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PrinceUK

08-22-2002, 11:56 AM

Assalomu Alaykum UMIDchilar!!!
Mani bir savol qiziqtiradi man kup umidchilar bilan gaplashdim ularning kupchiligida bitta fikr eee Uzbekistonga qaytmayman u erda xayot yomon ogir balo battar...... ammo davlat sizni eng iqtidorli yoshlar sifatida saralab oldi shunday ekan siz qaytishingiz Davlatimiz Ishonchini oqlashingiz shart ... bilaman umid qoidalariga kura sizlar uzbekistonda ishlab berishingiz kerak ammo uziz uylang nima uchun shunday qonun ishga tushdi ?? sababi oddiy chunki umidchilar qaytmadi ..... qaytgisi yoq
lekin bir narsani tushuning UMIDchialr sizlarga butun Uzbekistan kerak bulsa butun xalq ishonadi sizlarni bir UMID sifatida chetga yuborar ekan sizlare uni oqlashingiz kerak va shart!!!
Prince
London

Bonik

08-22-2002, 11:41 PM

Во первых если б не государственные деньги многие бы Умидовцы никогда бы не смогли обучаться зарубежом. Это факт... Так только хотя бы за это надо отработать для государства... :(

By the way, not a lot of umidies prefer not to come back... me and my navy all came back from long sea fares and work for Uzbekistan now :)

Navy ruleZZZ !

Punk

08-23-2002, 12:06 AM

Yeaah!!! :shock:

whatever

08-24-2002, 12:34 AM

stremno

Musopir

08-26-2002, 09:11 AM

Albatta Umid puliga oqiganlar O'zbekistonga qaytib bir necha yil ishlashi shart, ammo undan keyin nima? Bazi Umidchilar oz kelajaklarini Ozbekiston bilan boglashni istamagani faqatgina osha yoshlarni aybimi?
Bu koproq davlatni, qolaversa osha erdagi kopchilik insonlarni aybi.
Mana sizga misol: Bir payitlar men ham chet elda muofoqiyatli oqib (Kstati, Ozbekiston puliga emas) vatanimga qaytgandim.
Buni qarang-ki Ozbeklar Ozbekistonda halqaro tashkilotlardan valyutada ish haqi olishga haqi yoq ekan, yani unday daromadni davlat (B.S.) kusida almashtirib olar ekan. Yani davlat ozidan ozi topgan pulingni yarimidan kopini lop etib olib qoyar ekanda, qolganidan yana londa londa soliq olar ekan. Osha jinnicha qonunlarni chiqarib qoygan "kattalarni" million million $ qaerdan kelishi bilan hech kimni ishi bolmas ekan.
Hop man bitta umrimni kim uchun yashashim kerak? Oyla, bola-chaqam uchunmi, yoki "ghodayib qolganlarni" boqish uchunmi.
Eplagan yahshi yashayapti deysizmi? Eplaganlarni asosan qismi - oghri. Qogozdagi oyligini koring-da, uni harajatlarini hisoblab koring ishonmasangiz.
Kochaga chiqganimda bolgan bomagan narsagayam GAI tohtataverardi.
Hammasi deb bolmaydi, lekin ichida nomardlari shunaqangi kop...Bazan birhillariga qarab - Mana shu meni vatandishim boldiyu...-deb oylab achinib qolasan kishi. Ohirgi tiyningni nohaq tortib olishga tayor.
Qarasang butun jamiyat - Self-Destruction Rejimida ishlayotganga ohshaydi.
Porahorlik maktablarni ichigachan singib ketgan. Qani kelajak? Qani Umid?
Kurashish kerakmi? Kurashsang biron yarimta guruh insonlar bilan kurashishing mumkin, lekin butun jamiyat buzuq sistemada yashashga konikib, barchani ongi buzulib boryatgan bolsa nima qilasan? Ahir butun jamiyat bilan kurashmaysan-ku...
Men navfrat insoni emasman, hech kimdan navfratlanmayman ham, unga haqim ham yoq. Osha porahor GAI, domla, yoki biron hodimni korsam, ochighi ularga rahmim keladi - uch-tort som pulga ozi otirgan shohini kesib otiribti. Bir kuni ularni ozi, yoki farzandlari bari-bir osha pastdagi, ozlarii turtkilab, ezayotgan insonlar orasiga tushib qoladi-ku...
Albatta urush janjal, revolyuciya bilan ish bitmaydi baribir, USSR-ga qarang. Hayot toghri yonalish olishi uchun Halqni ongi etilishi lozim. Osha ong etilmoqdami? Aksincha, unday ong shu payitgacha, afsuski faqat minusga urmoqda, bazan qorqib ketasan kishi. Bu quruq fikirlar emas, hayotni ozi kundan kunga buni isbotlab bormoqda, qashshoqlik, qiyinchilik, achinib yighlasang arziydi. Qani Umid? Qani Ishonch?
Chetda yurib ham eshitaverasan, achinaverasan.
Mana qarang, bozorlar qisqartirilyotgan emish Ozbekistonda. Bochora, nochor insonlarni kopisi uch-tort som tirikchiligini bir amallab bozorda sudrab yurgan edi. Endi bolsa Boyvochalar Supermarket qurib olib osha bechoralarni ham nonini tortib olishga tushgan.
Men boy insonlarni kora olmaydigan bola emasman. Jamiyat boy insonlarsiz bir tiyinga qimmat. Lekin bizni boy insonlarimiz boylik tortib olishdan - boylik yaratish yoliga otarmikan qachondir?
Qani Umid? Qani Ishonch?
Umidchilarga Ozbekistonda yasha deb doq urgandan kora, osha "Ozbekistonni tozaroq, insonparvarroq mamlakat bolishi uchun - Men nima ish qildim?" - deb ozingizdan sorang. Umidchilar mayli osha 5 yilini kopisi osha erda yashar, hop undan keyin qoladimi? Albatta Umidchilar oz-ozidan osmondan tushgan oy emas, lekin gap faqat ular ustida emas...

08-26-2002, 11:15 AM

aha,
misapir seni fikringa 100 qushilaman...

PrinceUk

08-27-2002, 06:19 AM

Tugri fikr lekin man etmoqchi bulgan narsa shundan iboratki tugri mayli 5 yil ishlab qaytsin lekin unda vatan degan narsa xar doim shunday qolaveradimi ?? uni yomon yomon deganiz bilan uni kimdur kelib yaxshi yoki uzidan uzi yaxshi bulib qolmaydiku ahir tugrimi ??? man etmoqchi bugan narsa endi bu narsani yaxshi qilish uchun oz moz qurbonlar xam kerak buladi lekin etmoqchi masman siz Qurbon buling deb ... lekin siz bilan biz xarakat qilishimiz kerak mayli biz kurmasakda bolllarimiz kursin biz shu bilan kurashaylik .. undan keyin tag tomiri bilan yoq qilaylik undan keyin asta asta yaxshilik sari boraveradi shunday emasmi ??
kechirasizku siz qochsangiz man qochsan unda kim qolib uni rivojlantiradi ?Anglichanlarmi ?? yo Qozoqlar???xech kim :(
shunday ekan qochishni xam foydasi yoq aslo!!

