Demonopolization of some industries.. Suggestion needed

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Your opinion - which monopoly industries should be, and in the matter of 1-2 years CAN BE demonopolized or restructured. be realistic - ne nado takih "unreal" veshey govorit kak neftegaz, hlopok, havo yullari i metallurgiya etc. Something more real. I have a couple but I need more.

1) Avtodor - krupnaya monopoliya kotoruyu mojno dovolno bistro restrukturizirovat
2) "Uzriba" - v principe kajdie podrazdeleniya mogut sami sushestvovat
3) otdelnie uslugi "Uzkomunhizmata"

More ideas welcomed

[Lamer]

UzbekTelekom,
i vzyat u Uzpaka vsyakii privilegii kotoriye privodyat k monoplnoy vlasti.

poka vse

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Uzbektelecom shas nemcam prodayut 51%. a v chem zaklyuchaetsya ego demonopolizaciya? Ranshe ego 1 raz uje s pontom demonopolizirovali: razdelili ego na 14 melkih filialov - kotorie toje byli monopolistami. tut tolku malo. ved glavnoe ne razukrupnenie a sozdanie konkurentnoy sredi.

vchera eshe odnu ideyu prislali:

GAVS - glavnoe agentstvo vozdushinih soobsheniy UzAira
sdelat' ticket booking system competitive chtoby samolety polupustimi ne letali potomu chto v kassah GAVSa ne kupit bileti prosto tak - shapku prosyat

[Lamer]

aaaa nashet telekoma ya neznal chto prodayut i chto on bil razdroblen. a komu to prodali? a te filiali bili nezavisimi? koncehno tolku ne budet sovsem esli prodali chast kompanii sinu gen. directora Telekoma. u know what i mean. cho to ya sovsem ne slihal o novih providerah lineynoy tel. svyazi.

nashet GAVS, nado sdelat booking online ili po telefonu tipa avto-devushka podskazivaet: to book ticket press "1"... blah blah. ili chto nibud takoe, nu koroche sdelat nezavisimim ot kakih libo kassirov. Jal chto u nas malo kto polzuetsya bankovskim shetom ili ccardom :( no v nashem sluchaye mojno tipa book sdelal, pozvonil chtobi confirm i zaplatil pri delivery ili sam poshel v opred. mesto i zaplatil. konechno mojno sporit chto vse eto privedet k zavisheniyu ceni bileta, no vse ravno lyudi je gotovi kupit bilet za "extra" costs.

a voshe u nas malo kto ponimaet chto takoe competition, po krayeny mere te kotoriye oblujivayut vnutrenniy rinok. jivut segodnyashnim dnem. "harvesting" strategy and no long term aim.

a kakoy u nas samiy takoy competetive sphere po zapadnim ponyatiyam? stavlyu na ISPs kotoriye v Tashkente.

[Freestyler]

Nu ti so svoim kleymom ob "unreal" things postavil krest na vsyom samom vajnom. Tut daleko ne uyedesh'.

[buhorogi]

Mybe it is also "unreal", no ya dumayu bilo bi klassno privatizirovat' UZTELERADIO, i drugiye sredstva massovoy informatsii. Tut i dengi, i kachestvo i politicheskoye luchsheniye situatsii.
Soglasites Televideniye ochen daje promising industry.

buhorogi

[Freestyler]

OCHEN' OHOTNO SOGLASHUS'!

Televideniye i voobshe vse SMI nado privatizirovat' ne tol'ko rukovodstvuyas' celyu pooshreniya konkurencii (kak naiboleye effektivnogo i spravedlivogo mehanizma raspredeleniya resursov), no takje po soobrajeniyam ideologicheskim - svoboda i nezavisimost' chetvyortoy vlasti.

Odnako boyus' i etot sektor otnositsya k "unreal"? Kakoy totalitarniy rejim zahochet delit'sya vlastyu? Ne tut-to bilo.

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Freestyler (May 31, 2002 07:19):
OCHEN' OHOTNO SOGLASHUS'!

