls: 1.05 soum/min
Long distance calls within Uzbekistan: 60 soums/min.

Call from a cell connected to Uzdunrobita:
Local calls: $0.17
Long distance calls within Uzbekistan: $0.20 (afaik)

So, I think now it's cheaper to use a cellphone ;)

[Fritz]

Fox,

$0.17, is that per minute calling from cellphone for local calls?

Why would it be cheaper to use cellphones than telephones if $0.17 is about 200 sums?

Thakx:)

[fox]

Because $.17 = 120 soums.
Mathematically it's cheaper to use copper line. But according to service, a cell is better. This is my opinion. Because almost all the prices of cellular operators are stable. Uztelecom made a leap of 00!! Which is incredible. Moreover it's a public sector, not the private. The increase in salary from April 1, 2002 was . So Uztelecom chage its tarrifs accordingly.
And, the service is better with cells. For example, if your copper line is damaged, you wait for the emergency even for months until you contact someone in higher channels or bribe... If your cell phone doesn't contact the station, the problem will be solved asap... So i look what i'm paying for. I'm not a Kevin Mitnick to pay nothing for a phone call and I have to plan my budget :)

[Freestyler]

Daa, gde ti takoy logike nauchilsya, <Fox>?

Da, otnositel'no "landline", mobilnik stal deshevle, no ne potomuchto mobilnik stal deshevle, a potomuchto landline stal DOROJE!

Horoshaya novost' tol'ko dlya Telefonnih sotovih kompaniy, bol'she ni dlya kogo. Uzbek Telekom je riskuyet poteryat' rinok, tak-kak cena na yego uslugi uje bila v elastichnoy zone.

A dlya potrebiteley eto vsyo plohiye novosti. Dlya ekonomiki dumayu toje, tak kak telefonniye zvonki vhodyat v potrebitel'skuyu korzinu. Poetomu navernyaka rost cen na peregovoru otrazitsya na inflyacii...

Azbuka...

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Тарифы на услуги телекоммуникаций

№ Услуги Дата последней декларации Стоимость до повышения Стоимость после 16.04.02 Рост
1. Междугородние разговоры до 300 км население 01.08.00 10 сум 40 400%
2. Междугородние разговоры свыше 300 км население 01.08.00 20 сум 60 300%
3. Междугородние разговоры до 300 км организации 01.08.00 20 сум 40 200%
4. Междугородние разговоры свыше 300 км население 01.08.00 40 сум 60 150%
5. Абонентская плата (без лимита времени) 01.08.00 350 сум 480 сум 137%
6. Абонентская плата (цифровые АТС до 180 мин) 01.08.00 232 сум 318 сум 137%
7. Минута сверх лимита 16.10.00 0,75 1,03 137%
8. Абонентская плата бюджет (без лимита) 10.01.99 1415 1415 100%
9. Абонентская плата бюджет (180 мин) 10.01.99 1353 1353 100%
10. Абонентская плата хозрасчет (без лимита) 10.01.99 2500 2500 100%
11. Абонентская плата хозрасчет (180 мин) 10.01.99 2400 2400 100%


Skoro sotovie toje povisyat ceni.

[fox]

Freestyler, bro, ti ne ponyal menya! Ya ne imel vvidu chto sotovaya svaz' stala deshevle. Da net. Ya prosto hochu skazat' chto "pri takom roste vigodney imet' mobilnik", jelaya posmeyatsya nad Uztelekomom. Mdaa...da vi vismeivaniya ne ponimayete, gospoda seryozniye.

Kroka, nu kogda vi za Uztelekom vozmetes'? Govorit chto za Uztelekom vozmut'sya, a sami u Intal internet berut. Lol. INTAL SUX! :) Kroka, vseryoz. They suck. Uzpak is better. I really mean it, not a subjective opinion.

Lanna, smorite de. Pri takoy monopolii oni mogut ceni i 1000 sum za minutu postavit', i narodu pridetsya yego ispolzovat'. Ili dehkaninu pridetsya kupit' mobilnik.

[KrokoBAZUKA]

For all of you out there confused about pricing policies in the republic of uzbekistan and tend to blame Antimonopoly Committee for not watching out for them.