Sosed

08-27-2002, 08:21 AM

Prince:

ты Умидовец?
если да то сколько проработал и где, что оптимизм так и цветет и пахнет?
если нет, пробовал ли поработать сначала в каком либо министерстве или ведомстве (узколхозстрой, или узавтойул...) 3-4 года, чтобы что-то решать и воплощать в жизнь? за 25 000 сум в месяц?

а сам ты что сделал для воплощения своих идей?

nothing personal and offensive, it is just a remark that ideas may rule the world but somtimes it goes wrong...

Sosed

08-27-2002, 08:21 AM

Borivoy

08-27-2002, 09:40 PM

Druzya, horosh sporit' "Chto ty sdelal... Chto ty sam sdelal..." Nefiga nikto iz vas, to est' iz nas ne sdelaet. Itoricheskie predposylki eshe ne sozreli.

PrinceUK

08-29-2002, 11:07 AM

BOSS

09-11-2002, 06:16 AM

PrinceUK, sizga qarshi emasman. Lekin siz aytayotgan "UMID"chilar ham chet elga chiqishlaridan oldin huddi sizdek "Patriot" edilar, bunga sabab UZBda qayoqqa qaramang yangiliklar bir hil, yani biz farovonlikka ketayapmiz yoki shunga uhshash... Keyin Chet elga chiqasiz (u yirda hayotni oson deb uylamang) bazi savollar bilan uzingiz bilmagan holda shug'ullanasiz. UZBga qaytganingizda (albatta katta niyatlar bilan, ota-ona, qarindosh, tanishlarni kurishdan hursand holda) muammolar Aeroportdan boshlanadi. Chet elga uchib kelgan kuningizda bunaqa kup tekshiruv bulmagan ammo uzingizni vataningizda sizni shunaqa tekshiradiki, huddi siz u yirda begonadek. Sal boshqacha (chet elda sotib olgan) sumka, yoki kiyimingiz bilan metroga kirsangiz, yoki kuchada yursangiz miliziya hodimlarini kuziga tashlanib suroq qilinasiz, tushunmaganlariga Prezident fondidan chet elda uqiyman desangiz Passportingiz qaytarib beradi, bazilari esa nega propiskang yuq razbor qilishadi (maqsadi ozroq kunligini sizdan undirish)...
Vatanim uchun biron narsa qilaman deb borganlar ham 1-kundan eski ahvol bizada qanaqaligi tug'risidan dars olishadi, bu bilan hamma UMIDlaringiz puch buladi. Nima qilish kerak??? Pora ($) katta rol uynaydigan davlatda faqat pora bilan Katta bulasan degan hulosaga kelasiz. Porani ($) esa chet elda ishlab kelish kerak.
Inson uzini tug'ilib usgan joyida uzini begona his qilsa, uzini havfli his qilsa qolayotgan birdan bir yul boshqa davlatga chiqib ketish...
Bu bilan qolib ketayotganlar kup demoqchi emasman, lekin mana shu narsani boshidan kechirgan inson doim uylab kuradi "chet qolganim yaxshi emasmidi" deb.

Prince

09-11-2002, 09:15 AM

Assalomu Alaykum Kotta raxmat bu xaqida fikr bildirganizga !!!
Boss sizning ohirgi maqolangizni uqidim , umuuman olganda gapingizni notugri deya olmayman lekin malum darajada xato xamdur. siz umumiy qilib gapirdingiz ,,lekin insonni uziga bogliq . Etmoqchimanki agar insonda vatan tuygusi bulsa agar insonda vatan tuygusi xar narsadan ustun bulsa u Odamlarning $ lariga xam umuman xech nimaga qaramaydi . Chet elga chiqib kelish masalasiga kelsak ! Shaxsan mening fikrim yaxshi tamonga uzgardi : Hudo hohlasa Ozbekistonga qaytib undan xam yaxshi rivojlantirish , qulimdan kelganicha yaxshi tomonga siljitish . lekin achchiq bulsada xaqiqatni aytish kerak bu erga kelib Ozbekistonni qanday axvoldagiligi tushundim , lekin nima bulganda xam Ozbekiston mening vatanim va men uning taraqqiyoti uchun yonib yashashim kerak!!
Davlatimizdagi Tekshir Tekshirga kelsak bu tabiy narsa deb hisoblayvering lekin bu tabiy narsani tezroq yoq qilish kerak !!! Iloji boricha tezroq tabiy deyatganimmi sababi shundagi Bu narsa usha UKda xam USA tarihida xam umuman xar bir davlat tarihida kuzatilgan !!
UMIDchi bulgan va qolgan fidoyi yoshlar KUZIZNI ochinglar eski qolgan Tuzum yulidan emas aksincha usha tahsil olgan mamlakatlaringiz , usha bilimlar bilan yangi bir kirishlar yangi bir qarashlar bilan Davlatimizga biror bir engilik kiritib uning kelajagi uchun fidoyi bulinglar !!!
Mulhazalaringizni kutaman
Prince

elDoraDo

10-03-2002, 03:23 PM

hmda..... bir hillarida man ham sandaka sodda bo'p qogim keladi...

Tank

10-04-2002, 09:31 AM

I saw two umides, they got their MBAs from UTA(I belive Univesrity of Texas Arlington). One of them works in TTZ, anotherone in Avtabaza!
Ole Ole Ole
MBA rulesss!

SmIlIk

10-04-2002, 10:07 AM

PRINCE, YOU ARE RIGHT. Every Umidie knew what he/she was going for and what that would cost. Come on now people, don't give ideas like
"we had no idea about what govrn. does, blah blah blah"

I agree that the regualtions are not the best but you went for it...Have you ever thought about how or where Uzbekistan gets the money to educate you? You are complaining about the Tax and that govrn. taking half of your salary...maybe that's where your money goes? I don't know why the hell you expect the most highest expectation from the govern. where at the same time you are the highest expectaions for them. I understand that some of you may have a serious reasoning to stay in USA or in UK but most of what you want digs up to the idea of having more money and more pleasure. You really don't have to work just for the government. Keep yourself busy with some other activities. You had biggest opportunities ever. What is your major? finance?...(why didn't you study computer science, too. You would have a reasoning income if you could programming) Computer programmers, go and do your programming at home...I personally know people that got a hard time from Umid foundation, but half of them are still working for the government. Another half is planning and trying to pay back the money spent on them. At least you got your education, you BS, you got BA and MBA...what is your problem??????????????????
Please do not look for any kind of excuse, that what desperate people do, and I doubt that any of you is desperate. YOu are young and energetic. It is big time sin to complain about your situation.

BEST

Tank

10-04-2002, 07:12 PM

It's so funny both of ya not Umides! (hehe). Pochemy bi vam oboim posle okanchaniya uchebi ne vernutsa damoi na rodiny i porabotat 5 let za $50 v mesac. Kak gavaritsa Urtim dep, Halkim dep!

~best

10-04-2002, 11:04 PM

Tank: I agree

To Smilik:

First of all, when Umid students go abroad to study they may not understand the reality of current situation in Uzbekistan. Keep in mind that they are only 18-19 years old and they sincerely believe that they can change things.

Secondly, for most of them studying abroad is an eye openner. You start looking at things from a different perspective.

