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Rustam
10-24-2002, 12:42 AM
Assolom Uzbek qondoshlar,
We, the Uyghur People have always been regarding you as the twin brother of us.Because we believe that we are one people.We are very similar to each other in language (like American-English and Britain-English,there are some pronunciational differences between the two,nevertheless,we can understand each other about 90 percent )culture,tradition,custom ,and so on.So we love to listen :?: to your music ,are very interested in all about yours.Even when there is a international game on TV in which you take part ,we would pay our close attantion to watching the game,if you winned the game,we would be very excited with tears.If,instead,you lost it,we would be miserable. However,much to my surprise,you,the twin brother of us ignore,exclude or discriminate against the Uyghur people on your forum.Why? We are one people at least before Uzbek-khan,or rather,before Qingiz-khan.If you don't believe me,you may ask your father or grandfather what your ethnic name should had been before Uzbek-khan--the Turkishized Mongul emperor of the Mavraunahir region at that time.In my opinion,the name"Uzbek"should not be an ethnic name,but only a name of an emperor.Before then we had been all called Turk (of corse,it contained many ethnic groups,such as Karluk ,Kipqok,Yagma and the Turkishized Persian People called Sogdi) in general,or called Uyghur(the name given by "Oghuz-khan"--the ancestor of all Turkish peole),especially at the time of "Kara-khan Dynasty"which founded by Uyghur-Yagma group.But now that you have been called "Uzbek" since 15th century,there is no necessity talking about that .I mean to ask you to study your whole history,especially the history about "Kara-khan Dynasty","Mahmut kashgari" and before that time. We ,the Uyghur people ,have always been retaining and preserving our original ethnic name "Uyghur"(given by "Oghuz-khan"--the ancestor of all Turkish people)since ancient times .if you don't believe me ,you may turn to your history books. Although we have not get our independance yet,but we have all the time been living with our self-respaction as a human-being .We will never be terrorists.It's too rediculious to associate your twin brother --the Uyghur people with terrorisim. Here is a Ruboyi (a kind of poetry) for you. Aslada biz teng edik tangr oldeda, (All of us should be equal before the Creater) Va-lekin teng bololmadik dabr oldeda. (But we couldn't be equal before the time) Koranglap ketmagin omatlaringdin, (Do not get self-important before the achievement) Oheri teng bularmiz qabr oldeda. (we would be equal before the grave)We are one people regardless of our name. Please stop your discrimination against the Uyghur people,stop your confusing white with black! Does it pay you to blow other's horn on earth?Please don't misunderstand me,I have no political intention! Olloh sizlarge yor bolsin! Hurmat bilen: Rustam

O'zbek bola
10-27-2002, 03:30 AM
Salom Rustam,
I think the reason of the problem you mentioned is that on the governmental level there is a huge pressure on Uzbekistan from China not to propagate Uygur-Uzbek relativeness at all, because as you may know China does not want to have any problems like let's say Turkey has nowadays with Kurds. There is even a special treaty between Uzbekistan and China about some kind of cooperation against terrorism or sth. Since China is a great power and its importance in the region and in the world is going to grow even more, Uzbekistan does not want to have any problems, rather it tries to keep good relations.
Secondly, due to 70 years of ignoring any ethnicity in USSR population seems not to care much. Even Turikish who tried much to construct the image of relative nation to Uzbeks, failed to do so, due to various reasons, so you can understand the difficulty of Uygur case in Uzbekistan,
The above were my views on this problem, YES, PROBLEM...
With all my sincerety to Uygur nation and you Rustam,
O'zbek bola

10-27-2002, 10:37 PM
Solom Uzbek bo'la:
You mean It would pay you to blow other's horn,do you?
Only for a tiny loan??
How shameful,how hatable idea this is?!!
Can't you concern about your long-term benefits??
I know the fact that you are indeed no more wealthy than we are,depending mainly on foreign aid.
However,there is no right to speak without investigation!!
What they have preached is not the case.you had better stop your cunfusing black with white since you know no truth!!
Take care,

Rustam

Rustam
10-27-2002, 10:40 PM
Solom Uzbek bo'la:
You mean it would pay you to blow other's horn,do you?
Only for a tiny loan??
How shameful,how hatable idea this is?!!
Can't you concern about your long-term benefits??
I know the fact that you are indeed no more wealthy than we are,depending mainly on foreign aid.
However,there is no right to speak without investigation!!
What they have preached is not the case.you had better stop your cunfusing black with white since you know no truth!!
Take care,

Rustam

Turkistoniy
11-11-2002, 03:53 AM
Hi Rustam this is yhe third time I am replying your postings.
I see that you are an intelligent person. Do please do not mix up two things, public opnion and governmens policy. I consider myself as Uzbek today and you as an Uygur, but in fact we are the same nation! We are not even tweens! We Are the same nation! We should be more wiser and patient. Believe me the Times will come for us Turks. WE not ottoman Turkish people but We are real Turks. Descandants of East Turkic Khaganat.
We are the same nations! And Chine knows this. Let me tell me one story, once I came to class with my doppi....One chenese guy asked me where i was from. I said Uzbekistan. He said just ok. But then i asked him why he were asking my country))) and only then he said that I were from Shinjian (sorry for spelling). But i asked more questions regarding east Turkestan. He found himself in very ridicilous situation even though he was trying to show that it was ok for him to disscuss the issue with me.
I realized that this guy does not see any big defferenses between East Turkestan and West Turkestan people. Although he was chinese, as an outside person, his opnions about Us were very impertant for me,because us, ourselves can over or underestimate our relations to each other. The chinese guy gave desired answer indeed.
Another proof and cofession from Chinese side was suspension of BCC Uzbek service radio broadcasts in the region. This is an open cofession of chinese that we are the same nation. There was no piont to to suspent it since BCC radoi does not advocate terrorism. So know we can see that the issue in Kashgar is not about "terrorism" as china claims, but leberalization of a whole nation out of colonial regime.
Best regards to you and the people of East Tukestan,