Itak, soglasno 300 postanovleniya Kabmina ot 2000 goda ob obrazovanii deyatelnosti Ant.Komiteta chetko skazano chto Cenovaya POLITIKA OSTAETSYA ZA MINFINOM.

Takim obrazom poluchaetsya nebolshoy sux v tom chto

Antimonopolniy Komitet:
* Proveryaet pravilnost primeneniya cen i soblyudeniya tarifov so storoni monopoliy
* Presekaet zloupotrebleniya monopoliya
* Ustanavlivaet Kto est monopolist a kto net

A MinFin (our favorite)
* Ustanavlivaet predelnie ceni dlya monopolistov. To est' ceni deklariruyutsya v MinFine.

Takim obrazom esli gospoda MinFin utverdyat ceni dlya Uzbektelekoma v razmere 100000 sum za odnu minutu razgovora mejdu 3 kvartalom chilanzara i 4, to Antimonopolniy Komitet ne mojet izmenit eto. To est' my mojem proverit primenyayut li oni tarif 100000 sum ili 100001, no nikak ne mojet sdelat eto 99999.

My personal opinion, the prices of natural monopolies and may be some of the monopolies should be declared at the Antimonopoly Committee, not MinFin. But oh well.

Tak chto nechego nas vinit. Vinite kolleg nashih umidovcev v MinFine.

[Tank]

It's look like a time to use "pagers" (lol), Kak podumau chto v minfin letom poedyt eshe 2 umides from UTA, tak pram u smeshno stanovitsa.

P.C Kak v basni Krilova "Oboz"(ili Aboz). Lebed, Rak u Sh'yka. Lebed tanet v nebo, Sh'yka v vody, a Rak patitsa nazad!

[Freestyler]

Da, s takimi "shirokimi" polnomochiyami ot Antimonopol'nogo kommiteta tolku ne vidat'...

<Fox>, pardon za nedorazumeniye... :)

[diplomat]

TAnk,
are you talking about UTa and CHuvak ?

ne Aboz ar AVOZ :-) lool I guess :-) nu not Navoz I guess :-) whatever

v etom sluchai ne Lebed', Shuka Rak aaa Lebed', SHuka, Rak, Medved', Zayez, Volk, Lisa, SAva, etc :-)

Fox,
what cell phone company is better and cheaper to use ?
how long will it take to get hooked up ?

Foz hammaga salom....osobenno SHahu...

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Freestyler (Apr 26, 2002 09:49):
Da, s takimi "shirokimi" polnomochiyami ot Antimonopol'nogo kommiteta tolku ne vidat'...


Kak govoritsya ne vse srazu.
Dela vse taki luchshe chem do 2000 goda, kogda Komitet byl pri MinFine (t.e. it was essentially a tool in MinFins hands to conduct the policy it wants).

The reason that MF would really really really want to keep that functions is that the price regulations is closely related with the budget income from taxes. So by allowing to declare a higher price, MF potentially allows monopolies to earn greater profits, thus increasing inflow to budget by means of taxes.

Because of more than 20% of GDP is produced by the monopolies (I mean not the monopoly company as a whole, but the product or service on which we have a monopoly) this function is an excellent tool for MF.

At present, Ant.Com does not have enough human resources to take the function of price declaration. The first step should be transfer of price declaration of the natural monopolies to the Ant.Com. With the further reduction of number of monopolistic goods and services the remaining should also be passed on to the Ant.Com or the price declaration should be eliminated

[Coooool]

hm... Kadi poluchaesh 100$ v mesyats, i polovinu iz nih platish za "mobilku", u're really "cool".

[CoooooL2]

A ostalinu polaviny na transportation to vashe double COOOL ( hehe)

[Freestyler]

At present, Ant.Com does not have enough human resources to take the function of price declaration. The first step should be transfer of price declaration of the natural monopolies to the Ant.Com. With the further reduction of number of monopolistic goods and services the remaining should also be passed on to the Ant.Com or the price declaration should be eliminated

human resources govorish ne hvatayet? Interesno, tol'ko li etogo? V lubom sluchaye, yesli verdict o cenovoy politike ostayotsya za MinFinom, kakih bi assov ekonomiki vi be ne angajirovali, oshutimogo tolku ot AMC budet malo.