Thirdly, most companies in today's Uzbekistan are still headed by people with communist mentality who are quite comfortable living the way they have been living for the last 30 years. Now imagine, 23 year old graduate from some US university tells his 50 year old boss that certain things can be done differently and better. He may be right but who cares? I was in a situation when general director of a very big telecom company in Uz called me evil and a supporter of foreigners for doing my job.

Umid graduates have good education and can make decent money abroad. Now, if you have to chose between $20 a month and, say, $2,000 a month + to be able to send some money home to support your folks, what would you prefer?

SmIlIk

10-05-2002, 05:11 PM

It's so funny both of ya not Umides! (hehe). Pochemy bi vam oboim posle okanchaniya uchebi ne vernutsa damoi na rodiny i porabotat 5 let za $50 v mesac. Kak gavaritsa Urtim dep, Halkim dep!
~best

Tank, I m definetely gonna go home. You have my word for it (though neither government nor my family is paying for my education) :) By the way my brother is Umidie and he is working for the government...I guess I know more than anybody about Umidies and the policies of Umid foundation...

NP:

[B]To Smilik:

First of all, when Umid students go abroad to study they may not understand the reality of current situation in Uzbekistan. Keep in mind that they are only 18-19 years old and they sincerely believe that they can change things.

Sounds funny...don't you think so? They can surely change things but not with the same agression as their "50 year old bosses". Though most of the students have their MBAs.(I don't think that they refer to issues like 18 year olds)

Secondly, for most of them studying abroad is an eye openner. You start looking at things from a different perspective.

Agree, fresh mind is a good developer...so use it properly.

Thirdly, most companies in today's Uzbekistan are still headed by people with communist mentality who are quite comfortable living the way they have been living for the last 30 years. Now imagine, 23 year old graduate from some US university tells his 50 year old boss that certain things can be done differently and better. He may be right but who cares?

That is not an excuse at all.
There is always a second option...As I told above agression is a last thing. There are too many different ways of achieving one's aim. Try to be more friendly and cooperative...stop critisizing them, it will not change them nor your situation.

I was in a situation when general director of a very big telecom company in Uz called me evil and a supporter of foreigners for doing my job.

Ask Umid to give you another job. Tell them the reasons...even if they will get negative response from your "tentative boss" it is not going to hurt you...you are doing your best. Believe me I used to be in worse situations.

Umid graduates have good education and can make decent money abroad. Now, if you have to chose between $20 a month and, say, $2,000 a month + to be able to send some money home to support your folks, what would you prefer?

Think about who gave you that education? would you be that wise and open minded if you stayed in UZB? Of course, if Umidies think that their existence in Uzbekistan is not gonna change a thing...I don't know what to suggest but I am still urging them to work for the government at least for that time they engaged to...then it would be more reasonable to say that they "worked for the government for more than 3 years and there was nothing they could do..." (still illogical reasoning)

SmIlIk

10-05-2002, 05:43 PM

Tushuning ahir, salkam 130 yil davomida qurilgan tuzum qanday qilib 4 yilda o'zgarib qo'ladi? Hamma narsani hech kim bizlarga tayyorlab turmaydiku ahir...Unday bo'lgan taqdirda ham nolimaymiz deb ko'ringchi...

Lotus

10-05-2002, 09:55 PM

To Smilik:
Thanks for the response. I am not Umid alumni and luckily I do not owe anything to current Uzbek government.

Did you work in Uzbekistan a single day? Just want to see what your beliefs and ideas are based on.

Musofir

10-06-2002, 07:27 PM

Avvalam bor, sizning Qozoqlar ozgartiradimi degan firkingiz qalta famning fikriga oshashligini bildirmoqchiman. Ikkinchidan yangigina maisadai qaitib kelgan Umidchi besh yil ichida hech qandai ozgarish emas balki uning uzi ozgarib ketadi, yani u ham pora horga ailanadi qoladi. Sizningcha talabalarni chet elik uqishi davlat uchun qilmoqda faqat degan fikringiz bolsa, kozingizni ochingda, kottalar ush bu fond orqali necha, necha million pullarni yuvayatganini bilib oling "money laundering". Sizga bitta kichkina fakt. Hukumatning bazi opposiciay azolarini jismonan yoqotish sarf harajatlarining 15 foizi Umid fondi orqali kelishini aitishim mumkin. Afsuzki airimlarning hafsizligi tufaili sizga ismlar va bank schetlari, hamda datalarni hozircha aita olmaiman, leking ishinama vaqti kelib biz buni albatta halqa korsatamiz. Afsuz ila aitaman, balki airimlaringiz anashu paitda ushbu nom orqali tanilganingiz haqida nafrat tugdirasiz.

Bir narsangiz bilan sizga safdoshman, u ham bolsa kurashish kerak. Umidchiga keladigan bolsak, tugri qaitib borsin, lekin qaerda ishlashi ni uzi tanlashi lozim.

Etiboringiz uchun tashakur.

Prince

10-07-2002, 09:47 AM

Assalomu Alaykum XAmmaga raxmat !!
UZi bir uyladizlarmi davlat nimaga aynana "UMIDCHILARNI ZORLAB ISHGA YUBORISH"yulini tanladi ??? Nimaga? Chunki Boshida Umidchilar sekin sekin qaytib kelmaslikni keyinchalik esa umuman US/UKda qolib ketadigan bulishdi , bundan davlatga nima foyda? Umuman foyda yoq , agar xamma uz hohishi bilan qaytib kelganida edi davlat bunday qattiq choralarni kurmas edi , endi shunday ekan davlat xam qatiy choralar kurishi shart va zarur(SHAXSAN MEN XAM SHUNDAY QILAR EDIM ) !!
Shunday ekan UMIDchilar boshida qilgan ishlaringiz oqidati sifatiga hozir jazolanvossiz!! :shock: Umuman Olganda UMIDchilarga yalinadigan odam yoq agar hohlamaalar ularni zurlab xam bulmaydi , agar insofi bulsa uzi kungiladi ishni qiladi agar bulmasa unda biz xam tushkunlikka tushmaymiz! I hope that there are a lot of people who can help to UZB , and we'll our best !!
Thx

SmIlIk

10-07-2002, 10:26 AM

Musofir, e'tirozlaringiz aynan kimga qaratilgan ekanligini bilmay turibman. Agar mening izohlarimni nazarda tutayotgan bo'lsangiz, ularni yana bir marotaba o'qib chiqishingizni tavsiya etaman. "Qozoqlar" haqida nima demoqchi bo'lganingizni hech ham tushunolmay turibman...Sizning gapingizga qaraydigan bo'lsak Umnidchilar va yana boshqa talabalar qochib ketvursinde, ana o'sha necha dur ham procewntni cho'ntagiga soladiganlar qolib vatanni kulini ko'kka sovurvurishsin, to'grimi?????????????? Kechirasizku, tirnoqni tagidan kir qidirvuradigan bo'lsak, fisqi fasod va g'iybat botqoqlariga botib ketishimiz hech gap emas. Bo'lmasam Umid ham pulini to'lamasin edi siz va bizga o'hshaganlar ham o'tirvuraylik edi. O'shanda falon fiston procentlar ketmaydi deya olasizmi????????

