WHY??

[Rustam]

Assolom Uzbek qondoshlar,
We, the Uyghur People have always been regarding you as the twin brother of us.Because we believe that we are one people.We are very similar to each other in language (like American-English and Britain-English,there are some pronunciational differences between the two,nevertheless,we can understand each other about 90 percent )culture,tradition,custom ,and so on.So we love to listen to your music ,are very interested in all about yours.Even when there is a international game on TV in which you take part ,we would pay our close attantion to watching the game,if you winned the game,we would be very excited with tears.If,instead,you lost it,we would be miserable. However,much to my surprise,you,the twin brother of us ignore,exclude or discriminate against the Uyghur people on your forum.Why?
We are one people at least before Uzbek-khan,or rather,before Qingiz-khan.If you don't believe me,you may ask your father or grandfather what your ethnic name should had been before Uzbek-khan--the Turkishized Mongul emperor of the Mavraunahir region at that time.In my opinion,the name"Uzbek"should not be an ethnic name,but only a name of an emperor.Before then we had been all called Turk (of course,it contained many ethnic groups,such as Karluk ,Kipqok,Yagma and the Turkishized Persian People called Sogdi and others) in general,or directly called Uyghur(the name given by "Oghuz-khan"--the ancestor of all Turkish peole),especially at the time of "Kara-khan Dynasty"which founded by Uyghur-Yagma group.But now that you have been called "Uzbek" since 15th century,there is no necessity talking about that .I mean to ask you to study your whole history,especially the history about "Kara-khan Dynasty","Mahmut kashgari" and before that time.
We ,the Uyghur people ,have always been retaining and preserving our original ethnic name "Uyghur"(given by "Oghuz-khan"--the ancestor of all Turkish people)since ancient times .if you don't believe me ,you may turn to your history books.
Although we have not get our independance (live mainly in the PRC),but we have all the time been living with our self-respection as a human-being .We will never be terrorists.It's too rediculious to associate your twin brother --the Uyghur people with terrorisim.
Here is a Ruboyi (a kind of poetry) for you.
Aslada biz teng edik tangr oldeda,
(All of us should be equal before the Creater)
Va-lekin teng bololmadik dabr oldeda.
(But we couldn't be equal before the time)
Koranglap ketmagin omatlaringdin,
(Do not get self-important before the achievement)
Oheri teng bularmiz qabr oldeda.
(we would be equal before the grave)
I insist that We should be one people regardless of our name.
Please stop your discrimination against the Uyghur people,
stop your confusing white with black!
Does it pay you to blow other's horn on earth?
Please don't misunderstand me,I have no political intention!
Olloh sizlarge yor bolsin!
Hurmat bilen: Rustam

[Siege]

Why would you say so, Rustam?

We look the same we speak the same. I’ll tell you more as being Tashkent Uzbek I can hardly understand Khorezm Uzbeks’ language (language, not accent) but can easily understand Uygurs from Urumchi.

Uygurs and Uzbeks are brothers forever. :) :) :)

That’s one of the reasons why I hate that bitch (you know who I’m talking about) for kissing Beijing’s ass for tiny loans.

What did you mean by “Does it pay to blow other’s horn on earth?”

That’s perversion, brother! :D

Take care!

[Rustam]

Solom!my brother,
I am pleased with your hearty words.Thank you!
In fact,I feel quite satisficated with my current stuation in China,having a fine job.
But I am an Uyghur,I wouldn't be able to cope with any discrimination against the Uyghur people.espacially with which from my own brothers.What they have preached (you know whom I am talking about) is not the case.
As to the last sentence written in my argument,I mean "Boshkalarnin dopiga resqga tushsangiz sizga zodi nema poyda?",
Keep in touch with me,my brother!
My best wishs to you!
Hurmat bilan:
Rustam

[Thunderstrike]

Hallo,

Rustam, where did you see uyghurs being discriminated in this forum??? Uyghurs are historical brothers of Uzbeks, both share similar language, common traditions, roots. Personally I know a lot of ethnic uyghurs from Tashkent, and AFAIK they have no problem because of their ethnic backgrounds.

It's not correct to say uzbeks associate uyghurs with terrorists, it's not true. There are a lot of information on history of eastern Turkistan, their freedom movements, particularly about Alikhontora Sag'uniy in uzbek language. Books of Sag'uniy like "Tarihi Muhamadiya" were published in Uzbekistan. Great books "Divanul-lugaat-it Turk" of the Mahmud Qashg'oriy, "Kutadg'u Bilig" of Yusuf Has Hojib are well-known for any uzbek, who is interested in his own history. Historically uyghurs are very close relatives of uzbeks, even more sometimes it's difficult to say if uyghurs and uzbeks are different nations.

Some ethnic dislike exists among nations of the central Asia; I can say that from own experience, that kazahs & kyrgyz have some dislike against uzbeks, what cannot be said about relationships between uyghurs & uzbeks.

It's really good, that internet makes possible to maintain historical and cultural ties regardless distance.

P.S. on historical part of the message: there are some confusions - "sogdians" and "persians" are two differnt nations with distinct languages. Later sogdians were assimilated by karluk turks in Ferghana valley, which now constitute heartland of uzbeks.

You are certainly right about the ethnic name "uzbek"; really first the name "uzbek" applied to confidiration of semi-nomadic moslem turkic+mogolic tribes living in what's called "Dashte Qypchaq" (eastern Europe - Volga river, north Caucasus, Cremia). It's believed, that confidaration beared its name after mongol khan - Uzbek of 14 th century, who made islam a state religion of its empire(which included also moscow). These uzbeks settled up in central Asia only after 16th century. Local population of the region of that time called themselves "turkiy" and regarded "uzbeks" as barbarians - at that time the word "uzbek" meant "catastrophe", "fierce"; just reading Baburnameh one can easily notice it. Soon those "uzbeks" got assimilated among majority local population, accepting langual dialects (karluki, og'uz) and customs-tradions of local people, since they were not many. Ruling dynasties were uzbek, maybe that's why their kingdoms were regarded as "uzbek".

The ethnic name "uzbek" in today's meaning came into common use only after soviets created national republic of Uzbekistan in 1924. This name was probably chosen as a middle alternative to "turkiy" and "sart" (these terms were applied to refer present-day uzbeks before 1924, till now neighbouring nations call uzbeks "sart"), since soviets conducted strong anti-turkic policy in Central Asia and the name "turki" or "Turkistan" would threat communists' rule in the region. One should also not forget the first republic in the region was created in 1918 and called "Turkistan autonomious republic" with its capital in Tashkent. There are more informative messages disscussed under the topic Turkistan in this forum.