I potom, seryozno ludey ne hvatayet, ili finansov na ih vovlecheniye na hvatayet? Ya bi s udovol'stviyem ustroilsya posle okonchaniya. Kak raz pod moy spec.
A gonorar kakoy u vas, ne podskajesh' pls, toje ?

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Freestyler (Apr 29, 2002 12:06):

human resources govorish ne hvatayet? Interesno, tol'ko li etogo? V lubom sluchaye, yesli verdict o cenovoy politike ostayotsya za MinFinom, kakih bi assov ekonomiki vi be ne angajirovali, oshutimogo tolku ot AMC budet malo.

I potom, seryozno ludey ne hvatayet, ili finansov na ih vovlecheniye na hvatayet? Ya bi s udovol'stviyem ustroilsya posle okonchaniya. Kak raz pod moy spec.
A gonorar kakoy u vas, ne podskajesh' pls, toje ?

Kak vam vsem izvestno - chislennost gos organov eto ne prosto tak vzyal uvelichil shtat.. vzyal umenshil. Kajdiy gos organ imeet shtatnoe raspisanie, vplot do uborshici :) Tak je struktura lyubovo gos organa KabMinovskim postanovleniem utverjdaetsya.
Tak chto vzyat i otkrit upravlenie cenovoy politiki i zabrat etu funkciyu u MF nelzya... Nado pravitelstvennoe reshenie. A chtoby otvoevat takoe reshenie, nado sebya snachala pokazat chto mojno rabotat normalno... nu skajem v teh sferah v kotorih chujih interesov netu ili malo. Skajem Consumer rights ili Advertising.... ili restrukturizaciya monopoliy... i tp. a tak kak raboty tolkom i ne bylo do ne davnih por (esli chestno tak brat) to i zabrat cenovuyu politiku nu nikak uje ne bylo vozmojno..

A nashet kadrovoy politiki.. to vrode vse going no so bad... S Umida naroda valom pret... tak chto the choice is yours

[Freestyler]

Nu tak kak naschyot zaprlati? Nedelu projit' na neyo smogu hotya bi? :) (Buduchi na vegetarianskoy diyete i topaya peshkom na rabotu?)

[fox]

diplomat: hi there! how are you? :) ok. My opinion.
1)The best service is provided by Daewoo Unitel. But it's one of the most expensive ones.
2)Uzdunrobita has the widest coverage. Prices are normal. Optimal - quality + price. www.uzdunrobita.com. My bro spends around $15-30/mo
3)Perfectum Mobile (we call it Defectum Mobile) has CDMA - the cheapest technology among others. Secure one. But the highest prices for a talk. Although they claim their communication work in subways, it doesn't work unless you're 50 meters close to station. ;)
4) Coscom...don't know.
5) Uzmacom....pay $35/mo and you got free incoming.

Kroka: A nafig togda AMC sozdavali? (nothing private) hmm....nu da, vi sperva doljni pokazat' svoyu silu. No kak vi yeyo pokajete kogda vi nichego ne mojete delat'?

Freestyler: ;)

[KrokoBAZUKA]

fox (May 01, 2002 11:11):
Kroka: A nafig togda AMC sozdavali? (nothing private) hmm....nu da, vi sperva doljni pokazat' svoyu silu. No kak vi yeyo pokajete kogda vi nichego ne mojete delat'?


Vot vse i govoryat nafiga nafiga....
Nafiga sozdavali mojesh vzyat i posmotret 300 postanovleniye.. tam v razdele celi.. zadachi whatever napisano na figa :)

A teper kasatelno for real about nafiga... Kstati neskolko milliardnie shtrafi to one single monopolist nichego ne govoryat ob authority?
Vot kto ni stalkivaetsya s AMC tem v principe nikogda i ne nujno.. Nu konechno krome sfer Zashiti prav potrebiteley i reklamy.. Tut situaciya ne ahti, no v principe zdvigi est... po krayney mere bespredela netu uje kak neskolko let...