Lotus:

Yes, I worked in Uzbekistan more than 2 years...both for government and private organizations...Most of them were NGOs.

Tank

10-07-2002, 10:40 AM

......"By the way my brother is Umidie and he is working for the government...I guess I know more than anybody about Umidies and the policies of Umid foundation"...

Well, delusions of grandeur?

SMILE

10-07-2002, 02:02 PM

TANK I DIDN"T GET YA ANd will never be able, sorry

Sp K

10-07-2002, 05:37 PM

Esli ya ne oshibaus eto v perevode oznachaet " Maniya velichiya"

SmIlIk

10-08-2002, 09:58 AM

Sp K

thank you very much for the translation.

Tank call it whatever you want...it is not gonna make any difference to the situation of the Umidies. Every one of them experiencing some kind of difficulty and there is nothing to do with me. Your "delusions of grandeur" is just a simple insult that can be addressed even to you if it is right to say...I personally would never use that phrase twoards anybody...

Sincerely,
Smile

10-08-2002, 04:35 PM

Qiziqarli ish va qualificationga yarasha oylik($1000+) bo'lishi kerak, hech bo'lmaganda 1-2yil ishlagangach oylik ko'tarilishi kerak. Afsuski ko'pincha qiziqmas ish-bekorchilik va kulgulik oylik ($20-50) :( Bu degani kishi qancha yaxshi ishlamagin baribir muhtojlikda qoladi degani. Shu sababli davlat ishida ishlash uchun qiziqish yo'q.

Boshqa tomondan, umidchining majburiyatlari bor, ularni bajarish shart. Bundan tashqari muhtojlikda yashagan odam ko'pni ko'radi, ishbilarmonroq bo'ladi :)

Lotus

10-08-2002, 09:02 PM

To Smilik:
Think about who gave you that education? would you be that wise and open minded if you stayed in UZB? Of course, if Umidies think that their existence in Uzbekistan is not gonna change a thing...I don't know what to suggest but I am still urging them to work for the government at least for that time they engaged to.

Why does it have to be government, I do not get it? If Umidies work in a private industry they are still contributing to the development of the country by paying taxes, which eventually supports the same government. In fact, from current economic standpoint it makes more sense to work in private industry.

You say you worked for mainly NGO. I did not think that NGO can be a government organization. Isn't that what the name stands for? In any case, I know people who worked for NGOs in Uzbekistan. You can not compare working for NGO like Counterpart consortium or Save the children to some kolkhoz Pervogo Maya. If you are urging Umidies to work for NGOs, I do not think they would mind.

You found it funny when I said that 18-19 year old Umidies do not understand the reality of current siuation in Uz. I strongly disagree. I was 19 when I came to study in the US. I knew that my country was in transition and I believed that people like myself can make a change. My opinion has changed, as you can see. They can make a change only if they are given freedom to make a change.

..then it would be more reasonable to say that they "worked for the government for more than 3 years and there was nothing they could do..." (still illogical reasoning)

Now imagine this situation. You are Umidie and you are working for some ministry. You work hard. In a very constructive and polite way you make your suggestions on improving this and that. Do you think your bosses will appreciate that? If they admit that you work better than they do, they may lose their jobs. In addition, 99% of people working for the government do not come to work to work. They come to work to drink tea and talk. How are you going to change them? How would you like to spend at least 3 years of your life next to people who can use computers only to play games (including your boss) and do not want to learn more? Please don't tell me that you will go to Umid fund and ask for transfer. Even if they transfer you to a different place (which they will not do because it will interrupt their tea drinking schedule) you will end up in a similar environment only with a different name.

I personally would never want to work for the government and I would not blame Umidies for not doing that. They can use their brains for better things, which will still contribute to the development of the nation. If our government officials had some brains they would have realized that by now.

SmIlIk

10-10-2002, 10:17 AM

Lotus there is no need to prove me anything I can see everything on my own. I suggest you to go over what has been posted so far. Let them work for the private organization. But the question is that; are they gonna do that?????????????????? I don't want to copy paste what I have written about their work for the government or not...

NGO stands for None Governmental Organization...Mostly tink-tanks...Well tink-tank talks for itself. Worked for Uzbek TV, worked as a secretary in couple of more places, etc. I do know how things work, if you wanted to make sure...

Another thing is that, I didn't get your agression? what is the deal????? I am telling you again there is no way you or any other peson can refute to the current problem. I am again telling you that the Agression is the last thing of all. But I would like to listen you or any other person who would give me a a good reason which could Break the DEAL with the governmental organization....

I still don't think that the age of students are imprtant...(especially if we take in to considiration that majority of Umides are MBA students)

Sincerely,

S

P.S. sorry for typos, had no time to proof read.(don't take it personal please)

Tank

10-10-2002, 10:43 AM

well, I am out of here!

P.s Vsegda legko obsujdat ne seba!

Lotus

10-10-2002, 09:38 PM

Another thing is that, I didn't get your agression? what is the deal????? I am telling you again there is no way you or any other peson can refute to the current problem. I am again telling you that the Agression is the last thing of all. But I would like to listen you or any other person who would give me a a good reason which could Break the DEAL with the governmental organization....

Smilik, you keep repeating the word "aggression" and I do not understand what you mean by that. Are you trying to tell me that Umidies who return to work in Uzbekistan get aggressive when it comes to dealing with people? Maybe, sometimes but not very often though. They are all educated people who have decent people skills. Plus, most of them are Uzbeks and "momila" is an important part of the culture.

I gave you one very good reason why I would break the deal with the government: I would not want to waste 5 years of my professional life because working in gov. organizations is not intellectually challenging.

From personal perspective: last thing I would want is to be associated with thieves and brainless, lazy workers who expect bribes for doing the work they are supposed to be doing.

I still don't think that the age of students are imprtant ...(especially if we take in to considiration that majority of Umides are MBA students)

Did I say that age is important? I only said that Umidies are normally 18-19 years old when they go abroad to study.

As far as I am concerned you can be a PhD and still be taken for nothing. Do you know that now in Uz you can see kandidatov nauk (US equivalent of PhD) cleaning houses and selling stuff in bazaars? Umidies in a way are treated just like them. Nobody "up there" cares what they can bring to the table. Actually, they are treated worse, because they make less money and have to put up with so much bullshit.

SmIlIk

10-11-2002, 10:43 AM

Lotus: :)
I gave you one very good reason why I would break the deal with the government: I would not want to waste 5 years of my professional life because working in gov. organizations is not intellectually challenging.

Then why did you make that deal if you knew that you are gonna be out of it??????????????????????????????????????

NO COMMENTS...Tank I would like to here something from you if you are an Umidie :)

Love ya All

cron

10-11-2002, 02:45 PM

Tank dostin UTA amini ebkoptide a?:)blyagovoril ya emu qizib Usda otirgin dep keginrok borardi betti ishini kivogandan keyin Uzbga Uzbekistan Rock;s:)

Tank

10-12-2002, 08:48 PM

well, cron it's all about Umid! Umid spent $60.000 for each, time to pay back.