Televideniye i voobshe vse SMI nado privatizirovat' ne tol'ko rukovodstvuyas' celyu pooshreniya konkurencii (kak naiboleye effektivnogo i spravedlivogo mehanizma raspredeleniya resursov), no takje po soobrajeniyam ideologicheskim - svoboda i nezavisimost' chetvyortoy vlasti.

Odnako boyus' i etot sektor otnositsya k "unreal"? Kakoy totalitarniy rejim zahochet delit'sya vlastyu? Ne tut-to bilo.

Nea little bit "unreal", tut krome ekonomicheskih aspektov eshe est i politicheskie. Mne eshe odin podskazali: AK "Uzstroymateriali". V principe vse kompanii proizvodyashie stroymaterialy mogut prosto bit independent. I have 2 more days to make a list :)

[KrokoBAZUKA]

Lamer (May 31, 2002 05:30):
aaaa nashet telekoma ya neznal chto prodayut i chto on bil razdroblen. a komu to prodali? a te filiali bili nezavisimi? koncehno tolku ne budet sovsem esli prodali chast kompanii sinu gen. directora Telekoma. u know what i mean. cho to ya sovsem ne slihal o novih providerah lineynoy tel. svyazi.

a kakoy u nas samiy takoy competetive sphere po zapadnim ponyatiyam? stavlyu na ISPs kotoriye v Tashkente.

Part 1
telecom prodayut nemcam. Poetomu ego snova razukrupnili t.e. slili vse chasti voedino. 51% akciy hotyat prodat

Part 2
The most competitive is cell provider market.
The ISP ne mojet bit as much competitive because of the UzPAK monopoly. Hotya uje uzpak ne monopolist, segodnya cherez naytov ili sarkor mojno viyti v net, shema takova

provider - sarkor - uzpak (filtering) - sarkor - internet

I think Sarkor's line is even cheaper

[hehehe]

Tourism industry definitely needs demonopolization, if it is still holding tight grips on the industry. Or is there political obstacle to it too?

[KrokoBAZUKA]

hehehe (May 31, 2002 20:33):
Tourism industry definitely needs demonopolization, if it is still holding tight grips on the industry. Or is there political obstacle to it too?

It's a good idea. But plz elaborate - what is the current main problem in the tourism industry and what should be done? Should AK "Uzbekturizm" be gone? I am not much familiar with the industry

[hehehe]

I don't know much about Tourism industry either. But from what I have heard, it's a pain in the ass to get a license to operate a tour firm. For example, one of my friends wanted to start a travel agency, and he had two choices: Do a lot of paperwork and wait for six month and still not be sure if he gets the license, OR pay $1000 or smth like that and get it within a week. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I heard. Tour firms are only a tiny part of tourism industry.

Now, regarding Uzbektourism, I don't think Uzbektourism should go because they have the established relationships with many foreign companies. I think what needs to be done is the shift of focus in Uzbektourism from trying to be all things to all tourists to one of a promoter and facilitator of the industry, not that of an overseer. Or we could use the U.S. model of hospitality industry. In America, as you might know, there are convention centers in every major cities. Convention centers' role is to attract visitors to its area of concern. They do it through trade shows, advertising, etc. But they don't provide the services themselves. Instead, the hotels, travel agencies, and other interested parties, have a profit sharing structure where they negotiate how much goes to each parties. However, convention centers usually bring mostly business visitors, who are basic customers of high-end hotels and related services. Convention centers are usually owned by the cities, not the state or federal gov-t.

How could convention centers work in Uzbekistan? They could start off by letting it go. What I mean is the old direction of the Uzbekistani tourism still exist: it is usually all about our great ol' past and our great ol' buildings; add to it our delicious food. That's it, nothing else is ever promoted. As a result, majority of the tourists are people in their 50's and up. But people who are only interested in old bricks and ponds don't wanna spend much money in the country. How much would they spend doing sightseeing plus the hotels? Not a whole lot, right? So think we need to find ways to attract younger age groups who would be willing to spend. But for that we need to improve the infrastructure as well as provide services at a high quality. But who is gonna build the infrastructure? Same ol' gov't? I think if allowed more freedom, the market will lead to better infrastructure by reinvesting the returns it gets from business.