A nashet krupnih monopoliy tut vopros nemnogo slojniy. Nekotorie otrasli posle neskolkih krupnih shtrafov uje dumayut neskolko raz do togo kak povishat ceni. Odnako mnogie sferi imeyut strategicheskuyu napravlennost i delat to chto s nimi my shitaem pravilnim prosto tak nelzya.. vzyat k primeru TEK ili Airways.

Chto kasaetsya telekommunikaciy i rosta ih cen ya lichno smotrel ih obosnovanie (thanks to the person who rose the issue :) tut s UzAPT byla razborka). K svedeniyu sredniy rost sostavil 1,31 raz - prichem posledniy price change took place few years ago and they are already in a hole for the first quarter. Tak chto bolee ili menee the price changes were reasonable.

lanna ne budu dolgo yazikom chesat esil komu nibud really interesny otdelnie sfere mojem eto obsudit v drugom topice

Freestyler :) A ty che ne zarplatu v Gos Organah planiruesh otpust na Kanarah provodit :) ili na zarplatu mashinu kupit ili dom? :)

[Bonik]

Freestyler,
zarplata tam 20000 oklad, no na ruki poluchayut poryadka 35000 so vsemi premial'nimi i bullshitami.
Zarplata dave vishe chem v Minfine.

Krokabazuka!
Ish chego zahotel !!! mutafakkir nashelsya! Chtob ti ustanavlival nam cenu :) Neeee bratan etogo ya ne hochu! :) just kidding :)

Kstati znaesh kak ti mojesh dobitsya togo chego hochesh! Sdelay analiz issleduy neskol'ko rynkov. Vyvedi gde oshibki minfina kak mojno izmenit strukturu... Napishi raport na imya shefa svoego! A Shef pust' viydet na verh. Esli che mogu dat' tebe telefon sotovogo sekretarshi prem'er ministra :) chtob ona protolknula vashe delo pervee vseh :)

Brgds,
Bonik

[fox]

Kroka: nu, ya ved' toko slishu chto vi kogo to oshtrafovali. Vi bi hot' publikovali regulyarno chto proishodit, chtob i prostoy narod znal effect (i chto voobshe yest' takoy kommitet). Toko ne govori chto pechatayete. Naverno v kakom nit' "Chilonzor hafta ichida" ili "AMC sadosi" :))
Informirovannost' u naroda malenkaya. Daje yesli nashi tupiye jurnalisti sami iniciativu ne podayut vi poydite sami dayte zakaz, sdelayte dobroye delo. :)

[KrokoBAZUKA]

fox (May 03, 2002 10:38):
Kroka: nu, ya ved' toko slishu chto vi kogo to oshtrafovali. Vi bi hot' publikovali regulyarno chto proishodit, chtob i prostoy narod znal effect (i chto voobshe yest' takoy kommitet). Toko ne govori chto pechatayete. Naverno v kakom nit' "Chilonzor hafta ichida" ili "AMC sadosi" :))
Informirovannost' u naroda malenkaya. Daje yesli nashi tupiye jurnalisti sami iniciativu ne podayut vi poydite sami dayte zakaz, sdelayte dobroye delo. :)

A ty vklyuchi radio chtoli....
tam uje dney dvadcat po 7 stanciyam 6 raz v den roliki nashi krutyat (i prichem uje ne traditional... Uvajayte Zakon o Zashite Prav potrebiteley etc shit, a uje bolee menee modern shit). Proedsya po metro...
Skoro mojet po TV Consumer Riights roliki budut. Toka odna problema - obshestvennie organizacii tipa Federacii Zashiti Prav potrebiteley suck - they don't do enough work - hotya vezde zarubejom eto obshestvennie organizacii. I eshe odna problema SUDI - vot ne mogut oni eshe cases handle delat about reklama or ZPP or monopoly power abuse.. i vse k nam prihodyat - a che kontora iz 70 chelovek doljna za ves' hozyaystvenniy sud otduvatsya?

[tokiec]

nichego, vot vernus' domoy, poydu v Hoz. Sud, budet vsyo po umu! :P

tokiec 8)