P.s MBA ruless

Svoy

10-14-2002, 01:27 PM

All I want to say that hundrends will not change the life of millions, If majority of people are afraid to speak up or actually do somehting.
I am in two year college and I am paying for myself. I came back Uzb these summer and I it was much more worse than I have expected. I do not blame those who do not want to come back. Because if you get what you earn and you treated equal, you feel yourself as human being.
Ya nehochu skazat' chto u menya dusha za Uzb ne bolit, ya hochu skazat' chto vse lyudi kto proveli nekotoroe vremya zagranitsey oni znayut sebe tsenu. Mnogie immigranti ochen' sostayatel'nie ludi ,daje po Ameirikanskim merkam. Ya dumayu chto eto toje samoe i v drugih stranah. Ya nadeyus' mojet cherez neskol'ko desyatkov let vse te kto jivut zagranitsey sobirut'sya i nechnut delat' peremeni, meyat' zakoni i voobshe vsyu sestemu. No eto tol'ko mechti.
Da, mechtat' ne vredno.

Salomat buling.

SmIlIk

10-14-2002, 01:46 PM

:) I have nothing against Umidies and about their choice...Just wanted to be an argument for your counter args. :) Be critical to yourself, try to arm yourself with the reasonable refutations :)

LOVE YA ALL

Delta

10-14-2002, 09:43 PM

everyone has his own choice, so be it.

Do You Guys think any Smart Person or Umidie would mess with this topic?
As he knows any of his moves can be used against him or there will be more
competitors on his way.
This topic will go nowhere.

tank 60.000$ :D are you drunk dude ?

Tank

10-15-2002, 12:26 AM

to Delta, MBA $22.000 v god, umnajai na 2 goda! Plus $800-1000(vzavisimosti ot state) v mesac stependiya, plus 400-600 na knigi, bilet tyda i obratno dva raza. Teper chitai Enshtain!

Delta

10-16-2002, 04:41 PM

oh .. if you were talking about yourself ....then sorry.
because i remember "somebody's" saying 50.000$ for anyone,
no matter what.
tank i heard uta state university is around 1.500$ per semester for Bachelors ...do you know anything about that?

Tank

10-17-2002, 10:11 AM

well, UTA is University of Texas Arlington, may u r taking about Utah State University completly different state.
As about me I am at Washington, DC.

Delta

10-17-2002, 01:20 PM

Tankajon chukunarli :)

10-17-2002, 03:47 PM

Nima bo'lgan taqdirda
O'zbekiston ahli sizlarga ishonadi va kutadi

Delta

10-17-2002, 11:10 PM

ozbeni uzi qiziq uzidanam gapi qiziq :D

Katie

10-18-2002, 04:38 AM

Hi guys
It's first time I come across such a good discussion on this subject matter.
I am not Umidie and I don't want to be. Because I prefer to be independent and do whatever i think its suitable for me. the problem with umidies as we think it is that they owe money from the government and should come back to Uzb in order to pay off. OK that is not bad idea but their parents, family and so on contributed so much to the government which enabled govt to pay their children's fees let's not forget this as well. therefore it is not approprite to pick students who decided to stay in UK/US or any country and try their luck. I personally believe that these students can, may be will add their contribution to improve Uzb no matter where they live. For instance thier success in abroad could indicate Uzbeks are as good as British or American businessmen and in future this may help to attract investment etc.
Lastly its better to consider current economic, political and social policies which makes it difficult to start your own business after finishing university or return home from abroad.

noodles

10-18-2002, 06:12 AM

Actually, the problem is not in paying off the money to the govrnment, they were send abroad in order to get well-qualified and caome back to work here and develop the country.

Next, am almost sure that Umidies won't come back till there'is a guaranty that they'll work in a field of their own specialization and for a good money as they deserve.

So, it's up to them, if they cope with it why not to stay there and liveas they want. It depends on themselves.

Obviously, it's not the fault of the students that they're not coming back but the government, it would have been alright if the Government has opened some sub-divisions of foreign Universities here in Uzbekistan in the beginning, there'll be no problem right now.

Anyway, have a luck all

neznayka

10-19-2002, 05:49 PM

Ok, Smilik, why didn't you try to finance your study through Umid?
Then you'd be able to make sure in what the all guys said above.
It's always easy to judge the others :)

SmIlIk

10-21-2002, 01:46 PM

NEZNAYKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that would be great :)

ne prishlos'bi pahat' vo vremya uchebi chtobi cent za cent plotit' za neye :)

Tank

10-22-2002, 09:51 AM

Ok, Smilik, why didn't you try to finance your study through Umid?
Then you'd be able to make sure in what the all guys said above.
[color=#0064ff]It's always easy to judge the others :)[/colo

Was that me who said that?

ko'shni

10-24-2002, 12:33 PM

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cizlarga nima bo'ldi o'zi?

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cron{pm}

10-24-2002, 07:31 PM

HAMMEN KOCHOK SANLA UMIDCHILA !UZBEKISTON ROCK"S KAYTLARIN UYGA BIZA BETTAN GREV KIPTURAMIZ!

Ice_Cool

11-21-2002, 10:11 AM

that's right (by the way what r u guys talking about?) :rolleyes:

BigN

11-23-2002, 12:53 PM

Agar sizlar chet elda bo'lganilada bunaqa demasdilar!

Lekin ma'lum vaqtdan keyin hamma vataniga qaytadi yoki qaytishga harakat qiladi.

Bon_Marche

12-15-2002, 04:47 AM

Prince, ti okazivaetsya eshyo molodoy, i eshyo okazivaetsya ne ponimaesh, chto shas proishodit tam v Uzbekistane,
vot ti govorish chto nado postroit budushee Uzbekistana, a ti podumal kak eto sdelat, ili hotya bi vozmojno ili eto voobshe, moyo mnenie, eto nikak nevozmojno izmenit chto libo shas v dannoe vremya, kogda glavoy Uzbekistana vsyo eshyo schitaetsya I.A.Karimov.
Ti uje doljen znat chto etot nash prezident, on razvorovivaet svoyo je gosudarstvo, svoy narod, kotoriy veril v nego, kotoriy nadeyalsya na nego. On uje stol`kih pogubil, chto shas kto mojet pozvolit sebe, tot uezjaet iz strani, tam uje delat nechego. NETU BUDUSHEGO.
Eto vsyo glupo, to chto on posilaet studentov zarubej uchitsya, posle etogo [B]zastavlyaet, rabotat na gosudarstvo za mizernuyu nichtojnuyu zarplatu, razve radi etogo oni, Umidovtsi uchilis v prestijnih universitetah, chto bi potom rabotat gde to tam vnizu.
Moyo mnenie, pust eti studenti-umidovtsi reshayut sami vozvrashatsya nazad ili net, i ne nado ih zvat nazad, i esli oni ne hotyat, znachit oni reshili inoy obraz jizni.

12-25-2002, 03:07 PM

To Bon_Marche
...ne ponimaesh, chto shas proishodit tam v Uzbekistane, vot ti govorish chto nado postroit budushee Uzbekistana, a ti podumal kak eto sdelat, ili hotya bi vozmojno ili eto voobshe, moyo mnenie, eto nikak nevozmojno izmenit chto libo shas v dannoe vremya...