As I said earlier, I don't have detailed knowledge of tourism industry in Uzbekistan. And you know, it's kinda hard to get info about it on the net. However, one thing is clear: Only emphasizing our buldings and food is not enough to get people to our country; we should look for ways to make places in uzb destinations with all the amenities, parks, etc. That's my whole point. hehehe

[Bonik]

Completely agree with GAVS idea :)

[Lamer]

what was ur final list Kroka?

I'll kick ur butt in AOK:TC }>

[Freestyler]

AFAIK, Uzbektourism holds control over the tourism market in Uzbekistan. At the same time there are a number of private tourist agencies as well as private B&B that operate quite successfully in the market (all of them are SMEs, which is good for lower market concentration but bad for mass-marketing). I also believe they are much more cost-efficient than the UzbekTourism and provide far better services.

UzbekTourism is like UzPAK: it has a monopoly power over the liaison with the outer market. It has all the connections and it is authorised to give licences to private firms - the right which I heard it abuses too much for its own benefit.

So I think a good idea would be not necessarily to get rid of the company, but to curb its absolute market power denying it the ability to put entry barriers to new firms. This would hopefully ensure level playing grounds for competition in the industry, which will then ensure the following three crucial targets:
* The creation of a competitive industry
* Cost-efficiency
* Allocative efficiency
* Better services and customer satisfaction


The idea of attracting younger generation of tourists I believe is doomed to failure. We don't need to specialise on things we don't have comparative advantage in. No matter how hard you struggle to attract them, the more extravagant people will never abandon the beaches of Ibiza or Canaries for the sake of the unbearably hot summers and the deserts of Uzbekistan.
However, this being said, I believe improving the infrastructure will result in the growing of the traditional market, which I think has not been exploited even to the half of its potential.

[Umka]

Assalam aleykum

Kroka how about recycling industry?
someone i knew wanted to start a recycling business once and was stopped
think one of the reasons was that garbage all belongs to government or somethig like that

so look into garbage if you have data

good luck

[KrokoBAZUKA]

I have completed waste management analysis...
want a copy? :)

[blah blah blah]

davay, yesli ne jalko :)

[Tank]

1) Avtodor - krupnaya monopoliya kotoruyu mojno dovolno bistro restrukturizirovat

Kakim je eto sposobom ne snizivli poshliny na vazimie avto? Ne dumau chto krome Daewoo kto to eshe saglasitsa otkrit filial ili chto-to podobnoe pokrainemere v dani moment. Avto proizvodstvo ostanetsa monopoliei eshe po krainimere next 20 years, a vot Avtomarket hatya kakoi y nas avto market krome Daewoo, Vaza i starix inamarok.

peace

[KrokoBAZUKA]

blah blah blah (Jun 07, 2002 10:30):
davay, yesli ne jalko :)

beri :)

(predlojenie vashe to bylo umke :)

[KrokoBAZUKA]

vasheta tankist el-avto ya govoril o stroitelstve dorog kogda skazal avtodor, uzdeu eto UZAVTOPROM

[Delf]

Kroka, I am not sure your Committee will be able to, but I would suggest to demonopolize one of the major monopolies in Uzbekistan (if not the biggest) - Ministry of Foreign Economic Relations.
I am not sure to what extend this body controls foreign trade, but I beleive it does extensively.

I belive it's sole role should be regulations, not buying/selling goods and services.

COTTON is in hands of this organ of state, as well as other high-profit foreign trade.

Again, I am not well-informed about the role of this Ministry, so I cannot propose something concrete.

Regards
Delf

[Delf]

Site of Ministry of Foreign Economic Activities:
www.mfer.uz

[Umka]

davai e-mail znaesh
waiting sbrasivay
esli che na rabotu pozvoni ili na rabochiy e-mail sbros

[Umka]

Delf read the Memorandum
( yeah the same one where they talk about convertasiya)

they were (are still? hope so) going to make cotton trade only 50% governmental - let's see how new crop would be sold ....

[vosik]

Transportation companies should be privatized. Public transportation in first place.
I would recommend to have less controls over education sphere,
Someone said tourism - completely agree!
Wider cooperation of research institutes, universities and businesses to create new ideas and products which can be sold