Во первыx, если ты всерьёз думал над этими вопросами и пришел к такому мнению, это не делает тебе никакой чести. Оставь дело, на которое ты нашел себя не способным, другим, пусть и молодым, но тем кто умнее, сильнее, способнее и настойчивее тебя. Если ты человек серьёзныи держи своё такое мненине при себе. Критика полезна, когда она продуктивна. Как говорится "Тот кто xочет и может что то сделать найдет 1000 способов решения, тот кто не xочет и (или) не может - найдет 1000 оправданий".

...on razvorovivaet svoyo je gosudarstvo, svoy narod....

Во вторыx, это аморально писать такие необоснованные заявления в лист. человек делаюший это даже в аффективном состоянии не является полносенным, и не достоин уважения. Я призываю тебя обдумывать мнения, которые ты высказываешь, тем более письменно.

Odil R.

12-26-2002, 09:20 PM

Several things.

You don't need to be physically present in Uzbekistan to be useful to it. If whatever you do outside Uzbekistan even slightly contributes to your country's development, that is fine.

It is good that the government gave you a chance. Now it is up to you to use it. What I mean is you should unite into an independent organization, the main objective of which should be sharing experience, helping each other in many ways, including with career promotion if anyone becomes a big cheese. The organization should unite people with the same thinking making it a foundation, a locomotive for changes in the government and country. By working for the government, you lay a foundation for your career growth in the future. The organization should be a driving force, a political engine to advance with reforms.

If you find a much better job outside, it is fine, because if you think that your new job will require your skills and knowledge, the government should only be happy for you - you won't lose that by working for government entities that irrelevant to your field of study. But if the government puts you where they need your contribution and helps you grow in that environment, it will be good for them - they won't loose you.

But in the end, I think, most of you will show up sooner or later even if you are gone - deep in your heart many of us want to help OUR country, not somebody else's.

One piece of advice. Even if you fail to have such an organization, never ignore your Umidie or ACCELS fellows whenever they need your help - because these are the people who understand you better and who can be a great input to your team.

guest

12-27-2002, 08:42 AM

A nekotorim neumidovtcam-nelegalam, bol'she nechevo skazat'? Sami visyat na voloske, v lyubuyu minutu mogut poluchit' pinok pod zad, i deportirovatsya k chertovoy materi. Umidovcam Umid, a vam INS.

user

12-29-2002, 02:30 AM

guest do chego je ti tupoy,
vot do chego dovodit tvoyo samouverennost, ti cho ne ponimaesh cho shas proishodit c strane, esli net , to zaydi na www.centrasia.ru ,
ti govorish chto mojno dobitsya chego to v uzbekistane, i est 1000 sposobov, tak privedi mne hot` odin sposob,
ti hotya bi podumal pered tem kak skazat eto.
ti sam hotya bi chego to dobilsya?
i naschyot prezidenta, ti govorish chto ya ne prav naschyot togo chto on ne grabit svoy narod, tak pochemu je on zakril bazari, i posle etogo kak lyudi nachali ezdit v Kazakhstan i v Kirgizstan za veshami, pochemu je on zakril granitsi, kak ti eto ob`yasnish?
tak chto esli ti vsego etogo ne znaesh, priderji svoyo mnenie pri sebe i ne umnichay.
i naschyot teh, kto shas zdes v usa, neumidovtsi, oni ponyali chto tam v uzbekistane uje delat nechego, chto netu budushego, poetomu oni hot` kak to starayutsya dobitsya chego libo v strane gde est vozmojnost, gde tebya nikto ne trogaet, gde nikto tebya ne pitaet, i tak dalee.
tak chto esli ti vsego etogo ne znaesh , ti lutshe pomolchi.

Prince

12-30-2002, 12:39 PM

Faqat Mard odam orqaga qaytadi Ok?

SayFuLLoH

12-31-2002, 02:02 AM

Kak vam ne stidno,govorit pro svoyo rodinu takoe a?

Desperado

12-31-2002, 05:41 AM

Umidies have to ga back to Uzb to do what? u would better ask this umidees home how they r, and why some of them leaving for other countries again.

Muhammad

01-03-2003, 09:52 AM

Assalomu alaykum Forum ishtiroqchilari!!
Birinchidan man umidchi emasman .. chunki xali yoshman lekin kelajakda umidchi bulish niyatim yoq emas .. lekin gap pulda emas 25000sum olasizmi 1000&#163; olasizmi eng assosiysi vatan uchun vatan ravnaqi uchun yashaysiz tushunvossizmi ?? ahir kimdur qurishi kerakku kimdur shu uzbekistonni rivojlantirishi kerakku tugrimi ?siz ketsangiz man ketsam unda kim uni rivojlantiradi ?? urislami??
Manimcha pulni vatan tuygusidan ustun quyish yaxshi emas manimcha unday odamlarda vatan tuygusi degan narsani uzi bulmasa kerak ..
Keling undan kura xammamiz birgalikda ishlaylik rivojlantiraylik...
xammasiga qurbimiz etadi lekin unga odam kerak odamlarni egishimiz kerak ... tushunvossizmi? asosan yoshlarni
Agar egilib birgalashadigan bulsangiz man suz beraman xamma yomon illatlarni yoq qilamiza...
Prince

Hurmatli Prince, siz shuncha vatanparvarlik tuyg'usi to'g'risida gapirar ekansiz, UMIDchilar vataniga qaytib ishlab berishini istar ekansiz, lekin o'zingizni CMU-dan olib turadigan habarlaringiz to'g'risida hech ham aytib o'tmadingiz. Umuman olib qaraganda, sizning vaziyatingiz bundan ham jiddiyroqqa o'hshaydi: qaytib kelmaslik - bitta narsa, lekin vatanning pullari hisobiga o'z turmushini qurib, natijada boshqa mamlakatga ishlash - bu boshqa narsa. Siz bu masalaga qanday qaraysiz?

SmIlIk

01-24-2003, 05:39 PM

Haliyam eski hammom eski tosmi?
:) Umid, Umid, Umid....... jonilarga tegmadimi a?:)

SayFuLLoH

01-24-2003, 10:32 PM

Kaytishida ti podajdi,shas oni dengi delayot shtob rasshitatca s Nashim Gosudarstvom!:-))

Kak soberut nujnuyo summu srazu,vernutca!

Gladiator

02-01-2003, 02:34 AM

Prince ,hali yosh bolsang kerak. bir san ham yashap korgin keyin bilasan nega umidchilar qaytishni xoxlamaganligini......

bazan man ham sanga oxshap sodda olagim keladi......................

Prince

02-16-2003, 12:17 AM

Prince - javob berad:
Qaysi tilda yozi ? Russ/English/Uzb?
Mayli uzb da xamma tushunsinadi!!
Birinchidan Umid-chi qaytadimi qaytmidimi , u uzini ishi , Mani ishim emas!
mayli faras qilamiza uni uz erkinligi bor xammasini uzi xal qilish huquqiga ega , mayli Man xam shunga qushilaman lekin , Uzbekiston ularga nech pul $USD ishlatgan ? shularni hisoblaymizade keyin ularni quliga qogozni beramiza , agar $ ni tulasa bemalol dalshe yurursin agar tulamasa "shartta qaytib kelib " UZBda ishlasin
gotcha?

MUHLIS

02-19-2003, 03:37 PM

KAYTMASA KAYTMAS!
NIMA BOYNIDAN SUDRAB OLIB KELASIZLARMI ENDI, KAYTMASA???
BOYNIDANBOYLANGAN IT OVGA YARAMAS DEYISHGAN!
ULAR KAYTIB KELIB OLAMSHUMUL OZGARISHLAR KILISHIGA SHAHSAN MEN ISHONMAYMAN!
HULLAS ULARNI OZ HOLIGA KOYISH KERAK!

Prince

02-20-2003, 02:59 AM

Nea tak ne poydyot !!!! Xammasiga Iqtisodiy tomondan qarash kerak : Uzbekiston ularga pul ajratdi togrimi ? Shunday ekan endi usha pulni qaytarishi kerak , agar UZB ga qaytmasa unda $ nisini "Konvert" orqali berib yuborsin Ok?
$ ni qaytarsa , "KallaLI" odamni topsa buladi!!!

02-21-2003, 03:03 AM

Prince
Are you from Cernegie Mellon?
Just curious

Prince

02-21-2003, 07:47 AM

Guest not at all!!
I am from ...... .. and Note: If you are umidie , huh please use your nick name!

B94

02-21-2003, 04:40 PM

Prince,

Steelers go!
Pirates go!
Penguins go!

Or go Greyhound.

Bandits from Hell District sell crack on Forbes Avenue. Don't mess with Duquesne.

I don have a nick, is it that much of a sin? If so, call me John Dave Bubba Shelly and climb the tallest (and ugliest) tower in Oakland!

B94

Prince

02-21-2003, 11:16 PM

B94 relax man!!!
I do not care about your real name!!!
BYE

mir

02-23-2003, 06:50 AM

Mr Tank,
Go slow please,

Do you think that they have to be Presidents of Daewoo or Uzmacom or smth right after their return. Thats' a thing buddy! They have to go slowly, step by step, and gain some bloody experience and knowledge. TTZ and Avtobaza may be not the ideal but at least local and industrial places where those dudes can get something and then apply to higher busineses. Plus, they can contribute to those industries with their 'democratic' views. If they've got their Masters and MBAs Im sure they not gonna stick at the same spot for the rest of their lives.
What do you reckon?

Osiris

02-23-2003, 10:29 AM

I want to go home !!!
Someone prepare a big house for me and my children and my wife.
I want a job for me a for my wife. I want a good place to go for my young children.
I want to have a good job. Do does my wife.
I want to dress nicely and have a good living conditions.
I want to drive safely and not care about my home being left un-locked.
I want my government to care and support me if any needs.
I don't want to be charged one day when I want to do something foolish. (note: foolish means something when you get drunk and do un-knowingly, and noto get in jail for it)

If someone can assure me that right now, I can find all this basic needs of living in Uzbekistan, I will put everything aside and go home.

Prince

02-24-2003, 04:42 AM

Osiris!!!!
Hmmm
"If someone can assure me that right now, I can find all this basic needs of living in Uzbekistan, I will put everything aside and go home."
Who have to assure you that?
WHO ME ? , YOUR DAD? YOUR MAM ? OR ANYBODY ELSE? WHO ?
HEY MAN YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT ALL THINGS URSELF , MAY BE we are together.
Are you wainting for "Nice Days In Uzb"? You will wait for ages !!! go ahead!
Sincery

Osiris

02-24-2003, 05:42 AM

Prince, Well, you got me right.
Nobody will provide me the privilege of having those things.

Are you wainting for "Nice Days In Uzb"? You will wait for ages !!! go ahead!

That's why Im not going go back to my homeland.
I know you can start everything from the basic building blocks, but you know what, I don't want to spend the rest of my life to keep up doing that.
I have a nice life here and I am happy.
Of course, most of my friends, relatives, etc, etc are back home, that is the life's ups and down.
Someone is better, someone is not.
So Im not of those people that go home, completely unaware of he/she going yo do with the rest of their life.
Life keeps going, and it can't look back.
I with you luck my friend.

02-24-2003, 10:23 AM

Of course you can build a good life in Uzbekistan! The question is, how much time and effort it will take, how many sleepless nights, and how many times you will be ass-****ed by bureaucrats. You can build a great life in both third world and in a Big Seven, but it's MUCH (and I mean MUCH) easier in the latter. If it's a choice of making my life 10 years shorter because of all the nerves I'll have to waste in Uzbekistan, it's clear to see why I (and some others) chose the U.S. All you have to do to "make it" here is to mind your own business and to have a good plan. In Uzbkestan, to make it, you have to have a good plan, a large extended family with connections in high places, a starting investment (because a bank will never give you one), a close relationship with unofficial mafia and official mafia, and LOTS of vaseline (so your ass don't hurt). I personally feel no need to get ass-****ed for higher ideals.

Prince

02-24-2003, 11:37 PM

Guest
I can not blame you for it!!!
It is your right!!!!!

Prince

02-24-2003, 11:40 PM

Osiris!!!
It is same for you as well!!!
We really need not for your support!!!
Good Luck!!

Osiris

02-25-2003, 12:44 AM

Prince,
We really need not for your support!!!

интересно, почему создал ету тему и про чего ети 5 страниц флейма тогда?
и сам то ты в Лондоне проживаешь, по куда тебе знать про жизнь в Узбекистане?

Prince

02-25-2003, 01:16 AM

Osiris !!!
Vo pervix ya hotel Sprosit POchemu Oni ne vozvrashayutsa...
Potom ya shas ne v Londone Uchilsa v Londone , no shas V tashkente..
Prosto ponimaesh : SPORIT BEZPOLEZNO!!!! Prosto nado znat chto est takaya stranaya kak UZBEKISTAN. gde ti i ya rodilis , a chto esli ya , ti , Guest budem jit v US ili v UKe chto potom ? budem jit dalshe dalshe ? Da chto interesnogo ot etogo ? Nu chego? Ya naprimer jil v Londone , mne tam bilo klassno
podrabatival , jil uchils , naslajdalsa jiznyu !!! no pomoymu tak ne interesno
i vo vtroxit pochemy ya skazal chto ti prav:
"Vse doljni dumat o sebe eto vo pervix , esli u vseh finansovoe polojenie horosho , eto i znachit chto gosudarstvo Bogataya , v horoshem Sostoyani " esli ti hochesh skazat chto Tebe v US/UKe luthsse ili ti kormish svoyu semyu ot etogo ,to
GOOD LUCK!!!!
Ya imeel vvidu UMIDIES , MUST COME BACK!!!

02-25-2003, 08:14 AM

What about those Umidies that DO come back? What are they doing that is changing the course of history for Uzbekistan? As far as I know, they are sitting on their pants as much as their bosses (old apparatchiks), and all the great ideas they brought with themselves from the West, got their wings clipped. Noone cares about what they have to contribute, on the contrary, they resent Umidies for their intellect and education. An Umidie that stays in his/her new country and manages to make something of him/herself, can then help Uzbekistan much more than if they went back to Uzbekistan and spent all of their time trying to prove to everyone "they are not camels". They can make a bunch of money in U.S. and U.K. and then invest that money in new businesses and industries in Uzbekistan, rather than become "chinovniks", of which we have enough already. Blaming Umidies for striving to better life is shortsighted. In the end, isn't that what brought them to UMID in the first place?

Al Smaoud-raket

02-28-2003, 11:54 AM

Salom hammaga!!
hali ham eski hammom eski tosmi?
Qaytgisi kelmasa qaytmasin sang nima, Prince?
qaytip kelgani bilan uni odam urnida korishadimi? choy qoyip kel, manbuni pechatla dep ish boyurishadi. agar jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa patriot bolsang ozing qaytip borip ishlayver, hopmi?! bundan keyin aqillikk qilma

uzb.qizi

02-28-2003, 02:14 PM

Qaytmagan umidchi sotqin, unga Allah insof bersin, lekin uning tanlagan yulini acsept ham qilish kerak,manimcha. Balkim uqishini bitirib olib, bironta Vajniy bupqosa burchakda Vatan degan narsa borligi esga tushib, yordam qivorsaya usbeklarga! :)

trigger-happy

02-28-2003, 02:31 PM

I see so much bitterness in this thread, such a judgemental attitude. The original question was "Why some Umidies didn't come back?". The question was answered by many people, who were promptly told they had no conscience and how dare they use government's money. The truth is, most of those Umidies (or their families) have paid off the money, with interest. It still seemed cheaper than wasting 5 best years of our lives (25-30). So no, we don't owe Uzbekistan any money. This seems to be the main argument by the "Come Back!" camp. Now what do you say??

c n

03-10-2003, 11:27 PM

true. 'avtabaza'da umidchilani urug'i kopaygan, 30 tachasi borekan jonivorlani

in the meantime this topic is an everlasting topic. pure waste of time

rgrds

c n

Free

03-12-2003, 08:13 AM

uzb.qizi, vabshe to agr siz zarubejga chiksaaz umid orkali mi yoki boshka si mi,nikogda by ne vernulsya obratno.
Siz hozir manga yok kaytib kelardim dersiz balki lekin bu hozirgi situatsiyazda buni devotsiz.agar situation o'zgarsa insonning fikirlari ham uzgaradi..
sotqi motkin unaka gaplar bilan fakat uziizi aldaysiz.Sorry for moy takoy otvet!

noodles

03-12-2003, 12:39 PM

this topic is closed!!! :D

Studentlar

03-17-2003, 02:39 AM

I saw two umides, they got their MBAs from UTA(I belive Univesrity of Texas Arlington). One of them works in TTZ, anotherone in Avtabaza!
Ole Ole Ole
MBA rulesss! Davlatimiz kop pul bermasada erkinlikni bersa. Menimcha kupchilik shu davlatni sevardi. Hozir biz vatanni yahshi k'oramiz ammo davlatni emas. Chunki hamma
yoqda nohaqlik, zuravonlik va bu ishlarni kupinch yuqori amaldorlar qilishadi chunki ular javobgarlikdan qurqishmaydi.

Studentlar

03-17-2003, 02:47 AM

Davlatimiz kop pul bermasada erkinlikni bersa. Menimcha kupchilik shu davlatni sevardi. Hozir biz vatanni yahshi k'oramiz ammo davlatni emas. Chunki hamma
yoqda nohaqlik, zuravonlik va bu ishlarni kupinch yuqori amaldorlar qilishadi chunki ular javobgarlikdan qurqishmaydi.

uzb.qizi

03-17-2003, 04:25 AM

Becky, hehe,a man uje anchadan beri nemis yurtidaman. ;) Uzlari umidchi bulsalar kerak a,akasi? Boshqalarni bilmadimu,lekin bizda hali patriotlikda uzgarish bulmadi.

Lekin qaytmagan umidchi baribir sotqin,halqni puli teshib chiqadiya!!!

Asadbek

03-17-2003, 05:11 AM

Lekin qaytmagan umidchi baribir sotqin,halqni puli teshib chiqadiya!!!

:-) molodec, uzbek qizi :-)

Vatan yagonadir, Vatan bittadir!

noodles

03-17-2003, 06:39 AM

<Prince> Max , it is not funny , it's time to go to US
<Prince> hahah , open ur eyes:)

that's it ;) That's why they are not coming back ;) indeed you got that yourslef:)

Prince

03-17-2003, 07:37 AM

Max :D
da ti doljen tuda poyti , pochemu ? Da toka potamuchto u tebya net takogo znanie i obrozavanie , a Umidovtsi oni uje otuchilis u nix uje est znanie (Modern Knowledge) no pritom , tebe tuda nado :) i otuchitsa horoshenko!
A im pora vozvroshatsa !!!!
YOu have to get knowledge over there but here !!!
Good luck :rolleyes:

03-17-2003, 11:48 AM

UZB QIZI!!!

qoshilaman. :D

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bu qizni gapi tog'rimikan dep shubha ham qilip otirmanglar....boshimizadan otgan, albatta TESHIP chiqadi. :(

Lekin man teship chiqsin demoqchi emasman.Chet davlatta qolip ketayotganlar ozini kaypini olylap yurganlar emasku axir....atak omadilani bersin ;)

demokrat

04-10-2003, 11:39 AM

bitsin zolim amaldorlar! O´zbekistonda demokratiya shamoli essin, halqni talab, ko´zga yaxshi ko´rinish uchun "mani pulim, mani bollarim" deb bir hovuch bollani chet elda o´qitayotgan yurgan diktator taxtidan tushsin.

bir qiz

04-10-2003, 12:56 PM

Savollaringizga jabvoblar:
Umidchilarni mutahasisligi buyicha ish berishmaydi.
Chet elda uqib tillarni urganib kelib qishloq hujaligi bilan shug'ullanishadimi? :?: Qizlarga nisbatan esa total diskriminatziya!!!! :!:
Birorta Ministerstvo ishga olmaydi, Uzi hech bir erda joy ham yuq. Tiqilib ketgan tanish bilish bilan kirvoganlar.
Mustaqil ish qilish mumkin emas, mustaqil fikrash mumkin emas aytganini qilishing kerak, chet elliklar bilan aloqani uzishing kerak, fikr yurishingni ham cheklab quyishadi va hokazo...
20$ oylik, necha yillab ota onasiga yordam berolmasdan kelib endi ishlab yordam beraman deb uylashning hojati ham yuq ota onasidan pul surashga tug'ri keladiyu, shuncha yil uqiganingni natijasi shumi bolam, ukanglarni qandoq qilib boqaman demaydimi u ota-ona? :?:
Otasimi, qarindoshimi, mana men seni boqaman davlat ishida ishla kariera qil desa bilmadim, ular kimlarnidir bolalari!!! Yahshi joylarga ishlarga ham ular kirishadi, oyligi kam bulsa ham.
Qizlarga kariera qilishning hojati ham yuq shundoq ham sizni sekretarkalikdan boshqasiga olishmaydi ham, umr buyi qolib ketaverasiz bolalar kutarilsa ham!!! :!:
Hup bundan nima foyda???? :?:
Butun urgangan bilimlaring tillaring esdan chiqadiyu porahurlikni cheklanib fikrlashni urganasan. Qamoqqa borsang undan foydaliroq, boshdan kechirganlaringni kitob qilib yozasan, yuz sum ikki yuz sumga u kitoblardan gonorar kelishi mumkin..
Hush bunga nima deysizlar????? :?:

NGA

04-10-2003, 05:14 PM